I'm so depressed about pretty much everything right now.
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I read it. That's terrible, but even more depressing it how many ridiculous FB posts I have had to see today, cheering on Trump for "making American safer", even after all these real stories about 5 year olds and bfing babies being separated from mothers, and infants needing heart surgery being denied, and grandmothers coming to the US dying because they then couldn't get here. Just...horrible, evil stuff is happening here.
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@Anagram:
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I read that and the article about the baby who needs heart surgery and isnt allowed to come to the U.S. I am so upset about how things are going in our country, and these stories about children just break my heart even more.
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Make America kind again.
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ugh. I just can't.... How is anyone safer? How has this helped anything?
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From the depths of my mama bear heart, I cannot imagine the rage and panic I would feel if my INFANT was taken from my arms, without anyone there to advocate for the baby. My heart breaks for all of these people. I am so ashamed of this country ... "our" president is a garbage person.
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Everything is heartbreaking
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@littlejoy: I know. ALL the news are horrible but the kids ones REALLY ignite like primal rage in me.
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@snowjewelz: Like a 5 year old being handcuffed. Sigh. I donated to the ACLU in the hopes that it would give even the tiniest bit of support.
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@littlejoy: I hope whatever volunteer efforts there are that they put children as priority
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@littlejoy: fortunately the handcuffing picture was a fake, according to Snopes. But of course kids were detained.
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@Mrs. Sketchbook: I never saw an image ... I heard from an interview with the parents that the child was handcuffed. I hope it wasn't true!!
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So I really wanted to share this story and ask how this makes America great again when I saw it a few day back. I am honestly curious to hear people's perspective on why they agree with what he does and how he does it.
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Have all of the Trump supporters left the building? Really this is insane.
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When the dust settles this ban is going to be a burden for all the taxpayers. We are going to pay out the @ss to settle lawsuits.
I would have absolutely lost my sh%t if separated from LO like that. What's happening is bonkers. He f'd up the raid in Yemen killing a child too.
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I don't want to read the article and imagine what this mother has gone through. I don't know what I would do if someone would separate me from my baby, or try to separate me. I really hope that I will never have to face that day. Just thinking about it make me argggg...No words
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@lucy123: I have shared similar stories and the response from Trump supporters on my FB (people I grew up with, family members--I grew up in far west Texas, where something like 85% of voters voted Trump in this last election) is that yes, these things are "making America more safe". They also insist that these incidents are small and "not a big deal". And that it's all fine because now we are safer.
When I ask their thoughts on why KSA, UAE, and Pakistan were not included in the ban, for example--they say maybe they should have been included, but that Trump "must have inside information about specific terrorists coming from those 7 countries to have made that decision".
When I point out that statistically, they are more likely to be shot and killed by a toddler in the USA than by a terrorist (I linked a study saying just that), their response is that I'm being ridiculous. Ridiculous for posting facts, I guess.
At the end of the day, Trump supporters seem deathly afraid of Terrorists, and no amount of fact or statistics or appeals to logic seems to sway that fear.
When you also consider the linked source someone put here on HB yesterday, that said some crazy high number of Trump supporters solely get their news from Fox news, you can see why that might be. Just look at their headlines each day compared to every single other "main stream" news outlet out there. There's a ton of war drum beating over there--constant articles about terrorism, constant articles about christians being targeted, and constant articles about bad things Obama supposedly did and supposed great things Trump is doing now. If that is their only source of news, I don't know how to reach these people.
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@Anagram: I think these people don't see what people in, say, the northeast see. The percentage of immigrants in many red states is lower. They really think that this affects a tiny minority and they don't personally know anyone affected. Things look very different from here. Anyone who's lived in NYC for a long time has a wide web of friends from other countries. It's personal here.
I'd like to know what right someone in Ohio has to wail about what if they're terrorists, when the mayors of NYC and Boston have spoken out against the ban and the sentiment behind it. NYC and Boston. Sites of two major terrorist attacks and still among No. 1 targets. If we're willing to open our doors to refugees fleeing war, it should be our call to make. We're the ones who might face the consequences and choose to be humane anyway.
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I think one of the big issues is really empathy. Liberals tend to have and care more about empathy than conservatives.
Another issue is Dunbar's Number (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number), which basically says that people can only hold ~150 unique people in their social circle and anyone outside of that circle is grouped as an "other." Over time, all "others" kind of just blend together. And the less empathy you have, the less you see "others" as even being people.
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@Mama Bird: that is so true! People that live in places extremely unlikely to face terrorist attacks are the ones supporting all these anti-terrorist "efforts"! How about listening to the folks that actually live in major cities, esp ones that have been attacked?!
@Adira: This def motivates me to make sure I teach my children and model for them empathy and compassion!!
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@snowjewelz: Me too!!
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@Adira: Regarding empathy...I think this is a lot of what it comes down to. Some people only see themselves and their immediate situation, others think more broadly. I am not sure it can be taught though.
My son is extremely empathetic, I can see it already. As an example, there's a girl in his class that only speaks Spanish. He wanted to be able to talk to her, so he figured out that another girl in the class speaks Spanish and he uses her as his translator because as he put it, he's just learning some words in Spanish now. I didn't tell him to go and do this, I didn't model it for him, he did this on his own. Another child might have just said Oh, well, she should learn English, because that's what you do when you live in America.
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@looch: I definitely agree to some extent that some people are born with more empathy than others. I can already see that in my own kids, that Logan seems more empathetic than his brother. But I do think it can be taught, or at least encouraged. I think we can make it clear to our children that being empathetic is a good thing and can encourage it and celebrate our children when we witness them/hear of them doing empathetic things.
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@Adira: I think it can be modeled. I am not so sure it can be taught, but it doesn't mean I will give up on it.
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@looch: @Adira: I feel like there's a lot of research coming out that indicates that nurture affects nature in those first three years. Meaning that whatever nurturing a child gets between 0--3 become imprinted in their neurology and gets stuck there. So when I see someone who is deeply narcissistic I have started to just assume that they came from narcissist parents and, as a result, their narcissism is a defense mechanism that probably has some sort of neurological basis. I mean, by the time someone is 67 (DT), it has got to be in the biology.
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BTW, not trying to imply that those of you who have two or more kids have raised one empath and one narc! I'm sure there are biological variances but I'm personally fascinated with the idea that the nurture/nature divide is sort of two sides of the same coin.
However I have heard that a narc parent can often either produce empaths or other narcs. Because children either try to be just like their parents, or they try to diverge from their parents. So the question I have is, which one is the narc, and which is the empath in the Ivanka, Eric, Barron triad? Honestly Barron seems like the empath at this point...!
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@Mrs. Sketchbook: I've actually heard that before about 0-3 being the MOST IMPORTANT time to really sculpt your child's personality! Xander's almost 4 and he doesn't seem as inherently empathetic as Logan does, but he's definitely not a narcissist, so I feel pretty good about it.
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