Curious what your thoughts are about this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vicki-hoefle/why-funny-kid-shaming-isn_b_5696248.html
Curious what your thoughts are about this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/vicki-hoefle/why-funny-kid-shaming-isn_b_5696248.html
pomegranate / 3895 posts
Do I agree in theory? Yes. I think every parent would agree with the basic premise of this article.
What I don't agree with is that this article is pretty much turning around and parent shaming. I've never posted this kind of stuff (he's only 14 mos), but I do text my husband (or friends) funny quips about my son doing ridiculous stuff. Parenting is tough, dude! Sometimes I have to make a funny joke about it or else I would lose my freaking mind. In the article's example about the mom who posted about the kid that threw up in the new car seat, I think it's far better for the parent to snap a picture and write some humorous post than to blow up on the kid.
I think people need to relax a little.
coconut / 8472 posts
I think there is plenty of inappropriate kid shaming. I recently read an article where a young girl actually killed herself over it. But the examples in the article linked are of VERY little kids who are doing pretty innocent things. Those kids will never know or care that their parents made a joke of them throwing up in their carseat.
I follow "asshole parents" on Instagram and I guess it's a form of kid shaming. But it's also a kind of parent solidarity - I'm not the only one who's crazy toddler is crying because you gave them exactly what they asked for. The kids on that tend to be quite young and oblivious to it as well. If the content was about teens and pre-teens and the kids were on facebook and tagged or searchable, that I would not agree with.
pineapple / 12802 posts
@LBee: You said it so well. I have to wonder about a parent who gets legitimately mad about their kid throwing up or eating dog food.
grapefruit / 4321 posts
I think this is one of those things written by someone who wants to feel high and mighty about what an amazing parent they are.
I will say though, I actually agree on the point of actively blogging about your children. It's not something I would ever do because I just don't feel like it's my right to share with the world every little detail of my kid's childhood.
But if my kid is going to be psychologically damaged by the fact that I made a facebook post joking about how she puked all over her car seat once when she was a baby, then there is probably a larger issue at play.
pineapple / 12793 posts
I agree with the article. Those types of posts always make me feel bad for the kid getting made fun of by the people that they are supposed to always trust and respect. I get that toddler behavior can be awful and irrational, but making fun of them for being toddlers just seems cruel. They can't help being little weirdos. A joke between parents is one thing, but blasting it on the internet has future implications for the kid.
I'm also uncomfortable with those Jimmy Kimmel Halloween and Christmas pranks.
pomelo / 5660 posts
Seems a little over the top. I don't think people are trying to shame their kids. Toddlers are funny.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
I don't love the tone of the article (it makes parents who do this seem like insensitive a-holes and I don't think that's the case 99% of the time) but I don't find that kind of stuff funny. It makes me cringe, in fact, when I think about that kid and if they were old enough to see and understand that they're being made fun of. I tend to come from a place of "how would I feel if it were me" with doing anything with my kid, and there are ways to be funny without making fun of them.
pomelo / 5660 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: my parents love telling embarrassing stories of my brother and I when we were toddlers. I think they are funny. Like how I couldn't stand being wet and would take off my diaper. And how my brother put our dog in the toilet to "wash him."
persimmon / 1328 posts
I don't feel as strongly about it as this article, but it does make me uncomfortable. I think it's very different to sharing a private joke with your husband or a friend offline.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@oliviaoblivia: Totally with you on Jimmy Kimmel. I don't understand how it's funny to intentionally make your kids cry.
pineapple / 12802 posts
@BandDmommy: Totally. My parents loved to tell everyone a story about how when I was first potty trained I looked into the toilet and said "Look mom! Fishies!" It's totally embarrassing and absolutely hilarious.
I sure hope my kids can have a decent sense of humour...
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@BandDmommy: My mom tells all sorts of stories about me and it is funny. But what the article is describing is different. Putting a sign on your kid for doing something as though it's a mug shot and putting it on the internet is an entirely different thing than telling a funny story in a close group of friends or family.
pineapple / 12802 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: Taking a pic and saving it for their wedding? I would do it if it were the perfect opportunity.
Blogging/youtubing about it seems totally extreme, but photos (even on facebook) don't bother me at all.
pomelo / 5660 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: maybe the real issue is oversharing in general? Maybe people don't realize how truly public the Internet is.
pomegranate / 3895 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: My parents tell embarrassing stories about me all the time. Several were told at my rehearsal dinner. I kind of view it as if you can't deal with some basic good natured teasing, you are in for a TOUGH ride. The examples given, in my opinion, were very tame and were basic toddler antics. It's not making fun of them for not being able to do something (i.e. my toddler can't ride a bike, he's an idiot, here's a picture of him laying on the ground, injured beside it) or a lasting characteristic -- I don't know many adults who still eat dog food.
With that said, I think you are spot on when you say that it's the difference in the world we live in concerning the medium in which things are being shared. My parents couldn't share videos of my antics to the world.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@.twist.: Would you do it if your kid told you they would rather you didn't? IE, if they found the story of them throwing up in their new car seat not funny, would you still share it with their wedding guests?
The point is that yes, there are plenty of things about kids that are hilarious. But there's a way to approach it without making it as though they're being shamed. What the article describes is the latter, and I find that uncomfortable. Never mind that it's being made public AND without their permission.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@BandDmommy: I don't think this is oversharing. I think it's the approach. You can make a story funny, and you can make it as though the kid should be ashamed. To me, those are different things.
pomelo / 5660 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: I have pics of my kid in underwear and cowboy boots. I think it's cute and would share it in a slideshow at a rehearsal dinner. Same as a kid wearing a super hero cape and other silly stuff.
pomegranate / 3845 posts
I think the author has a valid point, but takes it a little too far in her examples. The car seat thing is funny, I don't think I'd call it "shaming", but I do think child shaming happens and has always happened, but like a lot of things, is so grossly different nowadays because of social media. I have all kinds of goofy, embarrassing pictures from my childhood, but they're stashed away in a dusty box in the attic, not plastered on the Internet.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@LBee: As I mentioned in other replies, I think funny stories and teasing are one thing. But I've seen plenty of things online where it is outright shaming and I think that crosses the line. And different kids have different levels of sensitivity. Not everyone wants to have their throw up story shared with the universe, even as an adult. I believe in respecting that choice.
pomelo / 5660 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: we will agree to disagree. I personally don't see the big deal.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@BandDmommy: My point is that you are getting to make that choice on behalf of your kid. When they aren't old enough to know different, maybe it's no harm done, but if the underwear and cowboy boots pic upsets them or they don't want it in a slide show for whatever reason, do they get to have a say in the matter? I assume you'd respect their feelings, and with the internet, we're leaving that kind of imprint potentially forever without giving them the choice to share it or not.
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
I think that my big issue with it is the ones taken mid meltdown. If someone I loved took my picture while I was upset and laughed about it because they thought it was a dumb reason to cry it would really undermine my trust in them. And even if the reasons seem dumb to the adult, they are very real to the child.
That and the teenage ridicule and shaming to embarrass them as punishment...this is something I grew up with and it completely destroyed my relationship with my mom.
pineapple / 12802 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: Well, while I don't care if other people have done it, I don't find throw up funny at all, so I wouldn't make a funny post about it to begin with.
I think yea, if he really hated a particular story I would not do it. It's a bridge I'm going to cross when I get there, but I do hope that I can teach my kid to be able to laugh at himself over silly things like eating dog food.
nectarine / 2115 posts
@oliviaoblivia: I agree with you. Things like this make me uncomfortable and I feel bad for the kids!
pomelo / 5660 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: yes, if he hated it I would not but I would hope to teach my kids to laugh at themselves and not take life so seriously.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@Mrs. Lion: Completely agree. I think people forget that kids have feelings too. There are so many occasions when I am cracking up laughing at something ridiculous that's upsetting my kid but I try my hardest to hide that because to her those are very real feelings and she's allowed that.
wonderful grape / 20453 posts
I'm totally a "reasons my toddler is crying" mom sometimes. I add a funny caption because that's just how I am. White cheese instead of yellow cheese...pizza for dinner...I'm basically a terrible mother and I've come to accept that.
pomelo / 5660 posts
@blackbird: Me too, apparently. I just think my toddler is funny, and he cracks me up. I don't post crying pics but I post silly pics of him.
pineapple / 12053 posts
i feel uncomfortable with many posts of this kind: pointing out how a kid has done something stupid/dumb and sharing with the world (literally for a lot of the posts i've seen with viral stuff). i don't mind a pic to send to a SO or friends to say, oh man, what has this kid gotten his/herself into, but i'm always kinda weirded out when i see ones of kids crying for being a kid or on the toilet, etc.
even in real life, i have a mom friend who can sometimes take encouraging her kindergartener to "not be a baby" too far. there have been a couple times where i felt uncomfortable because she was pushing him to try something he really didn't want to, to the point of him crying and then shaming him by saying, stop being a baby over and over.... to me, it can feel like that over the internet with posts like that.
grapefruit / 4291 posts
I tend to agree with the article and think it begs the question would you do the same thing to your spouse / friends / subordinates at work, etc?
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
Spot on @Mrs. Carrot: with the mug shot comparison.
I remember my dad shared a story that he just thought was so cute with a friend. When I told him mid-story I didn't like it and was embarrassed he told me I'm too young to be embarrassed and went on telling the story. That was devestating.
I'm not a fan of teasing "good natured" or not with kids or adults. My bro at 2 years old found himself upside down in a cooler chest. There's a pic somewhere. Some would say posting that pic on FB would be cute. A pic on FB with him out of the cooler just standing and a sign tied around him stating "today I fell into the cooler" just seems more cruel.
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