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Oct 12 babies - Sleep

  1. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @LuLu Mom: Hey at least she put herself back to sleep!

    @hellobeeboston: Yeah, maybe it's a 6 month growth spurt or something. You are doing better than me! AJ is still in our room. I feel like we should transition him soon, but we're scared he's going to sleep even worse than he is now. He hasn't ever slept any part of the night in his room. But maybe we should do like you and put him in there for his first stretch of sleep.

  2. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @mrskc: yeah, I've been really worried about it and not wanting to do it actually - but DH sort of insisted, it really will be better. as a result of him being next to me & me straining to see him I really messed up my neck & shoulder...we have a bed in his room so it's been easy for me to sleep in there with him when he's in the crib.

    and honestly - when his sleep was bad, was when I started transitioning. I figured, it can only get better right? might as well start now.... it's still going SUPER slow - ie, he only made it 3 hours in the crib last night and I put him in the RnP (in his room alone though) - but he will go longer as the week goes on and i'm hoping eventually he'll be used to it.

    Yeah, I think going slowly is good. I keep putting him back in his comfort zone to make sure he gets enough sleep, but as he gets used to his new situation he will go longer & longer!

    OH - he started sleeping on his side in the crib which has been super helpful for him!! He likes that position and can get himself to calm down & fall back asleep if he wakes up.

    (sorry, that was kinda all over the place - writing quick as I have to run to a meeting)

  3. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @sorrycharlie: we actually just ended up giving him gripe water before we put him to bed, and that seemed to do the trick. He woke up at 11:30 instead of 9:30, but didn't seem to be in pain--just wanted to eat! I feel you on the paci issue--now that LO isn't swaddled he constantly takes the paci out of his mouth and then tries to put it back in but can't. so we have to do it for him! Silly babies.

    @hellobeeboston: glad that transition is going well!! Sounds like he's doing pretty well at night!

  4. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @mrskc: sounds like we are on a similar page...L's naps have improved a lot--he goes down really easily now with our routine, and has taken several longer naps;. but night time he sounds like AJ--up every 3 hours or so, and seems genuinely hungry at least some of those times. He also seems to eat less during the day, so the reverse cycling thing makes sense to me! It's frustrating because I don't know how to get him to eat more during the day--if he doesn't want it, he just won't eat!

  5. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hellobeeboston: That's a good point. Sleep isn't great right now, so now is good as time as any to transition him to his crib. Is it a little selfish of me to want to keep him in my room in hopes it keeps AF away longer? lol

    @hilsy85: I'm glad his naps have improved! I'm really starting to think he's eating/waking more at night to make up for the calories he's not taking in during the day. These silly babies. Don't they know their mamas need sleep?

  6. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    Of course, now LO won't go down for his first nap of the day (usually his most reliable). I'm just not going to ever comment on anything that's positive and related to sleep...I always jinx myself!

    He was also up 3x last night to nurse....so tired today!!

  7. Beebug

    pomegranate / 3917 posts

    @hellobeeboston: C sleeps on her side in her crib, too! Well....now on her belly, but as soon as we zipped up her sleep sack she rolled over to her side and out she went!

    @mrskc: So lucky on no AF still!! Mine have finally straightened out, I think.....anything is better than what it was!

    @hilsy85: As I post something positive about C's sleep, I am now debating, ha!

    No, here I go.....

    C went to bed at 7:30 and I did not hear from her until 5:57 am!!! OMG!!!! I even dared to feed her, and put her back down, she slept til 8!!!!

    Loving this.......so, so lucky, and sooooo grateful. Last night she slept with her head on her hands on her belly in one corner of her crib, so cute.

  8. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @Beebug: Awesome night!!! Hopefully she stays on that path -- I think as soon as J realizes he can flip onto his belly he will love it & sleep much better, he's not quite there....

    @hilsy85: oh no! yeah, any time I write anything about sleep it changes so I really shouldn't ever say anything!

  9. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hilsy85: Oh man I feel you. A nursed 3 times last night too!

    @Beebug: Oh my gosh, that's so awesome! I'm so jealous!

    So he slept all night in his crib last night. DH is on spring break right now, so we though we might as well try him out in there. Nothing different than when he was in the pack n play all night. Still woke up every 3 hours. Fed him each time. He keeps wanting to get up for the day at 4 am. DH struggled with him from 4-5 am to get him back to sleep. He slept until 6 am then just laid awake in his crib, then I finally fed him around 6:40 am. I don't know what's going on. This kid used to go down at 7 pm and sleep at least until 3 am. Heck right now i'd love it if he could make it to 2 am with out waking. He seems to want to nurse again between 7 pm-2 am. Maybe it's a growth spurt? Maybe try putting him to bed at 8 pm instead of 7 pm?

    What time do your LO's go to bed at night?

  10. sorrycharlie

    hostess / watermelon / 14932 posts

    @mrskc: this is not what you want to hear, but moving Olivia into her crib did nothing here either.. she still wakes every 3 hours or so. she goes to bed usually around 6:30, but lately it has been earlier because she's been refusing her afternoon nap.

  11. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @mrskc: same here! We used to get a stretch from 7 to 3/4...now he's up between 1130 and 1230 wanting to eat. He goes to bed between 630 and 7...I don't think we could push that back much as he seems pretty tired by then but maybe it would work for you! And that's great that your dh helps out so much at night!!

  12. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    And oh my god, I am trying to put Lo down for a nap and he keeps taking the paci out if his mouth and blowing raspberries at me. It is very cute but very annoying!!! Go to sleep child!!

  13. Beebug

    pomegranate / 3917 posts

    @hilsy85: shouldn't be laughing, but lol about blowing raspberries!!! I say in my head when she's crying and I know she should be sleeping "go to sleep baby", if only it were that easy all the time

  14. LuLu Mom

    GOLD / wonderful olive / 19030 posts

    @mrskc: E usually goes to bed between 7:30-8, last night she was a party animal and it was 8:30. I usually let her fall asleep on me (I know bad mom) and I jsut put a blanket by her face. Well last night she kept pulling it down and thought we were playing peekapoo, she was being silly and fighting sleep so we had to put her down (it was hard since she was so cute.) She was asleep before I was out of the room.

  15. immabeetoo

    honeydew / 7687 posts

    @hilsy85: @mrskc lurking nov mama, just wanted to say we were having the exact same issue. I started dream feeding at ten and its held him over until 2 or 3 and been a sleep saver!

  16. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @scg00387: do you use a bottle or do you nurse? LO won't really take a bottle and I feel like picking him up to nurse will wake him too much...

  17. sorrycharlie

    hostess / watermelon / 14932 posts

    @hilsy85: @scg00387: I'm on the older end here (6 months today) but wondering if a dream feed would work..I feed her, put her down, and she's up 2-3 hours later. I played with the idea of a dream feed but she won't take a bottle either - and not sure when to time it?

  18. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hilsy85: LOL at the raspberries things!

    @Beebug: Someone posted a video of Samuel L Jackson narrating the Go The F*CK to Sleep book. Now all I hear in my head when I want LO to sleep is Samuel L Jackson's voice saying "Go the F*ck to sleep!" LOL

    @scg00387: I was wondering if you nurse as well. The dream feed thing sounds nice, but not sure how well it would work. I guess it doesn't hurt to try it!

  19. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    Aaaand I just used DH's technique to get him to nap and he was out within minutes! He took a 2 hour nap this morning so here hoping to another 2 hour nap this afternoon!

  20. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @mrskc: ahh jealous! Lo was fighting naps so bad today--I had to nurse him to sleep twice Waaahh

  21. sorrycharlie

    hostess / watermelon / 14932 posts

    @mrskc: hahah I played that video for DH the other night - he didn't find it as funny as I did, cause I guess he and his brothers knew better than to leave their bed at night...but I always wanted a snack, a drink, one more pee, etc!

  22. Kemma

    grapefruit / 4291 posts

    @hilsy85: LO has been fighting naps for almost a week and I'm just so tired of all the yelling and the tears that now accompany sleep. I know Miss A can self soothe and put herself to sleep, I'm just not sure why she's stopped doing it!

  23. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Kemma: I hear ya I had to leave the room and take a deep breath this afternoon!

  24. immabeetoo

    honeydew / 7687 posts

    @mrskc: @hilsy85: I pump & DH feeds it to him in a bottle. He takes a bottle fine, albeit begrudgingly, while awake - maybe your bottle hating LOs wouldn't fight it if they're asleep??

    @sorrycharlie he goes down somewhere between 7 & 8 and we've done it around 10 each time

  25. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @Kemma: @hilsy85: sorry you ladies are dealing with the crap naps. I've been there.

    Dude my DH nap trained our baby this week. I love him. He somehow discovered just holding his arm down helps him transition to the next sleep cycle. gosh I hope this sticks from now on.

    At the beginning of the week he was going in every 30 min to help him. Today he only went in once for his morning nap and he napped 2.5 hours. This afternoon he napped 2.5 hours and I went in once. Put the paci back in his mouth and held his arm down and he went right back to sleep. I hope I'm not jinxing myself by writing this! We'll see how next week goes when the nanny is back. Fingers crossed this keeps up!

  26. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @scg00387: he'll take a bottle. But I hate pumping. I already have to pump at work and I don't want to do it at home too. I think I'll give it a try tonight with nursing him.

  27. immabeetoo

    honeydew / 7687 posts

    @mrskc: I can't blame you! I stay at home so pumping once a day isn't a big deal, but it is definitely not fun. I hope nursing goes well - I would rather do that but I can't get him in and out of his crib very effectively without waking him anyways (I'm short and he is long/heavy!)

  28. Kemma

    grapefruit / 4291 posts

    So apparently we're in a wonder week which explains all the fussiness and bad day sleep we've been having! Thankfully we're still only having one night wake up but Miss A only had two short naps today so was on the cranky side of life towards the end of it.

    @scg00387: @mrskc: I've never tried a dream feed with A but the other night she woke up at 2130 due to our dog barking and even though I fed her back to sleep she still woke up at 0330 for a feed...

  29. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    He skipped his 2 am feed last night and I was able to get 5 straight hours of sleep! And 5 hours is now officially his record for sleeping in his crib.

  30. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @scg00387: hmm maybe...I'm afraid that it might wake him up more though! But I guess it can't hurt to try one night. Although TBH, he's been waking himself up at the time when I would do a dream feed anyway (around 9:30/10)!

    @Kemma: which week is the one A is in? Wonder if it's the same for us...

    @mrskc: that's great! Go AJ!

    Naps are going MUCH better today...he slept for 1hr15 minutes earlier today and went down more easily for all of them. Last night was also not terrible...he was up at 9:45/10, I nursed him, and then I think he slept til 4 (although it's possible he was up before that and I just don't remember nursing him, lol). Up for the day at 645. I know tonight will be a bad one though...

  31. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hilsy85: Glad he's napping better for you today! Your night sounds exactly like ours! He woke at 10:30, I fed him then slept until 4 am then up for the day at 7:30.

  32. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    Has anyone introduced a lovey? LO was REALLY fighting his nap this morning and kept rubbing his eyes, which pulled the paci out of his mouth. I put an A&A blanket over him, since sometimes he likes to rub them on his face, and he fell asleep two minutes later! I think it might have been a coincidence, but I figure it can't hurt to try a lovey--maybe it'll replace the paci. We have an angel dear lovey that was a gift, but I also like the A&A security blankets (they're super thin and light)...

    Also, my MIL has some sort of magic touch with LO. Whenever she babysits at night, he wakes up as usual at 9:30/10pm, but she's able to get him to go back to sleep without feeding him! makes me think that when I go in there, he smells the milk and wants it (or maybe I just give up too easily?). Dh has tried to soothe him, but I hate hearing him cry so I usually just go in and take over. I also have more patience than DH when it's late and we're tired...but I'm afraid that now I really am just feeding him when he doesn't need it, and it'll become habit! My MIL seems to think that he has bad gas at night, which I can';t figure out....why would his gas be so bad at night, but not during the rest of the day?

  33. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    Also, Lo is currently still asleep at almost 2 hours!!! Maybe that blanket was the magic trick...? I am going to have to wake him up soon!! (we're meeting friends for lunch).

  34. sorrycharlie

    hostess / watermelon / 14932 posts

    @hilsy85: I also read that gas is worse at night - no real reason, I guess it just is? we have a similar issue here sometimes! and I noticed ever since I let Olivia sleep with a couple A+A (full size) blankets she goes down easier. I actually posted about it last night (the thread about when did you let your LO have a blanket). I seem to be in the minority letting her have them so 'young' but it works!!

  35. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @sorrycharlie: Weird (and annoying!) about the gas...I wonder if it could be related to solids? But I didn't think avocado and oatmeal and sweet potato were gas causing foods...

    I gave him a blanket to sleep with tonight, we'll see how it goes!

  36. Kemma

    grapefruit / 4291 posts

    @sorrycharlie: I think it's something to do with the accumulation of gas during the day, Miss A does some great burps when she's lying on her tummy during nudey time

    That beautiful wee babe of mine is proving to be challenging at the moment, she's decided daytime naps are for chumps and has started throwing complete tantrums whenever I lie her down in her cot. She's been getting progressively worse for the last week and I'm dreading putting her down during the day.

    So far I've tried back patting, reading to her (works occasionally), singing to her, rubbing her feet, cheek, forehead etc. I'm trying not to get in the habit of nursing to sleep but even that's not foolproof anymore... I tried just leaving her to cry but it just makes me feel shitty and then we're both crying any suggestions or miracle cures for us?!

  37. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Kemma: I'm sorry to hear A is being tough! I can only tell you what works for us (and even this doens't always work). I started a nap routine--sleep sack, white noise, rock in his glider while singing twinkle twinkle, and then I rock him until he's drowsy/almost asleep. I put him in his crib and then sit in the room in his glider until he's asleep. If he cries, i'll replace his paci and pat him on the tummy, but I really try not to pick him up. But sometimes I have to and then once he calms down i'll put him back down. Shushing in his ear helps sometimes. And as I said above, today I gave him a blanket and it seemed to help!

  38. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @hilsy85: did you try the lovey or blanket again? did it work? that is a really good idea actually! Dh, and my MIL and mom have also had good luck getting LO back down to sleep & sometimes not me - i think when he sees/smells me he just wants to eat - so a lot of times if LO wakes up too early, I have my husband go in there to soothe.

    @Kemma: seems like you're doing all the right things - maybe it's just a phase? is LO teething? we do NPR haha - that seriously helps... or maybe LO can drop a nap? We're down to just 2 naps a day. 3 if one of them is too short.

    @sorrycharlie: LO used to have his A+A blanket when he slept in the RnP - but now that he's in the crib I didn't want him to have it - but maybe I should bring it back --- I definitely think it was a comfort to him - i just worry he'll wrap it around his head or something, ha.

    OK - QUESTION for you all.
    What do you do when LO moves all over the place in the crib & ends up smooshed against the side, and their head hitting the bars, etc etc??? He keeps waking himself up/getting mad in super weird positions in the crib.

    I should post this to everyone actually -- but what do you do? I now see why people have bumpers, but still think they're not safe.

  39. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    Oh - also... LO was sleeping on his side but has started sleeping on his belly more. scary! and exciting... the only issue is he sometimes can't get himself back onto his back or side after getting onto his belly so he gets mad & wakes up.

  40. Beebug

    pomegranate / 3917 posts

    @hellobeeboston: C always (well 95% of the time) sleeps on her belly now, and sleeps so well, it's awesome!!! She only just got herself back onto her back for the first time when I got her this morning!

    She was in her sleep sack too, which is pretty interesting seeing as she has never done it with her legs freed!

    As for head banging against crib, C has started to do this a lot more, we are trying to let her figure it out and she usually settles herself back down no problem and then we adjust her back to the middle of the crib once she's "out" and doesn't notice us moving her.

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