https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Thu, 30 Apr 2026 13:31:49 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2583025 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 09:23:36 +0000 littlebug 2583025@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I read a comment on facebook tht really struck a chord with me. Someone said something along the lines of "All lives WILL matter once the country wakes up and realizes that Black lives DO matter NOW." Black lives have been treated as expendable for too long by too many people. The fact that so many people just don't understand or see that is incomprehensible to me. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582924 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 05:41:12 +0000 catomd00 2582924@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: exactly - in this country, if you are black, yoire damned if you don't and damned if you do. Make no mistake, they weren't perceived as threatening because they simply had a gun, they were perceived as threatening because they were black. Plain and simple. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582919 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 04:59:34 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2582919@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Dallas is just awful. A sniper- my goodness that is some scary shit. There's just too much death. </p> <p>Targeting and killing police doesn't help this situation. We can't have cops (more) scared to respond and do their jobs. We certainly don't need to add to the list of shooting victims and leave holes in families- police or not. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582918 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 03:46:34 +0000 Maysprout 2582918@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: in a lot of the cases victims have not been aggressive or criminals.<br /> But Dallas is ridiculously tragic, I don't even really understand what's happening there. How did what sounds like trained snipers get access to business roofs to cause such horrible tragedies </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582916 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 03:26:20 +0000 lamariniere 2582916@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>What in the hell is going on in Texas? Snipers firing at cops? It sounds like some cops and robbers movie, only it's real. :crying: </p> <p><a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36742835" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36742835</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582894 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 23:15:12 +0000 agold 2582894@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: I'm definitely not jumping to conclusions as to guilt or innocence. Except with respect to what what we do know - someone called the police regarding the guy in front of the store doing something menacing with a gun and the guy in the car had a broken tail light. I don't know anything else because I didn't see a video showing the first part of the car stop and I wasn't part of the scuffle in front of the store. I definitely know there is tribalism amongst the police force. It's a scary job and we do all look out for each other's families. But I'm so glad that all of the police families I know consist of great cops, all diverse amongst themselves, who have no desire to cause any injury to anyone and just want to protect their communities. There is, however, a strong desire now, because of the harsh liberal media scrutiny, to stop proactive policing. That would be a sad thing for many communities. It's hard to even want to respond to calls when you know you can be sued for how you respond. . Regarding your comparison to the Catholic Church. That was a sick massive cover up with innocent children being the victims. With police shootings, there is almost always in all cases I can think of a person committing a criminal act; and then a subsequent confrontation with police officers. Of course a criminal doesn't deserve to die, but if he causes a cop to fear for his life, then he is creating that sad situation for himself. So totally different scenarios in my mind. Children being molested versus criminals being shot by police. I think that police need to have better training so they aren't so quick on the trigger. But any time any one has a gun and isn't complying with an officers demands then it's tough to fault an officer who ends up in fear for his own or the public's safety. It's sad that society is now encouraging people to be afraid of police and to question police and in general not comply. I think it would be better to be thrown into jail for a night even if wrongfully so and then pursue a civil rights lawsuit immediately after. There are plenty of attorneys waiting to sue cops and police departments so no problem doing so. As for the two men at issue, I don't have any conclusions about what happened. But the media automatically concludes that these men were choir boys targeted by white cops who hate black people. I haven't seen anything that would lead anyone to that particular assumption. It's so sad all around. So sad for the men who were killed. So sad for the cops who know have to deal with killing someone and all that comes with that. I highly doubt either of these cops went about celebrating their kill. It's horrible. I always pray that my husband stays safe and that he doesn't have to shoot anyone. What a horrible thing all around to have to deal with. When my husband and I watched those videos on the news, all we thought was just that it's a horrible situation. We can't and didn't assume anything about either side. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582888 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 22:26:41 +0000 BSB 2582888@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I'm so saddened by these past two shootings (and the others we have seen). It upsets me even more that some of my friends continue to say 'all lives matter' or some think that the media is unfairly bringing light to these situations (conspiracy theories?) . I'm in utter shock that people refuse to see that black lives are being treated very unfairly. :crying: </p> <p>I'm clearly not black but my heart hurts for my black friends. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582784 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 19:15:17 +0000 Maysprout 2582784@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: I think police officer tribalism is a big part of the problem. It's a unique field, I wouldn't want to have to confront mentally I'll and possibly armed people on a regular basis. But at the same time I can't say that it's normal to just jump to conclusion of innocence either just bc youre in the same field - not saying you have, just a lot of police officers and their families that's the outlook I get. </p> <p>I don't think everyone accused of making up data is wrongly accused and Dh doesn't think all malpractice cases are BS, it's just not logical.<br /> I feel like what's going on with police officers now it's the same sort of denial that happens in any sort of blind tribalism. For example the Catholic Church, a small minority of priests were child abusers but that crap went on for decades pretty much sanctioned by the church as abuse was denied, covered up or priests were just shuffled to a different congregation to abuse elsewhere. It took external pressure to change but really it wasn't until the church really got on board has there been real change - it takes responsibility from within the tribe to effect change. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582756 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 18:18:19 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2582756@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Stuff like this breaks my heart and honest to God frightens me. Those men can't get their lives back and that 4 year old will have to live with that horrific memory of the day her dad was shot just inches away from her in a car.</p> <p>Last night I prayed my black son doesn't die violently...or at the hands of the police. That may sound melodramatic, but my goodness this world of ours is so crazy. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582737 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:50:33 +0000 periwinklebee 2582737@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I am so sad, for the families and for everyone who is affected in one way or another by incidents like these. :heart: :heart: :heart: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582732 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:39:13 +0000 MoonMoon 2582732@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I can't stop crying after hearing Diamond and Philando's 4 year-old daughter saying "I'm here with you" to her mommy. Why should a 4 year old have to witness that? Why should anyone? I feel so so so powerless. So powerless. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582713 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:07:46 +0000 agold 2582713@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: I can totally compare apples to apples. But I haven't seen the full video of that car stop at issue. I don't know what happened before. I have seen one picture of that guy with two kids pointing guns at the camera. If it was a white guy in that same picture, I would be making the same presumption that the guy did something to make the officer fear for his safety. But either way, its so sad and awful. Maybe the officer wasn't well trained and was scared too easily. Maybe he hated black people and shot that guy for no reason. Maybe the guy who was shot was a piece of shit who did something to cause the officer to reasonably fear for his safety. I don't know. I haven't seen what happened. Sucks all around either way. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582710 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 17:04:06 +0000 agold 2582710@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@hilsy85: Sorry. I will say again that my comment doesn't apply to the two men at issue in the news currently. It was just a general response to a general comment from a poster above. I can't think of any officer that I know who would think that just being black is suspicious enough. And I don't know much about the two men at issue in the news to presume one way or another as to whether or not they did anything to cause the officers at issue to fear for their lives. I've seen one picture of the man who was shot in the car - its a picture of him standing with two children who are pointing guns at the camera. Maybe its a fake picture. I don't know but its the only one I've seen. I totally understand that you will assume they were perfectly respectable citizens at the time of the incident doing nothing to cause the officers to fear for their safety. I am obviously biased in favor of police and choose to assume that both of those men did do something to cause the officers to fear for their safety and I pray that's the case because I hate to think that an officer would shoot and kill a man for no good reason at all. Either way, its sad and tragic all around and I hope that officers can receive better training and that every one involved will do nothing to cause an officer to fear for his safety. I'm sure all of the facts surrounding these incidents will come out one way or another whether it be on CNN or Fox News. </p> <p>@lilyann: That sucks to live in an area where you feel racial profiling. However, I think that racial profiling exists everywhere. But probably its worse in the South, but I also think their training sucks. I do know of reasons to profile each different race and find each race suspicious for one reason or another. I not even going going to go into them. But like I said before, my husband just went to training on racial profiling. I wonder if departments across the country have such mandatory continuous training classes. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582701 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 16:54:25 +0000 MrsSCB 2582701@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Miss Ariel: And yet both incidents ended the same way. So it seems no matter what these men did, it wouldn't have been enough to save them. Simply possessing a gun somehow made them threatening, even though so many in this country claim gun ownership to be a fundamental right for all citizens. </p> <p>@agold: I think, to be fair, you have to compare apples to apples. Take Castile, for example. I do absolutely believe that if a white man was stopped for having a broken light, and he told the officer he was getting his license and registration, just as the officer asked, and also that he had a gun that he was legally permitted to own in his car, he would not be shot by the officer. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582682 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 16:33:42 +0000 Miss Ariel 2582682@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: you're right you would have no way of knowing if the gun was legal or not until after the fact. </p> <p>But if you have an illegal gun on you I can't imagine you tell police, which is what Philadro did do and Alton didn't from what I've read.. Although police had been called to Alton because of being threatened with a gun so they already suspected one was there. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582667 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 16:18:29 +0000 Mrsbells 2582667@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@lawbee11: These stories just hurt my heart now. I lived in Europe for many years and things like this just didnt happen. The number of people killed by cops in this country is a joke and all my family and friends in europe think its insane. The worst thing is that it just repeats itself and more often than not the "good cops" look the other way or corroborate the story of the bad cops and there is no justice. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582611 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 15:25:16 +0000 travellingbee 2582611@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsjazz: My husband and I have talked about this many times. We have discussed the fact that there are people who are not good at their job in every field. I am a teacher and there are many bad teachers. I know several bad teachers. I know many good teachers. The difference is, when a police officer is not a good police officer, he's carrying a deadly weapon and in stessful situations. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582583 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:42:57 +0000 Adira 2582583@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsjazz: I saw an article about that DJ rant and totally agree. While in general, I believe most police officers are good people who try to do the right thing, that doesn't mean they are never at fault. It oftens feels like, after a tragedy like this, we try to find reasons why it happened to defend the police officer in question, when sometimes there really is no defense. Not saying that we should automatically assume a police officer involved in a shooting is guilty of a crime, but neither should we just assume that the person who was shot deserved to be shot. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582579 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:38:24 +0000 mrsjazz 2582579@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Alton Sterling: not a gang member, though he did have a criminal record.</p> <p>Philando Castile: not a gang member, no record. If he had a record we would have seen his mugshot plastered all over the news.</p> <p>There was this DJ who said something yesterday like, the problem he has with cops is that they don't ever want to point at another officer and say -- no, you don't do your job well and never want to say that a bad job has been done. </p> <p>Let's not just go ahead and defend all officers who are afraid for their lives...some officers shouldn't be on the job or shouldn't police in communities when they look at certain people as other. Sure, the percentage of bad cops is very low compared to good cops but that's not going to help these families sleep at night. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582577 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:36:50 +0000 lilyann 2582577@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: So glad you live in a place without racial profiling. Wish I could say the same for my friends of different races. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582572 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:29:05 +0000 hilsy85 2582572@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: But you were talking specifically about a white guy with a gun who (in your words) "looks like a piece of shit"--that's not really a comparison to these two men, who were, again, presumably not on drugs, or in a gang, or anything like that. I honestly have no idea, but I would have no more reason to suspect that of them than any random person that I would see on the street, which is to say, not at all.</p> <p>ETA not trying to pick on your wording at all, I just found it interesting that as you said for white people, looking suspicious in some way would be a prerequisite for the police caring about whether they have a gun/concealed carry. Where as for black people, it seems that just being black often makes them suspicious enough to the police without any other factors at play. This seems to be the case... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582568 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:25:55 +0000 agold 2582568@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@lilyann: That's great for your husband. I haven't been shot when pulled over either. Neither have any of my black or asian friends. Phew. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582566 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:25:00 +0000 agold 2582566@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@hilsy85: Oh, I'm sorry. My comment didn't have anything to do with either of these cases. My comment was just responding to the prior general comment that a white guy with a gun is presumed to be doing nothing wrong. </p> <p>And I actually don't know if either of the two men at issue were on drugs or not. Or if they were gang members. Do you? I haven't heard one way or another. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582565 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:24:48 +0000 lilyann 2582565@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: When my white DH was carrying and got pulled over for speeding and told them he had a conceal carry, they didn't shoot him. In fact, he didn't even get a ticket for speeding. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582564 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:24:35 +0000 psw27 2582564@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: Yeah there isn't a video of the car stop prior to him being shot. I'm sure there are instances where someone "deserves" to be shot and the officer is actually at risk.... but I just don't think it happened here with a four year old little girl sitting right behind him. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582562 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:22:53 +0000 hilsy85 2582562@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: but what does that comment have to do with the cases people are discussing? Neither of the black men that were shot and killed were hopped up on meth, or gang members...they were just Black. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582557 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:20:07 +0000 agold 2582557@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: I don't think that just because someone is white and carrying a gun, police and public won't care. People can look like pieces of shit no matter their race. So a white guy hopped up on meth carrying a gun and breaking into houses, white supremacist gang member carrying a gun, a white biker gang member carrying a gun, or Vietnamese gang members carrying guns (just trying to think of all the pieces of shit that surround my community).. no one assumes that they are carrying guns for lawful reasons. They look and act dangerous. All these guys are getting shot if they don't comply with the officers and pose a threat to the public or the officers. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582531 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:02:10 +0000 Adira 2582531@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: I read that the officers in that area do not wear body cams, so unfortunately, I don't think there's an visual evidence for what happened prior to the shooting. :bummed: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582530 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:01:17 +0000 Adira 2582530@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: Sorry, I was referring to Philando Castile who was shot after he had been pulled over for a busted tail light. The 911 call about a gun is in reference to Alton Sterling who was shot outside a convenience store.</p> <p>ETA: Oops - replied as you did your ETA! :D </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/alton-sterlingphilando-castile/page/2#post-2582527 Thu, 07 Jul 2016 14:00:01 +0000 agold 2582527@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Adira: That could very well be the case regarding the filming of the car stop. Do you know if the officer had a body camera on? </p>