https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Tue, 21 Apr 2026 21:10:40 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723642 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:38:38 +0000 agold 2723642@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@pinkcupcake: @azjax: I haven't seen the video where he ran back on to the plane. But I've seen two others and can imagine him doing it. I haven't had a concussion and honestly did not know that a concussion could make a person do something crazy like unintentionally run back onto a plane that the person was just dragged off of. I agree that its crazy the police dragged him off the plane and the airlines have stupid policies. But its crazy he did not just stand up and allow himself to be escorted off the plane and raise issue thereafter. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723638 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:19:51 +0000 Maysprout 2723638@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: he ran back on the plane after they dragged him off, passengers said he looked disoriented, he probably had some concussion with his head smack. </p> <p>If you think shooting people is good policy, you're probably not going to have a successful business no matter how legal it is. No ones going to go to ice cream shop with a potential side of stoning. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723637 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:19:33 +0000 snowjewelz 2723637@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@sunny: I was thinking that wow they worked out their marriage after all that scandal! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723631 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:05:19 +0000 sunny 2723631@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: At that point he had a serious head injury and was bleeding. Calling him names is pretty callous. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723630 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:04:08 +0000 sunny 2723630@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: " I'm saying I believe air police should have the right to forcibly remove a passenger that is not cooperating even if it means using force. That's protection for passengers and staff from 9/11 type attacks. Again you can't have it both ways. Police need the right to remove people that are not cooperating. It's for safety."</p> <p>I disagree. What if they had asked him to quack like a duck and he refused? He is "not cooperating". </p> <p>I've read a lawyer offer up the opinion saying that at the point where he was sitting in his seat, it is no longer an "involuntary denial of boarding" situation, but a "refusal of transport" situation. The requirements for removing a person from the flight in order to "refuse transport" are different than IDB. And per the analysis I read, making space for crew is not a valid reason to refuse to transport.</p> <p>Also, I read that there may be a case of mistaken identity with this passenger and that he might not be the doctor who had previously been convicted of a felony and that might be ANOTHER doctor with the same name. I have no idea if this is true or not... but if it is, in the haste to publish the salacious details of his past, there may have been some fact checking that got skipped and now we have a person who is also being defamed. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723625 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 17:41:26 +0000 azjax 2723625@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: perhaps you have never have had the misfortune of being concussed and disoriented, but it certainly happens. Referring to this man as a "special snowflake" after he was subjected to unnecessary force is really gross. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723624 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 17:37:34 +0000 pinkcupcake 2723624@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: yes, everything you said. he wasn't a threat until they removed him like this. This entire situation was created by UA and the aviation security officials who reacted inappropriately </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723623 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 17:34:11 +0000 pinkcupcake 2723623@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: have you seen the video(s)?</p> <p>I love how people admit they haven't really read up on this but are so quick to offer judgment.</p> <p>I really hope your tone is just coming across wrong on the internet because that's a really horrible thing to say about a person who suffered a concussion. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723617 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:58:14 +0000 agold 2723617@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@pinkcupcake: Really? He was delirious to the point that he ran back into the plane without intention? That's crazy! I consider him a special snowflake, still. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723615 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:55:38 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2723615@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>If the forcible removal rules were created because of 9/11 then this would have been abuse of that discretion. He was not a threat to the safety of passengers, crew or operation of the aircraft when all this started. Reporting has been very clear and even @Meow that if the 4 crew weren't on the plane there would be a domino effect. The domino effect was inconvience not safety. Other delayed or canceled flights.</p> <p>When I saw the third video I felt even worse for the man. What a shitshow! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723610 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:42:23 +0000 travellingbee 2723610@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: I respect your opinion but wholeheartedly disagree. He was not being unsafe. He just didn't want to take $800 to volunteer to leave. Police do have a legal right to remove passengers that are being unruly. And it seems united was working within the law. But I don't think it is right that an airline should request security forcibly remove someone just because they didn't want to pay more to get volunteers. They made their decision, now they are regretting it. But I respect your differing opinion and support for them. I just wanted to make it clear that her account was not correct. Anyone can form whatever opinion they would like, but they should do so based on facts. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723608 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:41:51 +0000 pinkcupcake 2723608@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: wow. Makes me glad I live where I do. And I disagree. That doesn't give them the right to manhandle him like that. Even the UA CEO has come out to say so </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723606 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:40:07 +0000 pinkcupcake 2723606@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: special snowflake? Really? He ran back into the plane delirious. According to reports, he likely suffered a concussion when he hit his head. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723605 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:38:48 +0000 agold 2723605@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I haven't read all of these comments and I don't even know all of what happened. It sucks all around. But why create such drama for yourself? If the airlines asked you to give up your seat, just give up your seat and then raise hell and seek recourse afterwards. Why was he running back onto the plane? That's crazy! Special snowflake, for sure. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723604 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:35:24 +0000 T.H.O.U. 2723604@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@pinkcupcake: either way. He wasn't cooperating. They have the right to physically remove him.</p> <p>But I also come from a Florida where you can be shot if you are someone's property where you aren't supposed to be. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723602 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:34:02 +0000 T.H.O.U. 2723602@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@travellingbee: I'm saying I believe air police should have the right to forcibly remove a passenger that is not cooperating even if it means using force. That's protection for passengers and staff from 9/11 type attacks. Again you can't have it both ways. Police need the right to remove people that are not cooperating. It's for safety. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723598 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:26:21 +0000 pinkcupcake 2723598@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: her version of the events is incorrect. He was bloody when he was running back into the plane. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723596 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:10:32 +0000 travellingbee 2723596@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: correct. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723595 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:09:39 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2723595@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: @travellingbee: there are three video segments I have seen.</p> <p>Segment 1: passenger in his seat telling crew or aviation security he will not leave. </p> <p>Segment 2: aviation security lifting him out of his seat, passenger hitting his head on the arm rest, and being dragged by the arms on the floor</p> <p>Segment 3: passenger bleeding on his face leaning against the plane after he got back on the plane after being dragged off</p> <p>From witness accounts he was finally removed by stretcher, so I guess he was carried this time, after Segment 3. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723592 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:02:14 +0000 travellingbee 2723592@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Sketchbook: Agree to disagree. But it isn't true that all airlines have the same policies. As I posted earlier, southwest states on their page that no customers will be denied boarding if they hold a boarding pass. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723591 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:00:23 +0000 travellingbee 2723591@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: I don't know what you were disagreeing with? Her account is not correct. She says that he was forcibly removed and the video is of him being removed after he went back onto the plane. That is not correct. He was forcibly removed and then he went back onto the plane </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723590 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:58:19 +0000 T.H.O.U. 2723590@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@travellingbee: I disagree. If I go stand and block the door to the pilots on a plane do you not want them to have the right to remove me? </p> <p>The airplane is not public space. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723589 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:54:08 +0000 travellingbee 2723589@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: No that just isn't true. The video and all of the news stories are very clear on this. He was forcibly removed from his seat while he was sitting there refusing to leave. Then after they removed him he ran back onto the plane bloodied and concussed and was removed again. Of course after he ran back onto the plane bloodied and concussed they had to remove him. They did not have to forcibly remove him when he was calmly sitting in his seat refusing to get up.</p> <p>ETA: Watch the video I just posted. That was the moment before they removed him. Does he look like he is freaking out? The video of him being dragged out, it's right after that. Then there are pictures of him running back onto the plane and holding onto a pole in the back of the plane with a bloodied up face. He couldn't have run back onto the plane and then got dragged out or how would his face have gotten all bloody?! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723587 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:48:33 +0000 T.H.O.U. 2723587@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>From the Pilots Wife blog post. This is what I agree with the most:</p> <p>"The passenger was forcibly removed by federal aviation security (the disturbing clip that everyone is talking about) after running back into the secured area after being escorted out once. Once he did that, like it or not, they (law enforcement) were under full discretion of the law to apply necessary force to remove the threat. I’m not saying it’s pretty, but the only one who actually broke a law was the passenger. There’s a reason for these laws–it’s called 9/11. We can’t have it both ways." </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723584 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:43:05 +0000 Mrs. Sketchbook 2723584@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@travellingbee: I feel like I'm just unnecessarily stoking fires, but here I go again...I think all the airlines have the same general policies, at least according to that link some of it is codified by law. I can't imagine any airline not putting in their policies "we reserve the right to change flights, deny service, ((fillintheblank)) etc., for any reason." just because it would be irresponsible to do otherwise, given that one cannot anticipate every situation that might require such a thing, and some might be totally valid. At the risk of sounding coy, flying is not a right, even if it is a service we all rely on to a great extent. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723579 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:29:57 +0000 pinkcupcake 2723579@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@travellingbee: oh, very interesting! Thanks for posting that. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723563 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:57:47 +0000 travellingbee 2723563@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: :)</p> <p>For anyone wanting to know more context... cnn posted a video of how the man was behaving right before the forcible removal. And, as you can see, he was not freaking out or acting like a toddler. He was calm but insistent. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2017/04/12/united-airlines-passenger-new-angle-video.hln" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2017/04/12/united-airlines-passenger-new-angle-video.hln</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723560 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:56:16 +0000 Mrs D 2723560@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@travellingbee: I stopped flying them years ago when they departed from an airport during a hurricane without clearance to land at the destination airport (as I understand it this is a HUGE no-no in aviation)...so I'm ahead of the game in boycotting them and their decisions/practices... :) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723559 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:54:00 +0000 travellingbee 2723559@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: I totally think he didn't handle the situation well. I also agree that it seems United followed their policies. But I don't AGREE with their policies. So that is my beef. I don't want to fly with them if those are their policies. (Also, the security officer who mishandled him was placed on leave so I appreciate that.) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/boycott-united/page/4#post-2723539 Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:20:39 +0000 snowjewelz 2723539@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>FYI everyone, I believe he is Vietnamese :happy: </p> <p>@littlejoy: I am first gen Chinese immigrant. While based on facts alone I don't think race had anything to do with it, in reality, who really knows. I think that as minorities we're definitely very spooked and probably over-sensitivity nowadays and sometimes I find it hard to distinguish what's racism/discrimination and what's not anymore... There are so many things that when I think back to it now, I'm like wait, did this happen (or not happen) because of my race...? In this case, who knows if the officiers would've been less violent if it was not a minority passenger acting the exact same ways? We'll never know, and so I guess we can't really go down that path... </p>