https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Fri, 15 May 2026 02:03:30 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251407 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 15:34:19 +0000 .twist. 2251407@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrbee: I actually just read an article he did on being publicly shamed? Maybe related to his book or something? Not sure, but it was VERY eye opening and terrifying. Made me feel really badly for people who have made a stupid joke or something and had their whole lives torn apart because of the internet. </p> <p>@jedeve: Yea. I think everyone can agree it's disgusting, the internet should move on! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251391 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 15:14:39 +0000 looch 2251391@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: Those are two interesting articles, thanks for sharing them.</p> <p>I think in order for any meaningful change to happen, some kind of other revenue stream has to be created to replace trophy hunting. What that is, I don't know. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251382 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:59:21 +0000 mrbee 2251382@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@jedeve: Jon Ronson! Bought it for an upcoming trip, excited to read it... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251379 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:49:03 +0000 jedeve 2251379@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: seriously. I was pretty turned off when I saw a FB friend linking to his yelp to "let him know what you think of his actions." I would not personally big game hunting, but I also wouldn't say that a community that feels like it is a beneficial piece of their economy shouldn't allow it. Also I think the legal system can deal with it and people don't need to persecute him anyway. Wasn't there a book on this? "So you've been publicly shamed?" Or something. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251349 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:18:28 +0000 .twist. 2251349@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I read an article (and I will find it if the internet beckons) about Zimbabwe wanting him to come back there so he can give free dentistry to the people there who desperately need dental care. I thought that was a brilliant way to turn this into a positive. He needs to give back and these people are in need. </p> <p>I also think internet witch hunts are pretty disgusting and think everyone needs to calm the fuck down and leave the dude alone. His practice is already ruined, his online presence is certainly ruined, I'm sure his relationships have taken a toll, ergo his life is pretty well ruined. Let's let him pick up the pieces now and stop picketing in front of his practice. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251343 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:14:21 +0000 JoJoGirl 2251343@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: ...which yes generally tends to be the case. If it's not and we all as a society become much more conscientious about conservation, awesome. I don't think it's so out of left field to assume that won't happen. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251341 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:13:16 +0000 DesertDreams88 2251341@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@maysprout: I guess I don't think the economic value of one species over another species should allow killing one and preserving another. Economic value is not inherent value.</p> <p>I also don't think rareness should matter, either. Is it ok to kill animals as long as there's just some left of every species? Who determines rarity and how is that not subjective? I know there are 8 different conservation statuses but in the end, it's just a guessing game in the dark as to how many animals within a species constitutes these categorizations. </p> <p>I agree with your points about suffering and waste, but there's a heck of a lot of suffering and waste within the mass meat production industry and not many people care about that it seems...</p> <p>I realize I sound quite idealistic and ideals can't always play out in reality. After all, I do slap mosquitos that bite me and squash crickets that come in my house. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251328 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:03:31 +0000 mrbee 2251328@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@DesertDreams88: It doesn't feel arbitrary to me, in the context of conservation and eco tourism?</p> <p>But yah, all life isn't valued equally, or treated equally - and that's far from fair, definitely agree! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251322 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:59:59 +0000 Maysprout 2251322@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@DesertDreams88: a couple reasons. The economy of lion tourism that was taken away, lions are more rare than cows, and it was an American who did it I mentioned in the other thread I killed a lot of mice for cancer research. I was a vegetarian while doing that. I didn't think animals needed to die for me to be fed but I do think careful animal research is OK to alleviate human suffering. This guy killed an animal and let him suffer for a long time for his head. Not for cancer research, not for money to feed his family and not for food. theres tons of horrible examples out there of animal suffering but stories are great to raise awareness and help people really understand the bigger picture. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251320 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:59:14 +0000 DesertDreams88 2251320@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mr. Bee: Very true about your first point... if animals have to be killed, I'd rather their whole bodies be used for good, rather than just discarded. But as for your second point, rules protecting some animals and not others, seem a bit arbitrary to me.... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251317 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:55:01 +0000 Mrs. Peanut 2251317@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@DesertDreams88: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." :wink: Just kidding. I actually agree with you.</p> <p>ETA: Though @MrBee has a really good point! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251315 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:54:23 +0000 mrbee 2251315@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@DesertDreams88: One big difference (to me) is that the cow's life went to sustain others! But the lion's life was sacrificed just to sustain the ego of one person...</p> <p>Also, the lion lived on a protected reserve, and was lured off. So the hunter violated the rules in his hunt... whereas there are no rules protecting cows (except in India). </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251312 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:51:05 +0000 Maysprout 2251312@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@JoJoGirl: right, and the prediction they were making is that after a brief freak out that nothing changes and no one cares in the long run. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251310 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:50:30 +0000 DesertDreams88 2251310@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I just don't understand why people are getting upset about this, but not the horrible treatment and killing of so many other animals in the world and in our own towns....? It just seems so random. I don't understand the difference between Cecil the lion and Tammy the cow someone ate for lunch. What makes some animals more special than others? Obviously, I'm a vegetarian, if that bias isn't already showing ;) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251306 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:47:14 +0000 JoJoGirl 2251306@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: No. The point was that we are all very predictable when it comes to social media witch hunts like this (See: Justine Sacco) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251300 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:44:06 +0000 Maysprout 2251300@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@JoJoGirl: I read it as the end result is nothing changes, no one really cares in the long run and thus the reporting and subsequent discussion are pointless. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251298 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:42:40 +0000 JoJoGirl 2251298@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: Wait, what? It was more a statement on the arc of our culture as it relates to social media than anything else.. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251296 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:41:19 +0000 Mrs. Peanut 2251296@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: I think the article was meant to be satirical and not literal. I found it amusing. :happy: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251289 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:37:34 +0000 Maysprout 2251289@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@JoJoGirl: I disagree. People become more educated and aware and small changes begin. The amount of education about the environment is so much more than in Bush years. It's staggering to look back on the ridiculous things he argued, I've watched it in friends and family too - even ones that are still conservative are so much more educated on the environment and conservation than they were 10 years ago. And I do think that education leads to change. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251274 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:32:07 +0000 Mrs. Peanut 2251274@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@JoJoGirl: Haha that is fantastic and also perfect!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251268 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:28:42 +0000 JoJoGirl 2251268@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Just have to leave this here because it's perfect:</p> <p><a href="http://fusion.net/story/174729/heres-how-this-lion-killing-dentist-thing-is-going-to-play-out/?utm_source=facebook&#038;utm_medium=social&#038;utm_campaign=wired" rel="nofollow">http://fusion.net/story/174729/heres-how-this-lion-killing-dentist-thing-is-going-to-play-out/?utm_source=facebook&#038;utm_medium=social&#038;utm_campaign=wired</a></p> <p>Actually here is a c/p because it's not that long: </p> <p>Look, I know it seems pretty wide open right now, but this lion-killing dentist thing is sailing along just as it’s supposed to:</p> <p>The killer of the lion was revealed. The social media accounts of the Minnesota dentist who killed the lion in Africa have been mined for information. His Yelp listing has been defamed, his Facebook page has been deleted, his website has been attacked. Some terrible things he did in the past have surfaced. Many clever tweets have been fired off. Basically everyone has agreed that this was a terrible thing to do.</p> <p>Now the fun stuff starts. The backlash to the backlash begins. Benghazi will be invoked. A right-wing radio host with an active following will start a GoFundMe page; it will raise hundreds of thousands of dollars in a few hours. Everyone will act surprised. Barack Obama’s birth certificate will be invoked. The Minnesota dentist will issue a formal apology through a lawyer. The Nuremberg trials will be invoked. Furious tweets will be fired off. The second amendment will be invoked, even though Zimbabwe doesn’t have a second amendment. Someone will ask Donald Trump for comment. Someone will ask Mitt Romney for comment. Someone will ask Dog the Bounty Hunter for comment. CNN will screw up a segment about the story, perhaps by mislabeling Zimbabwe on a map of Africa, or by mislabeling Minnesota on a map of America, or by mislabeling a lion as a baby hippopotamus.</p> <p>It will be revealed that the Minnesota dentist who killed the lion is a supporter of a certain presidential candidate. This will prove embarrassing for the candidate, who will attempt to distance himself from the Minnesota dentist who killed the lion. Justine Sacco will be invoked. Neil Degrasse-Tyson will tweet something smart.</p> <p>A brand will tweet something oblivious and atrocious. “You don’t have to be the Minnesota dentist who killed a lion to enjoy our sale on Crocs!” The tweet will be deleted. The brand will apologize. The intern will be fired. The brand will go back to tweeting to the void, to the vast nothingness it abuts.</p> <p>Someone will suggest that we went too hard on the Minnesota dentist who killed the lion. The GoFundMe page will cross $1 million. Someone will set up a counter-fundraiser, for the lions. It will raise far less money. Someone will point out that there are far greater issues in Africa that we should be paying attention to. This person will be ignored. The Minnesota dentist who killed the lion will get a sympathetic interview with Sean Hannity. His wife will sit next to him, dabbing her eyes with a Kleenex. The “liberal media” will be invoked. Twitter will be blamed. The Internet will be blamed. George Soros will be blamed. Ernest Hemingway will be invoked. A Republican presidential candidate who is lagging in the polls and struggling to gain media attention will tweet a photo of himself with an animal he has just killed. The candidate will gain media attention and surge up the polls. The GoFundMe page will cross $2 million in funds raised. Someone will point out what this money could have been put toward, instead of a Minnesota dentist who killed a lion.</p> <p>Sarah Palin will be invoked.</p> <p>The story will begin to lose steam. CNN will apologize for labeling Thailand as Zimbabwe. Donald Trump will say something outrageous about Iran. Mike Huckabee will say something outrageous about the Civil War. Joe Scarborough will say something outrageous about pastry strudels. The Minnesota dentist who killed the lion will appear on The Hugh Hewitt Show. The Minnesota dentist who killed the lion will appear on The 700 Club. The Minnesota dentist who killed the lion will appear on the upcoming season of Blue Bloods.</p> <p>But eventually, ultimately, the Minnesota dentist will go back to practicing dentistry. He will be able to purchase all new dental tools, with the $3 million he raises from GoFundMe. An intern at a large media organization will be assigned a nostalgic listicle, about newsmakers from the past year you may have forgotten.</p> <p>The intern will invoke the Minnesota dentist who killed a lion. You will definitely have forgotten. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251266 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:28:09 +0000 Maysprout 2251266@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Truth Bombs: people cry at animal deaths in movies more too. That's kinda the point of why it's a big deal. Rare animals are big tourism and bring people in, they elicit a passion in some people, and can then bring more awareness to a location, situation and culture. You can say 'thats stupid' but it is reality and thus supporting a healthy environment is supporting the community. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251241 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:16:38 +0000 agold 2251241@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I don't agree with trophy hunting under any circumstance. Its disgusting and horrible. But I don't know how I feel about extraditing this man. Does anyone know what his punishment would be in Zimbabwe? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251223 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:59:18 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2251223@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>What amazes me is how many lives have been impacted by this incident. Cecil's cubs are now in danger from the other male lions. The dentist's staff are now without jobs. The dentist's patients now have to scramble to find new providers. </p> <p>I didn't sign the White House petition, but I am very disgusted by what happened. It's one thing to kill animals for sport (not a fan); it's another to kill animals that are specifically protected and break laws. This entire thing reminded me of the movie Purge. This isn't the first time the dentist participated in an unlawful trophy kill. </p> <p>@Maysprout: I read a similar article that cited the same figures. Simply, animals left alive are much better for Africa's economy. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251218 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:55:00 +0000 ms.line 2251218@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Truth Bombs: @hilsy85: yep! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251199 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:35:47 +0000 hilsy85 2251199@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Truth Bombs: yes exactly. Mind boggling how many people are up in arms about this, but there is such limited response to the million other atrocities that are committed in Zimbabwe, Africa as a whole, or even the US. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251193 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:29:16 +0000 Maysprout 2251193@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@looch: here's an article on tourism v hunting profits for communities. <a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/07/29/427451836/one-point-of-view-on-how-lions-can-earn-money-for-africa" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/07/29/427451836/one-point-of-view-on-how-lions-can-earn-money-for-africa</a><br /> <a href="http://africageographic.com/blog/more-info-about-the-hunt-of-cecil-the-lion/" rel="nofollow">http://africageographic.com/blog/more-info-about-the-hunt-of-cecil-the-lion/</a></p> <p>It's thought that they lured him out of the protected park with meat onto private land. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251190 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:25:16 +0000 looch 2251190@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I am still unclear on what really happened...did the guides that he was with know it was Cecil? Was the GPS tracking device working properly? </p> <p>I don't know what extraditing him actually solves (does the potential punishment fit the crime?). It seems to me that this kind of hunting is key to the local economy (as distasteful as I might find it) and a bigger impact would be made if the government officials of Zimbabwe banned hunting expeditions of any sort. Or maybe they should look at the incident and put tighter controls in place to prevent this from happening again. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251182 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:16:08 +0000 Maysprout 2251182@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>He should be extradited. He broke a big law. A lot of environmental protection work goes to help local communities in comparison to guys like this who go in to extract local resources for their sole pride or profit. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cecil-the-lion#post-2251181 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:16:07 +0000 abbydabbydoodlebug 2251181@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Truth Bombs: YES. THIS. It's horrible what that guy did and I don't believe for a second that he didn't know what was going on. But really, there are bigger and more serious problems out there. </p>