https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Thu, 16 Apr 2026 13:32:02 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/page/2#post-754015 Wed, 01 May 2013 07:48:19 +0000 mrsmenow 754015@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Polish: there are several different kinds of murmurs with different causes. Some can be fatal while some resolve on their own. Unless the parents release the child' s medical record or sign a release for the doctors to comment the story is incomplete.</p> <p>ETA: i just think if you are going to the media with the intention of hurting someone's career you should be forthcoming with all the relevant information. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/page/2#post-753920 Wed, 01 May 2013 06:20:36 +0000 Mrs. Polish 753920@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsmenow: the interview with the parents said it's a heart murmur. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/page/2#post-753919 Wed, 01 May 2013 06:19:56 +0000 Mrs. Polish 753919@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>This is on GMA now. It sounds the same as the articles state. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/page/2#post-753288 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:55:40 +0000 mrsmenow 753288@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I don't think we have all the information in this case. We don't know his heart condition, the risks attributed with him leaving against medical advice, If there were other things seen by the staff while he was in the hospital.</p> <p>I don't really like stories like this because we can't possibly hear all sides due to privacy laws . </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/page/2#post-753273 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:49:38 +0000 stargal 753273@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@runsyellowlites: not calling put anyone crazies whocdisagree with drs or want another opinion. Im more referring to ppl who will treat major health problems in thwir home inatead of gettong proper care bc of articles like this. They put fear into peoples minds abput drs and hospitals. Its a us vs them mentality that i hate. Sorry should of been more specific. I think its pwrefectly fine to treat your child at home for minor incidents but things like this are in need of medical attention. To compare strep throat to a serious heart condition isn't a fair comparison. Surely.of your child had a serious heart condition you would go to the hospital. And if they were going to switch different hospital to get a second opinion they should of properly discharged themselves... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/page/2#post-753272 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:46:50 +0000 mrskc 753272@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>At least the parents are being reunited and taken away from that first hospital. I don't like that they're being forced to comply with all medical advice. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/page/2#post-753268 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:42:49 +0000 runsyellowlites 753268@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@stargal: After multiple personal experiences this is out stance on taking any of our family members to the hospital, especially my children. We've been able to treat most all illnesses at home without issue (including strep I had). I'm well informed, know my rights as a patient/parent, &amp; definitely don't classify myself as "the crazies", I just know first hand what it's like to be bullied into treatment plans you aren't we'll informed on (since you're just hearing about them) or don't agree with. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/page/2#post-753257 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:38:21 +0000 runsyellowlites 753257@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@zippylef: I just saw this update too! I could've understood Sutter's position if they had taken the child home, but authorities saw the child at the other hospital &amp; saw the doctor there discharge them. If I went through that &amp; saw police at my door without a warrant (what I read on the updated article) I would've had my phone recording too! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/page/2#post-753247 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:34:49 +0000 loveisstrange 753247@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I dont think the video is that fishy. Its probably a computers webcam. News video I saw said she set it up when she realized the police were outside. </p> <p>Anyway, they had their hearing yesterday and the judge removed the baby from the protective custody of the hospital that reported them and he is being evaluated by a 3rd party hospital. They are being forced to comply with medical advice from here on out.</p> <p>Honestly, i think this Sutter hospital is full of it and the whole thing is ridiculous.</p> <p><a href="http://eastsacramento.news10.net/news/news/137863-judge-orders-transport-baby-sammy-stanford-medical-center" rel="nofollow">http://eastsacramento.news10.net/news/news/137863-judge-orders-transport-baby-sammy-stanford-medical-center</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/page/2#post-752956 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:51:29 +0000 Arden 752956@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Here's another article on the story for those who wanted another source, from Fox News. <a href="http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/04/30/police-take-baby-away-family-wanted-second-medical-opinion" rel="nofollow">http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/04/30/police-take-baby-away-family-wanted-second-medical-opinion</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752717 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 13:24:13 +0000 Happygal 752717@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I'm with everyone else in scratching my head with the details of this story. If police were coming to your home, wouldn't your reaction be to go to your baby, not get the camera and set it up? I saw another interview with them with the local news where they were discussing bruises, etc. I would be certainly be assertive, but also trying to smooth the waters as much as possible so I could get my baby back home with me.</p> <p>But like @Mrs. Wagon said, the bottom line is that it is sad the parents and baby can't be together at this time. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752636 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:54:02 +0000 mrs. wagon 752636@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I don't think this is a credible source for this story. I don't think the news outlet that reported it is either, since they are reporting on behalf of the couple, who contacted them. The one red flag I personally see is that they didn't discharge the baby from the first hospital before taking him to the second. I can't imagine what the scene was like, fighting with doctors and nurses and walking out with a PICU patient without discharging him.</p> <p>Really sad that these parents are separated from their baby through all this horrible stuff. :( It's bad enough that their baby has these health problems. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752605 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:43:09 +0000 PointeShoesTutus 752605@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@googly-eyes: I totally second what you said. My DH is also a cop. He says going on those calls with CPS is heartbreaking.</p> <p>And generally cops tend not to just go around randomly attacking citizens. That's how lawsuits happen. Way more to that part of the story as well. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752592 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:39:59 +0000 PointeShoesTutus 752592@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>That's a sad story but what stood out to me was that it seemed the parents took their child out of the hospital without formal discharge paperwork~a verbal ok from a doctor is not discharge paperwork. That could be why the hospital called CPS. The hospital didn't know they were necessarily going to go to another hospital straight away. But it does seem like there is more to the story than the article is reporting. </p> <p>I once accidentally walked out of urgent care without signing discharge paperwork. I'd been given the verbal ok to leave by the doctor but the nurse hadn't come back with the paperwork after almost an hour, so I left. My doctor mentioned it at a followup appointment later that week. It had to do with liability issues for the clinic. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752575 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:34:23 +0000 lovehoneybee 752575@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@2PeasinaPod: I absolutely agree. </p> <p>We don't know the whole story, so I'll reserve judgement, but I will say that I delivered Evan at Hershey (the other case mentioned) and they were a dream. E did get the Hep B and Vit K shots, but only after we had a long talk with the pediatric rotation (nurses and doctors) about them, and they didn't push me either way, just let me know all of our options. I can't say what might have happened had we ended up refusing them, but I think it's really disingenuous to paint hospitals (and all doctors) as monsters just trying to force things on your child, because I really don't feel that's the usually the case. </p> <p>I really don't know what happened in either case but I'm having problems reconciling the very open, don't do anything unless we HAVE to attitude I received at the hospital with the one in that article. We LOVED our experience at Hershey, in large part because we never felt forced to do anything either way. I felt very in control of my care, and of Evan's.</p> <p>ETA: I'm not suggesting anyone is lying, I just don't think we're getting the whole story. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752554 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:26:14 +0000 stargal 752554@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>def more to the story, that article is poorly written and def one sided! look at this quote, really?!!??!</p> <p>"Think long and hard before taking your children to the hospital my friends. Once you go through that door, the medical decisions about your child are no longer within your control."</p> <p>great now all the crazies will be treating their children at home. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752431 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:43:42 +0000 mrskc 752431@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>While I'm sure there is more to this story. This is just horrifying. I feel like this could happen to any parent. I watched the video news story and these don't seem like the kind of parents that are severely neglecting their child and don't see why the baby had to be taken out of their custody like that. I really hope they get to be reunited with their baby soon. </p> <p>The video camera thing doesn't seem sketchy to me. I think she just propped up her phone and started recording when they saw the police outside their house. I think the dad met them outside, and maybe he's exaggerating, but they got the house key and let themselves in. I'm sure that's plenty of time to set your phone up on a table to record. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752385 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:30:42 +0000 MamaMoose 752385@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>There is definitely more to this story than what the public is hearing.</p> <p>This line is all I need to read to see this blogger clearly has an agenda: "Think long and hard before taking your children to the hospital my friends. Once you go through that door, the medical decisions about your child are no longer within your control." </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752339 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:14:51 +0000 chopsuey 752339@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>The B of a Pediatrician who was on call at the hospital threatened to call CPS on us when we questioned why our son couldn't be treated for his jaundice at home. I swear I wanted to kick her booty.<br /> Terrible bedside manner. </p> <p>DD had jaundice too and we rented a bilirubin light and treated her at home. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752322 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:09:13 +0000 2PeasinaPod 752322@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>While I think this situation is horrible, I'm not sure what to believe. I feel like so many people in this situation can't win. </p> <p>I feel as if health care professionals are so under pressure to make sure they do everything appropriately, that they can't win when they advise something and someone disagrees with them. A parent has every right to disagree, but then they'll turn around and sue that health care professional the first chance they get for neglect when they don't follow their orders and something goes wrong. So of course they're going to be on edge and press you to heed their advice.</p> <p>I think there's a lot more to this story...especially since the wife seemed to know that the police were coming for their baby and set up a video to record it all happening. I feel like we're only getting one side of the story. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752308 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:02:09 +0000 MrsSCB 752308@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@googly-eyes: Yeah, I was kind of skeptical of the shoving, too. In the actual article (vs. the blog post) they only refer to the police pushing him in a direct quote from the dad, so they obviously weren't able to get it corroborated by anyone else. I guess it's possible, the whole thing just seems so crazy, though! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752204 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:34:49 +0000 googly-eyes 752204@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsCB: I don't think so. Dh is a cop and they don't like to take kids. They do it when they get a call and they're obligated to do it.. </p> <p>And on that, I really dislike how it's being reported the cops just shoved the dad, no explanation, like they just stormed in there and shoved him out of the way and stole his kid. I doubt it. I wish reporters knew a little more about police tactics before they worded things (not just this story) in such a way. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752112 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:07:41 +0000 ShootingStar 752112@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>This article seems so weird to me. I have a good friend who's a CPS worker and they try as hard as they can to keep the children with the family. It sounds like the police by-passed them and just did what they wanted?</p> <p>I really hope this article doesn't make people think the workers at CPS are monsters. My friend has the absolute worst, most difficult job on the planet. The things she's seen and the horrors she's heard from little, innocent children, would make most people unable to sleep at night. She's one of the smartest people I've ever known and could've done anything she wanted with her life, and she chooses to work with little kids who are often sexually abused and have no idea what's happened them isn't normal. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752065 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:51:30 +0000 Mrs. Polish 752065@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Oh my gosh. How horrifying. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-752048 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:47:02 +0000 ladyfingers 752048@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>This is pretty scary but I agree it feels "off." I feel weird about the fact that she had a video camera set up, honestly. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-751788 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:53:16 +0000 Maysprout 751788@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>How horrible. There was a situation somewhat like this around us, but with a hospital trying to take away a newborn, luckily the baby was returned by court order the next day. But it's very scary the amount they can interfere. The couple around us is suing the hospital but the hospital was almost able to block the lawsuit from coming to a hearing.</p> <p>The hospital is also trying to crack down on child abuse and there was a doctor on the radio saying if a pediatrician sees bruises any on a child's back they should call CPS because there's no reason to have bruises on the back. Lots of people called the station after that and were like um....I don't support child abuse but that's crazy, kids get bruises. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-751785 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:50:59 +0000 Mrsbells 751785@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I feel bad for the parents.. But i allay feel bad for CPS because it seems like they either do too much or don't do enough and get critiqued either way </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-751773 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:44:59 +0000 Grace 751773@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I feel that I am missing something. The story is also all over mainstream news, but there is no extra info. And because CPS isn't talking, it's all very one-sided. Weird... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-751763 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:39:32 +0000 Dandelion 751763@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>That's crazy! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion#post-751737 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 07:12:26 +0000 Espion 751737@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@runsyellowlites: You absolutely have the right to "fire" the physician and ask for someone else to see the child. In a hospital situation (and even in a general practice situation) there are plenty of other physicians on hand to see your child.<br /> I hope you'll believe me when I say that that is likely not a doctor issue, but a severe personality defect. (i.e. apparently he did not have the ability to sit down and calmly talk through why he was making the recommendation beyond the annoying, "well I said so".)<br /> If a patient does not want to proceed with my suggested course of action, I do document it (in a very neutral manner), but I sit down and go through the: "this is how you can recognize if things are going south, and this is how you know she is getting better and the correct plan of action (i.e. yours) was taken". Essentially: these are all of our options.<br /> Seriously, ask for a social worker and/or the charge nurse. Calmly explain that you would like another physician to assess your child. I'm surprised they got all hung up on wanting to wait for antibiotics (which is reasonable), but we've all seen the worst case scenarios. I know I shouldn't assume that every child with a headache is going to end up deaf and with severe developmental delay if they don't get diagnosed with meningitis and treated immediately, but it's in the back of my head. </p> <p>I agree that there has to be something more to this story. It sounds all a bit too "sensational". </p> <p>A good book for any parent, physician or anyone keen on cultural differences should look at "The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down" by Fadiman. It's about a Hmong child with epilepsy (seen as a shamanistic characteristic amongst the old world Hmong, according to the book. I'm no expert on their culture) being treated by pediatricians. The state eventually took the child away. Was she getting the proper care via her parents according to Western medicine? No. Was it a good thing to take her away from her family? Likely not. Tough ethical questions, good book. </p>