https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:47:43 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1973002 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:13:31 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 1973002@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: thanks for the links you added to this post. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972976 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:37:35 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 1972976@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972527 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:01:23 +0000 Madison43 1972527@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@cait: exactly. A lot of the stories also mentioned how often he had been arrested in the past. WTF difference does it make?? There's no question that he was just walking through the stairwell when he was shot. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972502 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:48:31 +0000 daniellemybelle 1972502@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTiz: It helps by bringing awareness to the disparities that many are unaware of or refuse to acknowledge, like @PurplePumps. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972465 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:32:36 +0000 MrsSCB 1972465@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@cait: Ugh, the image tarnishing drives me crazy! Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown used marijuana, Tamir Rice's father and mother have criminal histories...it goes on and on. So what? Does that mean all criminals deserve to be shot to death, regardless of the crime? No one said they're perfect, but apparently in order to not be justifiably killed you must be. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972438 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:20:27 +0000 cait 1972438@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Madison43: This story was very unsettling. What really disturbed me was that several articles I read about it used an old mug shot of the victim instead of or in addition to his many other photos (like ones with his 2 year old baby girl). It seems that even when it's admitted that a mistake occurred and the man was innocent, something has to be added to try to tarnish the victim's image. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972429 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 12:15:16 +0000 Warbler 1972429@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@PurplePumps: You are missing the point. I don't think that the hashtags are trying to "prove" this, so much as they are trying to spread awareness of this great divide in racial treatment. </p> <p>Sure black people have been let go before and white people have been charged/arrested/fine before. But, by far and large police treatment of white people is very lenient in comparison with black people. As a black woman, I have been pulled over multiple times by cops. I will admit that a few times it was justified, running a stop sign, making an illegal turn on a red light. But there were also times when I was stopped and not given a reason as to why I was being pulled over. I was made to wait while my license and plates were read. The very first time I was pulled over I was 18 and asked the officer why I was pulled over. He yelled at me and told me not to question his authority. Now, whenever I get pulled over I just sit quietly with my hands on my steering wheel and give yes and no answers to the officer. And you know what? This would be fine and well with me if this was how everyone was treated. But, it is not. I have never been let go with just a warning, but several of my white friends have for serious infractions. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972410 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:59:59 +0000 MrsSCB 1972410@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@PurplePumps: Again, no one is saying "not a single black kid doing something petty has not been let go with a stern talking the same as a non black kid has been." It's about the pattern and the rate at which this happens to black people, which far differs from the rate at which it happens to white people. That's a verifiable fact. Take these stats, for example -- white and black people use marijuana at roughly the same rate. In fact, in a certain age group white people use marijuana more than black people. And yet, the marijuana arrest rates for black people FAR outstrip the rates for white people. Why? Because of racist stop and frisk laws. Because certain people look at all black kids as suspicious. Because of preconceived notions based on the color of a person's skin.</p> <p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/04/the-blackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/04/the-blackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/</a></p> <p>This isn't about "fueling the fire," it's about bringing awareness to the systemic racism that exists. Yeah, that's gonna make some people angry or uncomfortable, but so be it. Sometimes things that seem like fueling the fire are necessary for change. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972406 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:58:36 +0000 Madison43 1972406@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: on my phone, so I can't link but google Akai Gurley ... this kid was literally just walking through his stairwell and was shot and killed by a police officer. I had assumed that this story didn't get as much traction because the shooting was accidental (police officer was allegedly startled by his presence in a dark stairwell and accidently discharged his weapon) but the details about what happened after the shooting are distressing if true. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972401 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:56:49 +0000 Synchronicity 1972401@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@PurplePumps: Common, no one is saying that black people never get away with things... The point is that black people are far, far less likely to get away with things than white people. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972397 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:54:15 +0000 PurplePumps 1972397@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I'm sorry, but that is just a stupid tag to make and fuels the fire. There is no need to "prove" that it's easier as white to get away with things. If they want to prove a point and try to create peace, the tag should be #crimingwhileblack to find evidence that it's not JUST whites getting special treatment, and that it's just PEOPLE and circumstances that are taken into consideration. I find it hard pressed to believe that not a single black kid doing something petty has not been let go with a stern talking the same as a non black kid has been. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972391 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:49:45 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 1972391@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mediagirl: good example. In fact what you described as to always wondering if you had been black or brown if more would have happened is often how black &amp; brown people feel when they are stopped &amp; questioned &amp; searched especially for mundane things. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972384 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:43:58 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 1972384@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@LindsayInNY: not 100% sure because you didn't reply directly to me; but if you are referring to the real-life situation I posted I disagree the "kid" should have been let off. </p> <p>The young man was not a child. He was still living at home with his parents in the neighborhood, but he was already out of HS. He was old enough to know right from wrong. He trespassed on our property. He not only wandered into our backyard, but opened a door to further enter a deeper part of our property. He took something that didn't belong to him. He stole, he disrupted our peace of mind, and invaded our privacy. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972380 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:41:29 +0000 travellingbee 1972380@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Madison43: yeah that's how I see it too. It's for white people to help them realize the privilege. Not to make black people understand. They clearly already get it! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite/page/2#post-1972379 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:40:25 +0000 .twist. 1972379@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: What the fuck. It's like they're going out of their way to make this shit happen. :( </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972373 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:36:18 +0000 Maysprout 1972373@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: sure not every example is good. But the different ways police handle incidents is still interesting, especially in figuring out how to best change policies for police response. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972369 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:34:11 +0000 MrsSCB 1972369@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@chanada: It happens all the time and it won't be stopping anytime soon. Here we go again: <a href="http://gawker.com/cop-kills-unarmed-black-man-in-arizona-1667104180" rel="nofollow">http://gawker.com/cop-kills-unarmed-black-man-in-arizona-1667104180</a> Ugh. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972365 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:30:33 +0000 chanada 1972365@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Reading the experiences of those racially profiled gets me to angry. It's not new news and I agree that everyone should be aware or reminded that this happens *all the time*. </p> <p>I'm just wondering if changes can happen in the police forces and other institutions of authority. They should and I think powerful stories of those unfairly treated should be part of the training or retraining of people dealing with the everyday people.</p> <p>I'm not black or white. I'm Asian and I have slightly different experiences being the minority in different settings. But I can attest that racism is alive today. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972362 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:29:06 +0000 .twist. 1972362@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Madison43: I do totally agree. I guess I agree with PP's who say that the people who really need to see the difference won't be reading these.</p> <p>ETA: Not that it shouldn't be there for them to see if they were so inclined.... ugh. I don't know. The hashtag just rubs me the wrong way. I get it's purpose and I see where/how it can be beneficial. I just think something better could be done, even though I don't know what that is! haha. I hate this whole issue... *sigh* </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972357 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:26:30 +0000 Madison43 1972357@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: I agree completely that white people need to read #alivewhileblack. Unfortunately, I still don't think it registers for a lot of people how different their experience is from the black experience until they compare it to their own experiences. I don't think black people need to see our side, I think white people need to see both sides to really understand the dichotomy. Am I making sense? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972349 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:21:48 +0000 .twist. 1972349@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Madison43: That's why I think us as white people need to read about black peoples experiences. Not the other way around; because it doesn't help them. Our stories do nothing to help them fight for their lives, ya know? What is them seeing our side going to do? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972338 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:15:11 +0000 .twist. 1972338@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: I guess, I don't find the two comparable. #alivewhileblack is exhibiting cut and dried examples of how black people are being stopped, questioned, arrested, even killed because they were black. The #crimingwhilewhite anecdotes are not so clear. I read one tweet about a women being let go because of something or another, and her photo? She was a very booby, luscious, red headed, doe eyed girl. I bet you it had more to do with the fact that she sweet talked her way outta that than it had anything to do with her skin colour. I could be wrong, but the question is still there. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972331 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:11:49 +0000 Madison43 1972331@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: the two tweets you posted above are really poignant. But, I think also think it's true that groups of people (race, gender, religious, etc...) understand the challenges that the others face better when it is compared to their own experiences. Taking race out of it for a minute, men often don't undertand that challenges that women can face in the workplace. When explaining the issue to a man who is blind to the differences in our experiences, I have found it helpful to highlight them - for example, when is the last time a male associate in my law firm was asked if he was my boss's assistant? It has never happened. How often does it happen to me? Regularly. I'm not sure how I feel about #crimingehilewhite because some of the responses see too lighthearted given the circumstances, but I guess I'm saying that I don't think pointing out differences is a bad thing. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972321 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:05:55 +0000 Maysprout 1972321@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: for me reading the contrast between the two has been what's interesting. And everyone's posting only examples that fit the tweets but I think it's still interesting. @Madison43: I agree. I'm confused too. I didn't think the existence of racial profiling was up for debate. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972312 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:01:34 +0000 .twist. 1972312@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: Ugh. :( </p> <p>I think I've found what personally bugs me about #crimingwhilewhite. It doesn't do anything to bring us together. It only further acknowledges "look at how different we all are". I don't like that. Let's find a way to band together, to make big changes together as one and as equals which is exactly how it should be. I have no idea how to do that, but I don't think this particular hashtag helps. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972309 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:00:27 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 1972309@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Eko: there are different kinds of privilege and bias. The most common assumption in the case that I experienced was that the white church girls were little angels and the black boys were "thugs". Because hats the stereotype. The fact that we explained up and down that we were the perpetrators made no difference in the assumptions that the workers and cops made. Despite the fact that it was all of our fault and the boys had nothing to do with it. </p> <p>If you haven't taken the implicit association test, I highly encourage it. It certainly challenged my assumptions about what I thought I believed! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972305 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:57:46 +0000 Madison43 1972305@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Some of these comments really confuse me. I don't think anyone is speaking in absolutes (i.e. no white person ever gets harassed by the police or every black person is), but rather, as a previous poster said, talking about trends and patterns. Are there really folks that believe that racial profiling is not real? I can't wrap my head around that at all. </p> <p>As for #crimingwhilewhite, it's white people talking about themselves, not black people shaming being white. And I think folks that are offended maybe taking the comments too literal. For example, I saw a tweet tht said something like "I yelled at a police officer - he called me a C*** and threatened to arrest me, but he didn't kill me" Does this commenter think every black person that yells at a polic officer will be killed? No. She's just making a slightly tongue in cheek statement that draws attention to the issue. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972299 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:53:02 +0000 MrsSCB 1972299@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsjazz: Agreed, it is frustrating. I want to help things change but at this point I don't know how, other than to keep the conversation going. I know I can't make people change their minds, as much as I may want to.</p> <p>@.twist.: Exactly. I've "gotten away" with things before, but I don't really know the reason why. But a story my dad told me as a kid has always stuck with me and is something I've been thinking about a lot lately. He was driving on the highway a little behind a friend, going to a party. They were both in their own cars, both lawyers -- his friend is black and my dad is white. His friend got stopped by cops because they were suspicious about him driving such a nice car (a lawyer with a nice car, who would've thought!). They were questioning the friend when my dad pulled up behind them and got out to see what was going on. And it was like as soon as my dad walked up and identified himself as the guy's friend and said they were driving to the same party the cops were like, "Oh, ok, we're cool now." They left and his friend said that wasn't the first time something like that had happened. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972288 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:47:16 +0000 .twist. 1972288@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: I agree that the #alivewhileblack stories have far more impact than the #crimingwhilewhite stories do. I've read through a page of the #crimingwhilewhite and just feel like there are other things that could have been taken into account in that particular scenario (pretty girl? had enough bail money? etc.) Some stories didn't even mention police at all and I just wonder if they were ever even "caught". Which would be a pointless, attention seeking post. </p> <p>I feel like the #alivewhileblack stories are much more important, we need to be reading those, we need to be paying attention to those! I read one from a black girl who tweeted these two tweets, and I thought they were great and more eye opening than any of the white people making things about them: </p> <p>Ijeoma Oluo ‏@IjeomaOluo 19h19 hours ago<br /> #crimingwhilewhite why does the treatment of blacks have to be run through the filter of whiteness before it's taken seriously?</p> <p>Ijeoma Oluo ‏@IjeomaOluo 19h19 hours ago<br /> #crimingwhilewhite doesn't help me. I already know what you get away with. You need to listen to what we die for.</p> <p>Those two tweets really resonated with me, and it IS about black people and we need to pay attention to them and what they say and listen to their stories. I guess, what I'm trying to say is that I don't like #crimingwhilewhite, even though I understand it's purpose. I just feel like it's making everything about the white man. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/crimingwhilewhite#post-1972276 Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:42:28 +0000 mrsjazz 1972276@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: Yes, these have more impact. I've read so many of these, have experienced some myself, and the men in my family definitely have stories like this to share. But ultimately, as posters on this thread have shown, people will see what they want to see and say that this has nothing to do with race. </p>