https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Thu, 28 May 2026 15:46:13 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610647 Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:34:42 +0000 nana87 2610647@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I saw this on fb and completely agree </p> [attach=1484/16/och4pu.600x586.image.jpg] https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610636 Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:31:26 +0000 PawPrints 2610636@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Agree that it's horrific, and it has also made me kind of want a burkini. They're on Amazon and some are kind of cute! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610610 Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:17:26 +0000 lamariniere 2610610@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@looch: no idea. But I'm very curious to see how the French courts will rule on the issue since it could have a spillover effect to other Euro countries. </p> <p>@Freckles: oh, I totally agree. I find it somewhat analogous to the whole birth gender bathroom debacle. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610517 Thu, 25 Aug 2016 10:03:48 +0000 Freckles 2610517@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@lamariniere: I understand why they instituted the ban, but it's political crap. The decree absolutely infringes on the rights of Muslims. </p> <p>The stupid thing is that the burqini was created because Australia needed to recruit Muslim lifeguard volunteers and this allowed women to participate. This ban essentially forces Muslim women to stay away from beaches. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610483 Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:11:39 +0000 looch 2610483@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@lamariniere: I wonder if there were ramifications for her at home.</p> <p>I think people tend to think of Europe as a continent where everyone gets along, but the ethnic and racial divides run deep and I am worried that they are starting to come to the surface and history is going to repeat itself. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610323 Thu, 25 Aug 2016 05:46:16 +0000 Cherrybee 2610323@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>This is just bizarre. And appalling. "Excuse me ma'am, you are not exposing enough flesh and we feel this is infringing on your right to dress how you please. Get your kit off." </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610301 Thu, 25 Aug 2016 02:25:43 +0000 lamariniere 2610301@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>This is, of course, reprehensible that a woman was forced to remove some of her clothing in a public place, in view of all. She must have felt humiliated. I personally think they should be able to dress how they want. I myself nearly always wear a long sleeve rash guard at the beach or pool for extra sun protection.</p> <p>That said, I think it's interesting to see the two sides of the argument. On the one hand, you have mayors (because this is not a national ban, it's local ordinances), that want to be seen as doing something (whatever that means) in light of all the recent attacks in France. There is also a long tradition of secularism in French society. The prime minister said: “The burkini is not a new swimsuit fashion trend. It’s the translation of a political project for a counter-society based on woman’s enslavement. There is an idea that, by nature, women are indecent, impure so should cover themselves entirely. That is not compatible with the values of France and the Republic.” And Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights says:</p> <p>1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.</p> <p>2. Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.<br /> On the other hand, there is freedom of religion in France and that extends to wearing traditional dress (minus the face covering niquab and burka bans, and minus religious insignia when working for the state, ie. postal carriers or public school teachers cannot wear a cross, yarmulke, headscarf, etc. on the job). But women are generally afforded the right to dress as they please and in general, it is extremely common to see women wearing the hijab in France. There is also the argument that the decree is racist or Islamophobic in nature since it is targeting Muslims and preventing them from expressing their religion or obliging them to dress less modestly than is their custom. I have no idea how surfers wearing wet suits or Orthodox Jewish women wearing modest swimwear are treated.</p> <p>France's highest court of appeal is supposed to make a ruling on this today. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610288 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 22:47:40 +0000 coopsmama 2610288@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>How is that at all okay?! This makes me angry. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610286 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 22:40:58 +0000 Mrs Green Grass 2610286@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>It is so disturbing! I can't believe it's real. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610269 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 21:37:36 +0000 Anagram 2610269@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>This is the worst law, ever. I hate it. Skin cancer runs in my family, and I have multiple family members that wear long rash guards and long pants to the beach. And my MIL would for SURE wear something like what that lady was wearing, minus her hijab. So....yeah, completely awful. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610197 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 19:09:52 +0000 erinpye 2610197@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I don't think anyone should dictate what any woman wears, period. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610196 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 19:08:46 +0000 mrsbookworm 2610196@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Definitely seems wrong to me. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/france-burkini-ban#post-2610176 Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:31:16 +0000 Mrsbells 2610176@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>This story has bothered me all day. especially since the woman that was forced to take off a layer by the armed police actually wasnt wearing a "burkini" or a hijab. she had on a regular top and pants. I've worn similar things to the beach and my mom dresses like that all the time and we arent muslims. So this burkini ban just seems to defy logic to me. Why cant a woman sit on the beach in clothes she is comfortable in?<br /> <a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37173673" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37173673</a> </p> [attach=1326/16/ocftc4.600x400.b1.jpg] [attach=1326/16/ocftc5.590x350.burkini-703240.jpg]