https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Wed, 29 Apr 2026 16:18:51 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931910 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:54:02 +0000 Mrsbells 931910@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsjazz: His brother does him more harm that good. He is clearly racist and his tweets are proof of that.They think because their father was a judge that they have this higher calling to do as they please and speak however they want. I dont blame him because the system tolerates it and even applauds it. I do hear and read comments about and basically the general conclusion is that it was trayvons fault, he was essentially found guilty of his own murder </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931660 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:41:55 +0000 mrsjazz 931660@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@yoursilverlining: "Talk about it after a case like this - you're inciting violence. Talk about it any other time and you're race baiting. The fact is there are huge racial inequalities in our country, in our justice system, in our media; everywhere. And it isn't going to get any better until people start to talk about it all the time, and do something about it." Yes! Also, that article you posted from Sociological Images is great. Hard to argue against facts.</p> <p>@plantains: 100% agreed. This is an escalation. We need to be talking about this until we're blue in the face. Have you guys read any of the comments on basically any article about the verdict? Some horrible stuff being said. Also, I can't stand to watch GZ's brother being interviewed. He said, "I want to know what makes people angry enough to attack someone the way Trayvon Martin did." I just can't believe him.</p> <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: That trailer makes me cry. I'm going to try to go see the movie this week, although I know it's going to leave my heart feeling even heavier. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931584 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:23:51 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 931584@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrsbells: it's definitely not justice, and I'm not even sure it helps, but it feels like something more needs to be done. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931570 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:21:01 +0000 Mrsbells 931570@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@plantains: I know right!! :sad: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931567 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:20:21 +0000 Mrsbells 931567@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Jacks: The unfortunate thing about the civil suit is that even if they win a wrongful death case they only get money, he doesnt go to prison or anything. and he can just say he doesnt have any money,. I think that is what happened with OJ Simpson. He is another nasty piece of work, I'm glad he ended up in prison eventually </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931566 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:20:17 +0000 plantains 931566@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Jacks: thanks! I was a little worried that I let my emotions get the best of me. </p> <p>@AprilFool: thanks for sharing!</p> <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I am trying work up the courage to see that movie, but it is just so hard right now. The trailer makes me cry too. </p> <p>@Mrsbells: Exactly. How can anyone move on when this keeps happening and people keep getting away with it? What are we moving on to? I would say this is an escalation of the problem because it has gone from police shooting unarmed black kids to civilians doing it. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931533 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:07:49 +0000 Mrsbells 931533@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@plantains: I couldn't agree more. It makes me feel a little sick when people say we should move on and not talk about it. When in the history of this country has "not talking about it" been successful at achieving any progress? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931461 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:45:25 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 931461@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Meltini: There is currently a petition on Color of Change and NAACP to bring civil rights charges. There will also be a civil suit, where the burden of proof is much lower. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931390 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:19:00 +0000 Meltini 931390@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Maybe I am mistaken but did they already look into civil rights violations with this case and decide not to file any charges? I swear I read that somewhere...I'll have to look. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931224 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 07:00:56 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 931224@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p><a href="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ceVVVils8z4&#038;desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DceVVVils8z4" rel="nofollow">http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ceVVVils8z4&#038;desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DceVVVils8z4</a></p> <p>@plantains: I shudder and cry every time I see a trailer for Fruitvale Station- movie depicting Oscar Grant's murder. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/4#post-931096 Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:20:38 +0000 AprilFool 931096@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>If any one is interested here is a petition for the DOJ to file civil right charges against George Zimmerman</p> <p><a href="https://donate.naacp.org/share-the-DOJ-petition" rel="nofollow">https://donate.naacp.org/share-the-DOJ-petition</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-931065 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:59:52 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 931065@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@plantains: Great post!</p> <p>We went to the park tonight and there were a ton of people out and about. There was a set of 4 brown teen men who were handcuffed and sitting on the curb with 4 cop cars surrounding them in one spot. We passed another spot where there was a black teen who was cuffed and sitting on the curb with 3 cop cars attending to him.</p> <p>It's impossible for me to know if they were being profiled, did something wrong or not. All I know is that my faith in the system is shaken and I was VERY skeptical about how they wound up sitting on the curb cuffed on a beautiful Sunday evening. We have got to change the current norm! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-931061 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:53:28 +0000 plantains 931061@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsjazz: I feel the way you do, I am so thankful right now that I have a daughter and at the same time frightened for her. This verdict is essentially saying that black kids don't matter, that they don't deserve justice.</p> <p>I also feel saddened that people think that the media is inciting racial violence or a race war. A black kid was racially profiled, stalked and murdered. His attacker got off scot free. If ever there was a time to talk about racism and the negative effects on us I is now. </p> <p>People who have never experienced WWB can never understand what it feels like to be constantly followed, searched, denied entry to places etc all based on the colour of your skin. I draw the line at murder. Oscar Grant, Amadou Diallo, Sean Bell, Trayvon Martin...if we don't discuss it now, then when? Kudos to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson for continuing to fight. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930526 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:11:45 +0000 lomom 930526@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@grizz: absolutely. Sybrina Fulton is an amazingly strong woman. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930521 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:08:19 +0000 sorrycharlie 930521@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@grizz: completely agree. I don't have a son but I am still so sad for his family. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930517 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 17:05:05 +0000 Boheme 930517@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I see this whole situation from the standpoint of being a momma. Whether you believe it was race driven or not, you cannot dispel the fact that there is a mom out there who lost her baby boy and got no justice. As the mom of a son myself, my heart is broken for Trayvon Martin's mother. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930502 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:50:15 +0000 MrsSCB 930502@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@yoursilverlining: WOW, that is depressing. Although unfortunately not altogether surprising. Ugh. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930489 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:40:23 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 930489@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@yoursilverlining: Thank you so much for bringing data to the discussion. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930453 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 16:15:30 +0000 yoursilverlining 930453@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I don't think discussing racial inequalities in the justice system incites more violence more than a verdict like this bolsters some white "cowboys" who say things like "these a&amp;^holes, they always get away" (GZ's words) to act more violently towards groups of people they assume are criminals. </p> <p>For people who think the media has created a racial crime where none was; there never is a good time to talk about the racial inequalities in our justice system. Talk about it after a case like this - you're inciting violence. Talk about it any other time and you're race baiting. The fact is there are huge racial inequalities in our country, in our justice system, in our media; everywhere. And it isn't going to get any better until people start to talk about it all the time, and do something about it. </p> <p>There have been several studies about Stand Your Ground laws (even if this case wasn't explicitly one), and racial bias. This article is pretty good at summing up the data comparing white-on-white homicide and white-on-black homicide. A white person using SYG is 350% more likely to be found not guilty of murdering a black person than a white person who kills another white person and uses SYG. <a href="http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/07/13/stand-your-ground-laws-increases-racial-bias-in-justifiable-homicide-trials/" rel="nofollow">http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/07/13/stand-your-ground-laws-increases-racial-bias-in-justifiable-homicide-trials/</a> </p> [attach=1754/13/mpy31v.600x498.11.png] https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930389 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:05:13 +0000 mrsjazz 930389@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@septemberlove: The last thing I want is more violence, but I don't think discussing the verdict incites more violence. I've been happy to see that people in my network are discussing the verdict and what actions we can take so that something like this doesn't happen again. Something besides telling our boys that they can't wear hoodies when they go out at night.</p> <p>Sometimes I wish what @Mrsbells: said was true, that people could switch races. I'd sign up for the experiment!</p> <p>@MsMamaBear: I don't know if you follow Melissa Harris-Perry but she said something on her show that resonated with me:</p> <p>“We live in such a racially segregated country that trying to do the best thing for your kids, you think, ok, we’ll go live in the black neighborhood. We’ll live in a predominately African-American community. One of the things we know is that those communities are often plagued with crime that takes the lives of African-American children. It is the reality that most young black men, 17, 18 who die in this country from gunshot wounds, from violence die at the hands of other African-American men. So here you want to live in the community, but then you think maybe I can’t. So then maybe you move to a community like the one where Trayvon Martin’s father was living. Where you have the gated community. You feel safe letting your kid walk over at seven o’clock to the 7-11, and pick up some candy during the game. The idea that that community too is not safe, because they can be profiled and potentially victimized by violence by those who will see them as not belonging there. I don’t know that I can express, but I want to try that it begins to feel like there is no place that you can be, no choice that you can make, no home that you can buy, no place where you can put your kid in school where it is safe. And I think this is what Newtown families felt when their own beautiful little children who were sitting in their own elementary school were gunned down, and they said whoa, wait a second, what is happening in a country where you can’t be safe in an elementary school, but I think that is a feeling that is so familiar and brought home by this case for so many of us. That there is no safe place.” </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930358 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:20:54 +0000 MsMamaBear 930358@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsjazz: I know it's bad to say, but I was glad I had a daughter. Like you, I just couldn't take it if she'd have been a boy. I'll still talk to her though of course. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930296 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:24:27 +0000 daniellemybelle 930296@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I watched a bit of the trial, and I don't think the prosecution did a very good job presenting their case. The jury could not say he was guilty of the charges presented beyond a reasonable doubt. Heartbreaking, because what Zimmerman did was irrefutably wrong. I don't understand how, if you get in a fight because you stalk someone based on nothing other than their appearance, you are justified in shooting them? Why does it matter who the "aggressor" is? Zimmerman was the aggressor for starting it all to begin with, but Florida law is so broken. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930292 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:21:06 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 930292@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@septemberlove: I respectfully disagree. Inciting violence would be "go get a gun and harm people"</p> <p>Remember all those tea partiers calling for second amendment remedies? THAT is calling for violence. Asking people to think about what would be like if roles were reversed is asking people to think about the other side of things. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930290 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:17:05 +0000 lomom 930290@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrsbells: that would be eye-opening for sure! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930288 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:15:52 +0000 lomom 930288@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Jacks: I don't think speculation is unhealthy but my fear is that continuously saying the verdict would've been different had the races been switched may provoke more violence. I wish everyone could focus on trying to bring about something positive in Trayvon's name. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930277 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:05:39 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 930277@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrsbells: yes!</p> <p>@septemberlove: I think we do a lot of speculation in life and it's not an unhealthy exercise. From "what would have happened if I had done better in that class" to "what would life be like if x,y or z had happened". Is it only race that you think we shouldn't speculate about? Or everything? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930185 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:52:23 +0000 Mrsbells 930185@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Wouldnt it be something if everyone could get to switch races for a while and gain a better understanding of what it is like on the other side. I think that would really change our perceptions of what is fair </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930161 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:35:48 +0000 lomom 930161@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsjazz: I think when they sit there and talk about what if this and what if that about the races being reversed and insisting the outcome would've been different, that's not begging for peace and acceptance of the verdict. No one will ever know what would've happened if their races were reversed. They can speculate all day long but no one can say with certainty that the outcome would've been different. I'm not sure i agree with GZ walking free but the last thing I want is more violence. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930151 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:31:02 +0000 yoursilverlining 930151@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MsLipGloss: he is white. Whites can identify as Hispanic, but Hispanic is not a race. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/george-zimmerman-guilty-or-innocent/page/3#post-930138 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:26:59 +0000 mrsjazz 930138@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Jacks: Yes. I will be having that talk with my daughter, too. We've already had an incident in our neighborhood about race. It's pretty sad. </p>