https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Tue, 28 Apr 2026 01:55:12 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1611908 Sun, 04 May 2014 16:24:22 +0000 Mrs. Pinata 1611908@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Oh man! I'm so sorry! We've gotten mixed answers as well.:/ I have a few things to say right now, but have a busy few days. If I haven't written anything by the end of the week please wall me so I don't forget to respond! But mostly just sending you lots of hugs! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1603950 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:51:27 +0000 owlteach 1603950@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: im sorry. That was part of my problem with my previous ob, it wasn't just her, it was mainly her staff. This is hard enough as it is without all of the conflicting answers :( Good luck :goodluck: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1603939 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:40:31 +0000 MrsTal 1603939@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@FaithFertility: thank you! I'm so glad to see you around these boards, you give me hope! I saw you finally got some symptoms in the other thread! I am praying for you guys, hope tomorrow's ultrasound goes great!</p> <p>@owlteach: I actually already switched REs in February, and I love our new doctor but I'm not happy with the staff. I was happier with the staff at the old RE but didn't click with the doctor.. :bummed: it sucks but honestly our old RE didn't find this issue and this one did so I'm thankful for that. I'm planning on having a discussion with my doctor at our appointment next week about the staff issues we've had. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1603919 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:19:34 +0000 owlteach 1603919@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: The inability to give concrete answers is SOOO tough! I think it has easily been the hardest part of all of this. I found that finding a dr. and office that I "clicked" with has helped me to find some peace. Obviously, it hasn't solved our problem yet but I don't spend most of my time questioning the advice we've been given. This whole thing is hard enough, if you aren't happy with your provider, can you find another? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1603708 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 19:43:03 +0000 FaithFertility 1603708@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: I don't have much info, but wanted to say I am rooting for you and I know you will get the information that will lead you on your path! :heart: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1602727 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:04:34 +0000 CatchAFallingStar 1602727@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: This may also be a really good resource for you. <a href="http://www.creatingafamily.org/infertility-resources/maleinfertility.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.creatingafamily.org/infertility-resources/maleinfertility.html</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1602725 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 14:03:43 +0000 CatchAFallingStar 1602725@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: If I were you, I'd call some various IVF clinics and ask what your chances are with you DH's numbers. I think that might give you some peace of mind. I'm guessing that IVF with ICSI would solve your problem, but I know very little about it. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1602490 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:20:49 +0000 MrsTal 1602490@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@gingerbebe: I didn't think to ask if it was Krueger or WHO measurements. Guess it wouldn't matter either way, it's still really low. But thank you for that info, it helps!</p> <p>@GreenThumb: thank you! That helps. It seems like medical professionals need to get on the same page with the morphology thing.</p> <p>@Mrs Green Grass: this helps! We have been debating whether or not to do another iui (we've done one) so I think we should probably just move on. Thank you! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1602385 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:58:27 +0000 Mrs Green Grass 1602385@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>My re said they like to see 8% for morph. My husband was 4%, but it truly only takes one (which re also said). That being said, IVF with ICSI is often best with low morph. Iui doesn't make much difference (I still did 3, but kinda wish I hadn't.) IVF with ICSI worked. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1602270 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:36:56 +0000 GreenThumb 1602270@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: DH had low morphology for both SAs (&lt;0.5 first time, and 2.5 the second, all other numbers were normal) and our RE recommended IVF with ICSI. DH did also see a urologist who said that he didn't think that the low morphology warranted IVF, so the morphology thing is still a bit confusing to me, too. But since I also have a blocked tube, we didn't want two things working against us, so we did choose IVF with ICSI and had a successful pregnancy.</p> <p>Wishing you much luck moving forward!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1602102 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:53:12 +0000 gingerbebe 1602102@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: I IMed DH real quick and he said he couldn't remember the type of defect either, but he knows he got a strict morphology score of 3. </p> <p>I Googled this real quick and it says that the strict Kruger criteria is:</p> <p>~ strict morphology score over 14%: Normal; fertilizing capacity excellent.<br /> ~ strict morphology score 4-14%: Abnormal; possibly decreased or impaired fertilizing capacity.<br /> ~ strict morphology score 0-3%: Abnormal; severe impairment or probable inability to fertilize. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1602011 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:32:47 +0000 gingerbebe 1602011@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: You know, I don't remember what kind of defect it was. DH has that info. I'll try to see if I can track him down. But I know we were in the 90-something percentile range for defects and he also had worse motility than you guys. While he had like 50% motility, I remember him saying that only 15% were actually "good" swimmers. DH used to describe his boys as "lazy, dumb, and slow." Poor guy.</p> <p>Irony of ironies? We just found we're having a boy (apparently male sperm swim faster, but die sooner than girl sperm??) </p> <p>And don't worry about how you get pregnant - my only point was that defects can be overcome. We had a few MCs along the way and it took us over 2 years to even get referred to the RE. All told, it will have taken us 3 years to have a baby (20 weeks now). </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601995 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:30:16 +0000 April_Showers 1601995@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: We were trying for two years too. The pregnancy was a complete surprise because we weren't trying any longer (I was no longer using OPK's or really tracking anything). We were busy with building and purchasing our new home, and planning to move into IVF with in the next year or two so I completely understand where you are at. We were not giving it any more of our energy when there were other things we could really focus on in the meantime. I found having a plan and knowing where we were eventually headed was freeing after the initial shock and grief wore off. I could take it off my plate of things to worry about and give it to some one else.</p> <p>Our RE recommended that course of action because then they could pick the best sperm and implant them into the egg. He did a good job of explaining everything. He seemed to think that since that was our only real problem that there would be no reason that IVF was not successful. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601972 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:21:07 +0000 alohaorchid 1601972@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: I know exactly how you feel! All of the different information makes my head spin and I wish someone would just say one way or the other what exactly it means. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601960 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:19:55 +0000 MrsTal 1601960@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@April_Showers: It does help a little. I'm not sure how much longer we can really try naturally, I'm ready to move on and I think we are ready to try IVF w/ ICSI if that is what the next step is. I feel like it is, because I think morphology plays a factor and when only 1% are normally formed it seems like a poor chance. Congratulations on getting pregnant naturally! I can only hope that happens for us, but like I said, after two years it doesn't seem likely. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601942 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:16:15 +0000 MrsTal 1601942@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@spaniellove: That's true it might be. 1% of 31 million is a lot better than 1% of 15 million. That still seems really low to me, in sperm numbers of course.</p> <p>@alohaorchid: That was what I have been told too. Our first RE didn't even get a morphology report because the other numbers were good. Then we go to our IUI and the RE says that the morphology is bad and that's a big deal. I wish there was just a consensus. </p> <p>@FliegepilzHut: That's kind of what I was thinking she meant, the numbers in general were better. </p> <p>@mrs bunchy: I'm not sure, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information out there with morphology. From what I understand anything over 4% is deemed ok, but maybe it has something to do with it? I'm sorry about your miscarriages, I hope you get your sticky baby soon :goodluck: </p> <p>@mrswin: See I thought our RE felt the same way about morphology because he was saying at our IUI that DH numbers were low enough he'd recommend IVF. I get the same when I look for info on this subject, no real consensus on how morphology impacts IF. If I go with my gut, I feel like this is the answer, this is why we haven't gotten pregnant in two years. I know I'm not a doctor but it makes sense to me that if the heads aren't shaped correctly they can't get into the egg. </p> <p>@gingerbebe: If you don't mind me asking, what were the numbers and what were the defects (head, tail or midpiece) if you can recall? I want to feel hopeful but after two years it just doesn't feel like there is a possibility of natural pregnancy. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601928 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:11:42 +0000 April_Showers 1601928@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: With our RA my DH's low morphology (0-1%) got us an immediate IVF + ICSII recommendation. Our other numbers were ok (we had a slightly low count but not low enough to be a concern). DH's Urologist said that our other numbers were fine, but he did not really know how morphology played its part. He said there is not a clear answer and no one really knows how important it is. But that lots of couples get pregnant naturally if the other counts are ok, however it can take a little longer. He agreed that IUI might not be our best option though, so we started saving for IVF.</p> <p>Two months later we got pregnant naturally, so low morphology isn't really the end. It really only does take one good one, and 4.5% of 31 million is still 1.4 million good ones.</p> <p>Hope this helps a little... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601888 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:58:03 +0000 gingerbebe 1601888@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: I know its frustrating but don't get down about it. My DH got similar results when he did his SA. He had good numbers and what not, but his morphology was way off. He kept moping around saying "I'm sorry I have defective sperm" - it was so sad! But like everyone said, the numbers can balance it out. In fact, we got our BFP naturally while we were getting all our diagnostics run at the RE! Hugs and prayers for you. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601867 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:52:05 +0000 mrswin 1601867@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: I'm glad you were able to get the results. From our RE's perspective very low morphology gets an IVF recommendation right away but a lot of RE's feel that if the other numbers are higher then it will compensate for low morphology. </p> <p>From my reading there isn't a lot of research or consensus on the impact of morphology on IF. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601832 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:43:46 +0000 mrs bunchy 1601832@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>My DH had a morphology of 5% normal. That is considered low- but everything else came back great. With 2 miscarriages I am wondering if it could be caused by that- or if it really is just me? :sad: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601796 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:36:47 +0000 spaniellove 1601796@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: Not sure if I explained that well - that even though the percentage of correctly formed sperm are low, the sheer number overall is so high that 1% of the motile sperm may be as good as someone else. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601789 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:36:18 +0000 FliegepilzHut 1601789@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Maybe she was referring to the sample as a whole as "better" (which it is)? I wonder if they differentiate between different kinds of morphology issues (5% with head defects being better than 95%)... Sorry I can't be more help! :sad: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601780 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:33:58 +0000 alohaorchid 1601780@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsTal: I've heard that too... I find the whole morphology thing to be so confusing! I talked to my doctor about it and he said it's not really an issue if the other numbers are high, but when I talked to a doctor who was filling in for him he said that it is an issue. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601770 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:32:16 +0000 MrsTal 1601770@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@spaniellove: @alohaorchid: Maybe, but from most of what I have found (which to be fair isn't much), if there are head defects the sperm can't get through the coating on the egg to fertilize it. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601668 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:11:02 +0000 alohaorchid 1601668@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@spaniellove: I was wondering the same thing. My dh was told that his other counts make up for the low morphology so maybe that's why they think it's better?! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601658 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:09:29 +0000 spaniellove 1601658@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>What I'm wondering is whether his count + motility are overcoming the low morphology? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/got-dh-latest-sa-results#post-1601605 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 09:49:59 +0000 MrsTal 1601605@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Since our RE's office staff were being stupid, I drove up to the clinic before work today and got the results from Friday's SA myself. I looked through them and am blown away by what the nurse told us was "better". Overall, his numbers were better, his count was 31 million per mL, for our IUI it was 15 million per mL, viscosity was checked as slight (which is abnormal I guess?), motility was 47% last time was 43%, everything was looking great. But then I looked at the morphology, the one that we were really worried about and saw it was 1% again. The nurse told him is was better than last time but still not normal, so I assumed 3%, but 1% how is that better? 96. 5% were head defects. For our IUI 95% had head defects. </p> <p>I'm not really sure what to think right now, we have an appointment to discuss our concerns and next steps next week, but I don't know much about this. So I need some resources, I need any information that anyone has on morphology and it's effect on fertility. We want to go into this appointment prepared, having questions prepared, and knowing what we want. </p>