https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Thu, 09 Apr 2026 07:59:05 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2656095 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:36:59 +0000 catomd00 2656095@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Sketchbook: yes! Can't stand him, but his response was a hell of a lot more respectable than Trump's Twitter tantrum. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2656083 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:16:07 +0000 Mrs. Sketchbook 2656083@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Modern Daisy: gay conversion therapy disgusts me. When I think of how destructive something like that is, it crowds out my ability to think of Pence's feelings. Elections are not trophies. He accepted a responsibility, not an award. The real work begins now for him. He won the right to be criticized and picked apart for as long as he remains in public life. He seems to understand this. If he were a true conservative he would value the expression of free speech. Which he indicated he did. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2656077 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 16:13:31 +0000 pinkcupcake 2656077@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@catomd00: 😂😂😂 </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2656045 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 15:23:43 +0000 catomd00 2656045@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Modern Daisy: yes, how dare they take something away from Pence's special night as he has tried to take basic human rights away from people. </p> <p>@sotofamilia: couldn't agree more! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2656002 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 14:29:52 +0000 sotofamilia 2656002@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think this was a total distraction from other bigger issues and the media/general public have played right into his hands. I seriously doubt Trump was really offended by the speech, but I do think he saw a perfect opportunity to distract people from the fraud lawsuit and his recent appointments. He's a lot more media savvy than people give him credit for - he knows how to control a news cycle. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2655962 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:58:52 +0000 Modern Daisy 2655962@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Sketchbook: well, I may talk slow but the way I always saw it the social critique was part of the act, not a rambly speech made after the show addressing our new Vice President specifically.</p> <p>@ShootingStar: the way you just described it makes it sound like they were innocently conversing with a terrible, dangerous man. I just don't agree with that. I think they were being immature and taking away from what was supposed to be a special night for a lot of people, including OUR new Vice President and his family. Since you know, he just won a national election. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2655919 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 13:25:29 +0000 pinkcupcake 2655919@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Sketchbook: artistic social critique is a no-no, but it's acceptable to talk about grabbing a woman'S pussy because it's locker room talk and 99.9% of men either say it or think it. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2655882 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:27:25 +0000 Mrs. Sketchbook 2655882@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@808love: I hope it does! I'm a big music lover and have noticed recently there is a negative reaction fans have when artists get political. And yet rock and roll was built as a counter culture movement. And the most famous and successful pop musicians have always toyed with or flagrantly rejected social norms. Heck, Bob Dylan won the Nobel this year and isn't even showing up to accept the award. Without some element of social critique, art stops being art and becomes pure entertainment. I'm an English teacher so this stuff matters to me. Sometimes English class is the only place my students get to engage these big question. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2655858 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 12:07:28 +0000 ShootingStar 2655858@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Modern Daisy: Can you talk more about why you think it was in poor taste? From my point of view, a man who ran on an anti-immigrant, anti-diversity platform went to see a live play centered around those concepts and how our country was built on immigrants. They then said they were happy he joined them and they were scared, and would he support their interests too.</p> <p>It would be different if their message was rude, or if they were the ones booing him. But I think the question they asked him was valid. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2655835 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 11:47:59 +0000 dagret 2655835@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I just finished "Lady Bird," a biography of Lady Bird Johnson. Artists have been criticizing politicians for quite some time. I was struck by the parallels to the Hamilton criticism to this story from the biography: Eartha Kitt criticized the Johnson administration at a White House luncheon, to Lady Bird's FACE, and was basically blackballed from working in the US and investigated by the CIA. Kitt said, "For years I went along with the idea that entertainers should not get involved with politics. Today, I realize that because of our contact with the public, we have to speak out, to make those who are responsible more aware of what is happening where they perhaps cannot see. Particularly someone like myself, who has lived the life of poverty.” </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2655780 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:54:50 +0000 nana87 2655780@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think it was a respectful and powerful message from the cast, and like others said the theater and art more generally are vitally important venues for political commentary. I do think this was a distraction from much more important stories like the Trump court settlement.</p> <p>But, this response made me spit out my coffee... </p> [attach=1484/16/oh1w7f.337x600.IMG_7883.PNG] https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2655726 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:12:12 +0000 808love 2655726@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Sketchbook: I think the cast sent a clear message and set a precedent for future theater visits. :) Using the platform in this way will likely gain momentum by others in the artistic theater community. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2655723 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:09:35 +0000 Mrs. Sketchbook 2655723@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@808love: I also have to question whether or not the purpose of art is to entertain or bring enjoyment. I think there may be a difference between art and entertainment. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2655716 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 10:01:39 +0000 Mrs. Sketchbook 2655716@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@808love: well, the whole premise of Hamilton is social criticism so truly (not being snarky) I have to question Pence's judgement in attending at all. </p> <p>My students are reading The Crucible right now and it has really sowed in me a deep appreciation for those artists and scientists who were willing to be blacklisted, of imprisoned, in order to advance social justice. I don't know who this person was but I know the theatre community in general has been a cultural touchstone for many marginalized groups. I think that person must have known he had a once in a lifetime opportunity to speak in defense of his community. I thought it was extremely brave and totally in keeping with the spirit of the play. </p> <p>Hilary has the popular vote by 1.7 million. The Republicans have control of all branches of government. There is no "tasteful" way to express your dissent at this point. People like myself, blues in a red state, knew from the outset that their vote would have no value. There are a lot of disenfranchised voices out there. I would expect more tasteless displays as long as the Republicans have total control and the language they are using is so extreme, and the cabinet appointments continue to be extreme. Speaking out via art is one of the only channels of communication some people have now. </p> <p>The cast of Hamilton deserves their platform by virtue of the success they've had in their work. I know many Christians businesses that are up front about their beliefs. I know several that are named after biblical verses (I live down south). I don't think of that as tasteless? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate/page/2#post-2655708 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:49:01 +0000 808love 2655708@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Adira: Yes, will edit to post-performance. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655698 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:45:14 +0000 Adira 2655698@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@808love: They didn't alter the performance at all. They addressed Pence after the show was over as he (and others) were leaving. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655691 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:37:34 +0000 808love 2655691@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Sketchbook: Was this the first time the social critique occurred where they altered the post-performance to address a specific audience member? I've enjoyed watching plays with my family for decades and understand the venue but this is a different situation than just watching it. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655683 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:31:45 +0000 Mrs. Sketchbook 2655683@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Modern Daisy: In what sense was it low? Art has always been a vehicle for social critique. Hamilton is a play about social critique. Pence seems to understand this better than his supporters.</p> <p>ETA: If we've gotten to the point that artistic social critique is considered "in poor taste," there is no real free speech left. Yes, we can speak, but people cannot tolerate it, so what's the point? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655673 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:22:30 +0000 yoursilverlining 2655673@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@looch: I would guess/hope he'll be advised against it; though what good will that do? He can't even control himself not to lash out at length about a comedy show or a broadway play. Imagine what happens when a world leader does something? Yikes. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655670 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:18:59 +0000 looch 2655670@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@yoursilverlining: I wonder if he'll be advised against it or not...considering his advisors didn't let him use it in the days before the election. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655669 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:17:54 +0000 yoursilverlining 2655669@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@looch: He gets control of the @POTUS account.......(though I suspect he'll just continue to use his own current account) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655667 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:14:59 +0000 looch 2655667@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I am just curious about one thing though, what is going to come of Trump and his Twitter account once he's inagurated? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655665 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 09:12:49 +0000 808love 2655665@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Personally, I think Trump is using his influence to stand up for his friend on Twitter. I am not sure if it is a maneuver. My coworkers/friends would stick up for me in a situation like that so I think that he was just doing his typical gesture of grandeur. Mainstream media and their audience will follow the grey area human interest story more at length than a clear cut decision made by officials. I am sure other outlets are covering the settlement in detail. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655646 Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:43:05 +0000 Modern Daisy 2655646@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>The booing was shameful, immature and disrespectful and the cast speech was in very poor taste. Im so glad that it kind of backfired on them because of Pence's mature response. They went low, he went high. And if this really is a distraction generated by Trump - good for him. I doubt it is though. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655582 Mon, 21 Nov 2016 21:46:55 +0000 daniellemybelle 2655582@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrbee: Gosh, you're so right.</p> <p>I think the booing isn't that cool, honestly, but I'm not into booing at all, really. </p> <p>I thought the remarks from the cast were perfectly appropriate. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655472 Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:33:49 +0000 sunny 2655472@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: @mrbee: check out the latest post by Marc Cuban. It is basically saying "yep, we in the media have played right into his hands". </p> <p><a href="http://blogmaverick.com" rel="nofollow">http://blogmaverick.com</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655466 Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:23:09 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2655466@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrbee: in that case the media needs not to take the Trump bait! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655463 Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:10:50 +0000 Finfan 2655463@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>One wonders if Mr. Pence didn't anticipate something like this? It's a political show after all. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655459 Mon, 21 Nov 2016 17:05:35 +0000 mrbee 2655459@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Pretty sure that Trump generated this Hamilton storyline in order to distract people from the controversial Cabinet appointments he's been making. The NYT had the Hamilton story as the #1 story for a full day, pushing down the other stories and giving CNN/Fox something to talk about instead of his Cabinet appointments.</p> <p>He's really good at generating reality TV-style storylines whenever he wants a break from coverage of a particular story (like his Cabinet). He did it over and over in the primaries and the general, and it looks like he will keep it up in coming months and years! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/hamilton-cast-message-to-pence-appropriate#post-2655370 Mon, 21 Nov 2016 15:17:53 +0000 LaughLines 2655370@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>all Trump had to say was "we do plan to make american great again for everyone" instead of perpetuating the "us vs them" mentality of saying THEY need to apologize. </p> <p>If he would have used twitter to say a message of unity rather than start a petty fight over people calmly and respectfully expressing their valid concerns then it would have been a non-event or even a positive that trump was starting to show the unity he talked about in his acceptance speech. </p> <p>The fact that he can't control his petty emotions to think through the result of his words is scary. This is just one example, but there will be many more, and some will have much greater consequences than making him look like he's picking a fight with theater-actors. If he continues to react like this his whole presidency, he could be taken to be picking a fight with countries, which would not go well for anyone. </p>