https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Tue, 21 Apr 2026 03:27:48 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/6#post-2052010 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:39:46 +0000 MrsSCB 2052010@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@honeybear: It says in the second paragraph that he called them "good".... Of course vaccine injuries happen, but describing them as "many" and referring to them causing "mental disorders" directly plays into the unfounded fears re: vaccines and autism, something a doctor should know not to do. Anyway, we're obviously coming at this from very different perspectives, and I don't want to derail the thread any further, but rest assured I have actually read his comments and watched the full interview and still hold the same opinion. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/6#post-2051915 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:09:26 +0000 honeybear 2051915@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: He acknowledged that there are injuries that have occurred as a result of vaccines. That's a fact and it's not "irresponsible" to acknowledge it. If anyone is being irresponsible here, it's the NBC writer who failed to note that he also said it was a good idea to take vaccines. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/6#post-2051899 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:01:33 +0000 Mrs Green Grass 2051899@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@dc yoga bee: I saw that then other day. It's so powerful perspective since his daughter died of measles and his son is autistic. </p> <p>There have been two cases of measles at Santa Monica HS. Luckily mine here yet (at schools). </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/6#post-2051878 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:44:01 +0000 MrsSCB 2051878@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@honeybear: It is in no way slanted. The Washington Post also includes this quote: "He said that he has heard stories of children who developed "profound mental disorders" after being vaccinated. Paul did not say which vaccines those children had received." It is irresponsible to imply that vaccinations lead to profound mental disorders, especially without any actual details or facts to back it up. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/6#post-2051875 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:41:19 +0000 honeybear 2051875@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: That is some impressively slanted reporting by NBC. You'd think there was an election coming up or something.</p> <p>Here's a more complete version of what Paul said, with an accurate headline: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/02/02/rand-paul-m-d-says-most-vaccines-should-be-voluntary/" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/02/02/rand-paul-m-d-says-most-vaccines-should-be-voluntary/</a></p> <p>“While I think it’s a good idea to take the vaccine, I think that’s a personal decision for individual’s to take,” Paul said. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/6#post-2051860 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:32:26 +0000 MrsSCB 2051860@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Danizaur: That is awful. I feel for those parents, what a terrible situation.</p> <p>@dc yoga bee: that broke my heart. How quickly we forget the way things used to be :-(</p> <p>Side note: I also saw this earlier today and...it infuriates me. He needs his medical license revoked, stat (assuming he still has one). This is so dangerously irresponsible, especially given current events, and he needs to stop immediately. <a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/rand-paul-vaccines-can-lead-mental-disorders-n298821" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/rand-paul-vaccines-can-lead-mental-disorders-n298821</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/6#post-2051822 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:59:07 +0000 Smurfette 2051822@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/health/measles-how-bad-can-it-be/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/02/health/measles-how-bad-can-it-be/index.html</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/6#post-2051814 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:48:56 +0000 dc yoga bee 2051814@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Did anyone see this article about Roald Dahl's letter about his daughter who died from measles :( ? </p> <p><a href="http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6596032" rel="nofollow">http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6596032</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2051797 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:36:05 +0000 Littlebit 2051797@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Danizaur: WHAT THE FUCK! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2051786 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:29:14 +0000 blackbird 2051786@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@LBee: Baby massages? Champagne? Sounds just like it. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2051772 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:19:27 +0000 LBee 2051772@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@blackbird: Plus they say being in quarantine is like a day at the spa. Right?? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2051766 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:15:36 +0000 blackbird 2051766@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Danizaur: And i'm sure all those parents have 2 weeks of vacation to stay home with their quarantined kids, no biggie. i would cut someone. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2051764 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:14:29 +0000 artsyfartsy 2051764@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I meant to post this here but accidentally posted it on the inactive thread. Sorry for the cross posting</p> <p>A baby in a daycare in Santa Monica contracted the measles. Supposedly the baby is under a year and too young for the vaccine. They've quarantined all the other babies for 21 days. Apparently another older student at the same school where the daycare is located had contracted it.<br /> Poor baby.</p> <p><a href="http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/02/02/49604/santa-monica-day-care-center-closed-after-baby-get/" rel="nofollow">http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/02/02/49604/santa-monica-day-care-center-closed-after-baby-get/</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2040586 Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:18:07 +0000 Mrs Green Grass 2040586@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@jedeve: I was actually just reading an article that anecdotes are more powerful than evidence - it's definitely can be both good and bad! Most of us don't even consider a situation like that. Thanks for sharing. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2040514 Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:54:53 +0000 yoursilverlining 2040514@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@toile234: Thank you for sharing this information! Very interesting, and another bolster of why we vaccinate. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2040422 Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:10:52 +0000 jedeve 2040422@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>My perspective on HepB: my grandmother was a nurse and got it from a needle stick when she was pregnant with my dad. It's a very different disease is you are born with it than if you contract it later, granted, but it nearly killed him. So I was like "yes vaccinate ASAP if we are in a place with needles!" But again that's anecdote trumping evidence for you! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2039666 Sun, 25 Jan 2015 18:37:40 +0000 littleblessings 2039666@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>A measles case was confirmed in Michigan. They are unsure whether it's related to the Disneyland outbreak or not. This mama is locking her family up in a bubble </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2039631 Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:44:00 +0000 erinpye 2039631@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@toile234: we also chose to wait and do hep B when our kids are older, but I really appreciate your perspective and info on the matter. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2039556 Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:45:11 +0000 littlejoy 2039556@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@toile234: Didn't assume you were trying to start anything. We are confident in the choices we make, and I'm always open to questions or considerations. I try not to assume someone is uninformed when making decisions for their family, because we put great care into ours. :) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2039549 Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:26:50 +0000 toile234 2039549@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@littlejoy: again, wasn't trying to start anything, just providing some facts that a lot of people don't realize. I agree, the risk is low, and you should do what you feel is best. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2039547 Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:23:32 +0000 littlejoy 2039547@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@toile234: I'm making choices that are best for my child, and giving her the hep B vaccine at birth was not something we would consider. We had a home birth, and we were not in the risk category. After we started her vaccine schedule, we talked about when it made sense for her to get it, and we're comfortable with our decision. </p> <p>My point was that blindly following guidelines without research and choosing for YOUR family is hard for me to understand. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2039546 Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:20:10 +0000 toile234 2039546@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@littlejoy: coming out of lurkdom to say that hep b is found in saliva as well, though it's currently not thought to be spread by saliva contact. It's the disease I worry the most about as a dentist and have my titers checked religiously (hep c ties), as the transmission rate even through a glove is high. Not trying to start anything, but claiming that your child isn't at risk because they don't hang out with dirty needles isn't entirely accurate, and they are finding that there are a high number of individuals from the baby boomer era that have hep b that was never diagnosed, and they aren't just health care professionals. My most recent Osha/infection control continuing education course went over this new finding in depth. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2036102 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:59:07 +0000 Mrs Green Grass 2036102@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@coopsmama: I understand. I always type fast on my phone. I'm non-immune to rubella too. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2036035 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:29:02 +0000 MrsSCB 2036035@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@jedeve: I think you make a great point. Well, a lot of them, haha, but specifically I'm referring to the personal stories. Like you, I tend to be much more data-minded, so it kind of drives me crazy how many people seem to rely on, "well my uncle's brother's cousin had x happen so obviously vaccines (or sub anything here) are bad." "Anecdote is not singular for data" and all that. But I get that dramatic/scary/sad stories hold a lot of weight, and it can be hard to hear a terrible story and think, "but that only happens 1 percent of the time, so I'll probably be fine." </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2036003 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:18:07 +0000 FliegepilzHut 2036003@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@jedeve: Again, you make great points! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2035990 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:14:46 +0000 jedeve 2035990@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think the personal example thing is important. No matter how much the data analyst in me (I have a degree in public health and worked in public policy!) wants to tell people about science and facts, they just don't convince people (which is backed up by evidence, lol). </p> <p>"Back in the day," everyone would have known someone, or had a friend of a cousin, or had seen in the paper someone who would have died or suffered a complication from a vaccine preventable illness. And that's what would have convinced them to get the vaccine. Now it's so rare (except when outbreaks return) what people perceive to be the "real" threat is the risk of exposure to "toxins" since we hear about that all the time. </p> <p>It's kind of a catch-22. If anti-vaxers talk about the very very rare vaccine complications, they are accused of fear mongering. And if pro-vaxers highlight the complications from vaccine preventable diseases they are also accused of fear mongering. But decades of science clearly comes down saying that vaccines are safe and beneficial doe the population. However, that doesn't convince everyone since people by and large are more swayed by personal experience. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2035926 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:56:33 +0000 coopsmama 2035926@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Kemma: I agree. I was actually surprised by the response I got last night because I have an interest in vaccines and vaccine safety and have asked lots of non-vaxxers why they've made the choices they have and I had never before met someone in person who cited vaccine injury as a reason why. Most people that I've asked who are choosing not to vaccinate seem to do so because they are nervous about the long term effects of the current vaccine schedule and not necessarily what happens immediately following the shot. But obviously the group I've asked is rather limited in size. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2035909 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:51:14 +0000 coopsmama 2035909@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@littlejoy: Thanks. :) And haha I don't know about super momming, half the time I don't feel like I have it together but we have lots of fun and there is lots of love in our home so it's worth it! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2035856 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:35:51 +0000 FliegepilzHut 2035856@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@jedeve: Yes! :happy: Hear, hear! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/measles-outbreak-in-socal-related-to-disneyland/page/5#post-2035852 Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:34:32 +0000 Kemma 2035852@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@coopsmama: as a sort of offshoot to your last paragraph, I would be genuinely interested to know how many of those families who choose not to vaccinate have been personally touched by a vaccine injury or reaction severer than the average. Because I can understand being very conflicted and afraid of something that has had such an effect on somebody within my circle of family and friends! </p>