https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Sun, 10 May 2026 17:10:10 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414642 Sat, 09 Jan 2016 00:01:04 +0000 MoonMoon 2414642@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: you're right. I'm watching this a second time through, and it's so clear now that that press conference sealed the deal for both Avery and Dassey. So over the top theatrical (breaking news! Don't let the kids watch! Kratz seeming to get choked up!) And the fact that NONE of that info was ever brought up in Avery's trial, but it still must have weighed heavily on the jury. Unconscionable. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414078 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 14:08:07 +0000 Mrs D 2414078@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think it also shines an interesting light on ethical responsibilities in the media.</p> <p>For me, that press conference they had after Brendan confessed is such an appalling violation of a 16 year olds right to be presumed innocent (along with a 44 year old).</p> <p>I'm disgusted that the DA would think it was appropriate to go into that detail given the audience - and then to have a jury selected from that audience. But I also cant help but question the media outlets who thought it was appropriate to air such a violation of civil liberties.</p> <p>I get it, the media has to keep up with the Jones's and if channel 2 is going to air it then 4 and 7 have to just to keep up. But what if, just magically, they all had a conscience check and none of them aired it?</p> <p>Just disturbing on so many levels. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414072 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 14:01:26 +0000 Ajsmommy 2414072@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@lawbee11: I agree 100%, I guess I am just really surprised by how "surprised" everyone is about some of the stuff that happened. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414071 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:58:14 +0000 lawbee11 2414071@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ajsmommy: It has to start somewhere. It can't be that either a documentary is made about everyone or no one. I think MaM has opened so many eyes to the flaws in the criminal justice system (as did Serial), and I think it's a great starting point. Personally I'd rather people be obsessed and talking about this than the Bachelor or Keeping up with the Kardashians. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414069 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:55:08 +0000 .twist. 2414069@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ajsmommy: While I feel bad that every story can't be documented and researched to death to prove a truthful verdict, I am really happy that these documents are being made about anyone. It REALLY puts pressure on people to do their jobs properly, because they could end up the next steven avery case. So, while there are a lot of people who don't get the limelight, the problem as a whole is getting a lot of attention and a lot of people are demanding a healthier system. Which, in and of itself, will be helpful for future trials/cases/etc.</p> <p>eta: or maybe I'm too optimistic? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414065 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:50:54 +0000 Ajsmommy 2414065@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: I have to agree that it's pretty crazy that this was all documented as it was. But it also makes me feel sad for those people who deal with the same thing but nobody was filming their fight/struggles so they go unnoticed and unspoken for. </p> <p>The thought that anyone could believe that only guilty people go to prison or jail just boggles my mind. Maybe I am jaded or maybe I have witnessed laws, courts, the judicial system, attorneys in action but I can assure you I do not trust the legal system.</p> <p>@MoonMoon: as far as the awakening in this country I fully suspect that has a lot to do with technology and the media. </p> <p>As stated above the idea that nothing bad would happen to an innocent person in our system is ludicrous to me, but that is just my opinion. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414051 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:34:33 +0000 MoonMoon 2414051@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ajsmommy: I think there's a great awakening in this country in the last year or two that cops and the justice system are imperfect and biased and we need more knowledge and oversight. And to answer your question, I think plenty of people think that only guilty people go to prison, nothing bad would ever happen to an innocent person, that LE would never be in the wrong, and that everything is black and white. Unfortunately. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414050 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:33:04 +0000 .twist. 2414050@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ajsmommy: I see this type of comment come up a lot for certain media sensations. I think a big thing is that it's at our finger tips. Of course this stuff happens on a regular basis. How many of those things are documented, the way this has been? </p> <p>I don't think anyone [edit:here] doubts that there is corruption in the system, but we don't always hear about it, or how bad it is, on a regular basis, or even in this manner.</p> <p>I do agree with moonmoon that there probably ARE people out there who think the system is totally just. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414038 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:23:35 +0000 Mrs D 2414038@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Greentea: Oh for sure...there are bad apples in every profession. Just terrifying when you see it with someones life literally on the line. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414027 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:16:30 +0000 Greentea 2414027@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ajsmommy: I think it is because it DOES happen that it is so upsetting and necessary to at least *try* to critically examine in our society. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2414020 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:12:32 +0000 Ajsmommy 2414020@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I am only on episode 2 and I haven't seen Brendan yet however I am curious as to why everyone is sooooo into this. I mean do people think that all the people in jail/prison are guilty? Like not even one guilty person got off? So in turn why is it so far fetched that there would be some innocent people who get convicted? And the concept of corrupt police officers/attorneys/judges is everywhere.. I mean do people really think it only happens in Hollywood movies? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2413995 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:57:12 +0000 winter_wonder 2413995@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.Twist. : So, so sad :( And then when the mom said she got him another cat who was waiting for him when he got out. I have a lump in my throat just thinking about it.</p> <p>@TemperanceBrennan: How do people sleep at night?! Honestly...it was painfully obvious he had no idea what was going on. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2413987 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:49:15 +0000 .twist. 2413987@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@TemperanceBrennan: "he cut her hair" omg kid. You do not even have the mental capacity to think of shooting someone in the head. :( :( :( Cutting someone's hair seemed THAT BAD to him. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2413982 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:44:11 +0000 TemperanceBrennan 2413982@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: @winter_wonder: Yes! That part really got to me too. When they keep pestering him with "something with the head, something with the head..." it was painfully obvious he had no idea what they wanted him to say, but was TRYING to tell them what they wanted to hear. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2413977 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:42:06 +0000 .twist. 2413977@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@winter_wonder: Oh man. I was honestly in tears through his phone calls/interrogations. That poor kid. Or, how he thought it was cool that his lawyer and him had the same favourite animal. Like, that made him an okay guy. He likes the same animal as me so I guess I can trust him! :( </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2413968 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:37:00 +0000 winter_wonder 2413968@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@cascademom: Is your mom open to watching the documentary? I would just be curious how her opinion of his guilt changes/does not change after watching.</p> <p>I definitely agree with other posters who talked about how sad it was to watch Brendan. It was hard to hear him ask his mom what "inconsistent" meant and his mom said she didn't know either :sad: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/3#post-2413954 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:26:48 +0000 MoonMoon 2413954@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: isn't it horrible? The parts about Brendan just kill me. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2413938 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:12:26 +0000 Greentea 2413938@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: there are plenty of bad attorneys that have passed the bar! And other states had this practice as well, thought I think they have all changed in the last few years. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2413881 Fri, 08 Jan 2016 11:28:28 +0000 .twist. 2413881@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MoonMoon: Honestly, when you watch the video of Brendan and his lawyers Private Investigator, you almost wonder if they aren't involved with the state some how. What is a defense attorney doing trying to prove GUILT when they should be providing DEFENCE. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410268 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 14:51:37 +0000 MoonMoon 2410268@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: Brendan's lawyer may have been bad, but I'd also believe it if it turned out he was working with the prosecution to secure a guilty verdict. So yeah, incompetent, or evil. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410234 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 14:23:42 +0000 ValentineMommy 2410234@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I'm on the second to last episode. OMG. Brendan's trial....I can't. It's literally making me sick. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410191 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:44:07 +0000 Mrs D 2410191@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Greentea: @MoonMoon: @TemperanceBrennan: @cascademom: So interesting...and appealing to attend one of those schools. DH practices primarily in federal court - which I think would require the bar no matter what...so doesnt impact him.</p> <p>He made the comment when I asked how Brendans atty could be SO bad...I was irrate.... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410178 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:35:59 +0000 Greentea 2410178@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@cascademom: @TemperanceBrennan: Yeah, I didn't realize Wisco still did diploma privilege, I don't have a problem with it! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410172 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:30:22 +0000 cascademom 2410172@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@TemperanceBrennan: @Greentea: @Mrs D: My sister in law went to UW Madison for her law degree and didn't have to take the bar about 10 or so years ago. My brother went to an out of state law school and took the bar exam in Wisconsin. They both practice in the state. Again, don't know if that's changed, but that's how two of my family members got licensed to practice in the state. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410160 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:21:14 +0000 TemperanceBrennan 2410160@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: @Greentea: From what I understand, you only get diploma privilege if you graduate from Marquette or UW Law School. And then, it is only to practice in Wisconsin. If you go to a different school (in or out of state) or you want to practice outside of Wisconsin, you have to take the bar. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410159 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:19:42 +0000 MoonMoon 2410159@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: I think they said if you graduate from UW or Marquette, you don't have to take the bar. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410152 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:10:32 +0000 Greentea 2410152@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: Is that true? I didn't realize they still had diploma privilege. I lived in another state and you only had to graduate from the law school and not pass the bar, but they changed that in recent years. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410140 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:03:03 +0000 Mrs D 2410140@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>We are on episode 5 right now...</p> <p>I wondered if I would get DH into it...as a criminal defense attorney he can sometimes get "bored" with watching shows about what he does all day. And then sometimes he just gets annoyed with how other attorney's present something. But he is totally into it now.</p> <p>We are only 5 episodes in (I think) but DH is just baffled and I am just crushed by everything with poor Brendan. Its just so sad. He said he had told his dad to watch it - his dad is a 35+ year criminal defense atty who is extremely involved in the "ethics" side of legal representation. After some of what we have seen he told his dad he better not watch it for fear his head would explode.</p> <p>BTW - he told me last night that in Wisc (right? not Minn?) you dont take a bar exam...just graduate law school and can practice. Crazy! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410123 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:45:50 +0000 sheskrafty 2410123@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>We finished this last night. The more I think about it, the angrier I get. I understand why someone would point the finger at Avery (not that I agree with that logic at all) but how could you put Dassey away for that long? It makes my head explode. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/netflix-documentary-making-a-murderer/page/2#post-2410047 Tue, 05 Jan 2016 11:53:19 +0000 MoonMoon 2410047@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>In case anyone is so moved, there are 2 petitions started for Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey.</p> <p>White House: <a href="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-steven-avery-and-brendan-dassey-their-alleged-involvement-murder-teresa-halbach" rel="nofollow">https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-steven-avery-and-brendan-dassey-their-alleged-involvement-murder-teresa-halbach</a></p> <p>Change.org<br /> <a href="https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-united-states-free-steven-avery" rel="nofollow">https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-united-states-free-steven-avery</a> </p>