https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Sat, 09 May 2026 01:53:05 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal/page/2#post-1336391 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:18:42 +0000 lioneyes 1336391@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>he's also on record as having a discussion about the lane closures with new york's gov. cuomo as early as mid-december, so he's clearly lying about this whole thing being news to him. </p> <p>watching him flail around and try to deny the coverup is so much worse than admitting he did it. but i am happy to watch him sink himself, especially after the way he has treated teachers and lower income people in the state. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal/page/2#post-1336036 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:36:03 +0000 jedeve 1336036@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@pui: I think if a low level employee goes nutso then yeah that's not your fault. But if your top aide is doing something illegal because they think it's what you would want, leadership is failing. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal/page/2#post-1335985 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:25:19 +0000 yoursilverlining 1335985@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Here’s a real quick read highlighting several other accusations of “political retribution” CC has faced over the last several years. </p> <p>Basically, this ain’t his first time at the petty, bulling rodeo.<br /> <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/home/2014/01/09/3141001/aide-fired-vendetta/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/home/2014/01/09/3141001/aide-fired-vendetta/</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal/page/2#post-1335670 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:13:25 +0000 spaniellove 1335670@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@plantains: Yes, how could I have forgotten that one?! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal/page/2#post-1335666 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:11:49 +0000 MrsSCB 1335666@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@plantains: Yes x 1 million. The way he has treated teachers on numerous occasions is despicable. As if we don't disrespect them enough already by paying them such low wages to teach our children. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal/page/2#post-1335625 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:01:51 +0000 plantains 1335625@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@spaniellove: Also, the way he disrespected and dismissed NJ teachers and public service employees in townhall meetings was so disgraceful to me, I have never been able to see him as anything other than a rude bully. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal/page/2#post-1335607 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:56:19 +0000 MsLipGloss 1335607@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>He knew. Plausible deniability is a myth. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal/page/2#post-1335599 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:55:03 +0000 spaniellove 1335599@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@shortcake: The cursing and calling everything stupid thing is getting old, really fast. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal/page/2#post-1335587 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:53:15 +0000 spaniellove 1335587@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I too respect some of the things he has done for our state. I also remember in the recent reelection campaign that one of the issues was how much he was into backing those who supported him and punishing those who didn't....more so than usual for politics. The woman who ran against him never had a chance. I absolutely think he knew about this incident and his response to the incident has been a disappointment to me. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335563 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:47:01 +0000 MrsSCB 1335563@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@beaker: Right? And even on the off-chance he didn't know about this particular incident, this is obviously the culture he has developed among his staff. IMO, that still makes him liable. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335553 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:45:54 +0000 Mrs. Tiger 1335553@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: omg, that article! Does not sound like someone you want to work for. Also makes me think even more that he must have known. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335539 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:38:12 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 1335539@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@shortcake: sounds like you have studied him way more than I have. I was very pleased when you publicly spoke out against naysayers when he appointed a Muslim to the NJ bench. While Bush spoke a lot about so called family values (anti gay, anti women's rights) there wasn't much traction on the legislative front. Now the climate is different in Congress and I wouldn't want to take a chance on something like that either. Appreciate the breakdown. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335538 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:38:02 +0000 MrsSCB 1335538@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>As a former NJ resident, I don't believe for one second he didn't know. First of all, it's completely in line with his personality. Second, why would an aide stick her neck out to do this if she wasn't going to get credit for it from Christie? If it was intended to be revenge on his behalf, wouldn't she want him to know about it? Regardless, he doesn't look good either way. Either he's obsessed with getting petty revenge, or he's not paying enough attention to what's going on in the state he's supposed to be managing. This traffic jam was a big deal. If he wasn't aware that the bridge was supposed to be closed, why wouldn't he have spent more time looking into it when it happened? It just doesn't add up.</p> <p>If you're interested in reading more about his vengeful personality, this is a great article: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/25/nyregion/accounts-of-petty-retribution-reinforce-christies-bullying-image.html?hpw&#038;rref=nyregion&#038;_r=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/25/nyregion/accounts-of-petty-retribution-reinforce-christies-bullying-image.html?hpw&#038;rref=nyregion&#038;_r=0</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335529 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:33:08 +0000 plantains 1335529@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@shortcake: cosigned. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335522 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:30:25 +0000 shortcake 1335522@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think he is too brash, too heavy/unhealthy and I think there are major skeletons in the closet which is why the Romney team vetted him and decided to nominate Ryan as VP instead. I think being "direct" is different from being diplomatic. He has no tact, is not an ambassador for anything other than himself and is deeply narcissistic, vengeful and petty and his style is very northeast (similar to Guilanni). He is a good actor, but that only goes so far when you seek a national nomination. i do respect some things he has done and I genuinely believe he wants what is best for NJ, but he has been gunning for higher office the past few years and has shaped much of his public image for that light. He fools people with his "tell-it-like-it-is" routine. He tells you just what he wants you to hear. Politically, his stance on gay marriage and other civil rights was abysmal and I can't see how democrats will overlook his record on women's' issues. I am a democrat and would never vote for Christie under any circumstances. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335451 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:07:09 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 1335451@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@shortcake: why do you think so? I'm a Democrat and would vote for Christie under certain circumstances. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335325 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:23:55 +0000 shortcake 1335325@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>He had absolute knowledge of what his staff was doing. Political retribution is not a ploy a staffer just comes up with on their own. There is probably no hard evidence to connect him to spelling it out for them, but it is his bullying attitude towards his political opponents that his staff was perpetuating. That being said, he is a good politician and his "directness" is refreshing (even if it is just a page out of the political playbook) but he is unelectable in a general election. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335321 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:22:58 +0000 2PeasinaPod 1335321@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mae: I'm like you!</p> <p>I'm a democrat and used to really hate Chris Christie...but I have to say, he's grown on me quite a bit in the last year. I believe him when he said he didn't know the full reasoning behind the closure. I think once it was uncovered (it happened back in September, but the emails didn't come out until this week) he took all of the appropriate actions to try and rectify.</p> <p>He apologized, admitted that he is fully responsible for his staff and fired the people involved. I think it's hard for a politician to admit when he's wrong and something unacceptable happened under his watch. I respect the guy... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335296 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:17:01 +0000 plantains 1335296@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@travellingbee: I also hate the fact that this took place back in September and he is only issuing an apology now. Way to own it/get in front of the problem! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335283 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:15:12 +0000 travellingbee 1335283@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@plantains: exactly. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335278 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:14:08 +0000 plantains 1335278@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think he absolutely knew about it. I don't think he necessarily ordered them to do that, but I believe he told them to take care of it and this was the outcome. No way such high up staffers would have done something like that if that wasn't the pervasive culture in the workplace. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335266 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:11:47 +0000 yerpie110 1335266@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: or needing a bathroom!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335249 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:08:37 +0000 lovehoneybee 1335249@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think at best Christie was willfully ignorant, or he's dumb as a brick. He didn't bother to ask why his appointees to the Port Authority were quitting? Or curious about the content of the emails being subpoenaed? Did he just shrug his shoulders and decide he'd wait until he read about it in the paper? </p> <p>I think he was involved somehow, whether it be an order or just closing his eyes and covering his ears I don't know. But the other option is that he has absolutely no control over his staff, or was completely ignorant, and I don't view Christie as either ignorant nor a push-over....</p> <p>If he knew ANYTHING about it and didn't stop it, and let that mess continue, then he's just as culpable as the staffers, imo. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335233 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:04:39 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 1335233@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@yerpie110: four hours geesh! I'd be so worried about running out of gas. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335226 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:03:23 +0000 pui 1335226@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@jedeve: Eh I don't think that is completely fair. We do our best to hire good people for our company, and so far we haven't been burned. If one of them, say, slashed a client's tires we would of course apologize for his actions and fire him immediately. I don't think it would be fair to hold us responsible for something am employee did by himself. I would expect for example that the client would go after our former employee for the damages and to be charged for their crimes, not us.</p> <p>Of course it's a whole other bag of worms if we told him to slash the tires. Also, I would completely understand that client leaving and never coming back. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335202 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:58:48 +0000 Mae 1335202@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I'm a hardcore democrat but from what I've seen (this week and in the past) I have respect for Gov. Christie and I believe him when he says he didn't know. His staff obviously made some ridiculous errors, and I'm glad they got fired, but it's not really that surprising to me because I think politics on both sides is just so f'd up that this sort of thing probably happens a lot. </p> <p>I guess my take-away is… it's is ridiculous, I'm glad the people got fired, but I don't really see blaming Christie for it because I don't think it is his fault. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335187 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:56:17 +0000 travellingbee 1335187@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think it's fairly irrelevant if he knew it or not- he's still responsible. I suspect staffers frequently are told to "take care of it" and not share details. I completely agree with the sentiment that if his high-up staff thought this was a good idea then it seems he's a leader that creates this kind of culture among his staff. It's appalling- all the talk of his bullying people makes him sound like a mafia boss! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335178 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:55:16 +0000 jedeve 1335178@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>You are responsible for your hires. You hire people to make you a better governor. You hire people you trust. You hire people smarter than you. If you hire people who do stuff like that, it's your fault. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335149 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:45:10 +0000 yerpie110 1335149@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Foodnerd81: traffic jams on those four days lasted approximately four hours, so eight hours total every day. In addition to emergency vehicles, it was the first day of school and reports indicate that many school buses were caught in the gridlock. I had trouble getting around because the traffic overflowed onto all local streets in the area, and it obviously caused the Lincoln tunnel to be a mess, too. Unfortunately, there are only so many ways to get between nj and ny. I also read that the Gwb is the busiest bridge in the country. Whether or not that's true, it's certainly one of them, if not the most. I take the gwb often and I used to take it on a daily basis when I worked in NYC. While traffic is bad generally, it was never remotely close to the gridlock seen during those four days. Traffic study as the reason? Fine, weak but fine as an explanation. Political retribution? Unacceptable. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nj-bridge-scandal#post-1335051 Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:22:14 +0000 mrbee 1335051@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@pui: @Foodnerd81: Yah that's what I heard too... that she was 91 and the kids thought it was "her time" to go. Doesn't make it any better...</p> <p>The whole thing is pretty sad. I'm not a Christie supporter, but he actually seems to have been pretty bipartisan at surprising times. Amazed that he's pretty friendly with Booker too... </p>