https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Sat, 18 Apr 2026 14:48:41 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine/page/2#post-1924551 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:29:51 +0000 Mrs.Pinecone316 1924551@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>As a fellow nurse, I would WANT to self quarantine because the last thing I would ever want to do is be responsible or blamed for spreading such a deadly disease to someone else. I don't understand how these medical professionals take ebola so lightly when they first hand saw the devastation in Africa. If the other nurse and doctor who contacted ebola were more responsible themselves ( not taking flights and subways) then this mandatory quarantine probably never would have happened. </p> <p>Just stay home, take your temperature and have yourself a netflix marathon. It's not that bad! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine/page/2#post-1924506 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 14:07:43 +0000 JoJoGirl 1924506@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@IRunForFun: Yeah per the CDC guidelines they are asking her to still follow those general recommendations (no mass transit and a few other things), but can leave her house. :) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine/page/2#post-1924421 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:21:55 +0000 IRunForFun 1924421@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@JoJoGirl: I saw on the news though she has to stay 3 feet away from people or something? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine/page/2#post-1924405 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:16:41 +0000 Adira 1924405@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@JoJoGirl: Yay!</p> <p>I also thought this was probably pretty accurate:</p> <p>“The court is fully aware of the misconceptions, misinformation, bad science and bad information being spread from shore to shore in our country with respect to Ebola,” the judge said. “The Court is fully aware that people are acting out of fear and that this fear is not entirely rational. However, whether that fear is rational or not, it is present and it is real. She should guide herself accordingly.” </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine/page/2#post-1924388 Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:09:28 +0000 JoJoGirl 1924388@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>They lifted the quarantine. Finally someone comes to their senses..</p> <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/01/us/ebola-maine-nurse-kaci-hickox.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share&#038;smprod=nytcore-iphone&#038;_r=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/01/us/ebola-maine-nurse-kaci-hickox.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share&#038;smprod=nytcore-iphone&#038;_r=0</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine/page/2#post-1922803 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:50:25 +0000 theRoo 1922803@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think this New England Journal of Medicine editorial lays out the argument against quarantine well:<br /> <a href="http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe1413139" rel="nofollow">http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe1413139</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine/page/2#post-1922670 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:06:08 +0000 AmandaB8 1922670@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@78h2o: That makes me feel better about the situation. </p> <p>It just always frustrates me when people try to make a point by deliberately breaking rules. It's not a good example to set forth - for anyone. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine/page/2#post-1922608 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:44:51 +0000 MrsSCB 1922608@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@JoJoGirl: Exactly, she's totally trying to make a point. What people are asking of her is unreasonable, so she's trying to fight it (rightly so). I also don't think that has any bearing on whether or not she will follow reasonable guidelines, like self-monitoring. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine/page/2#post-1922574 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:26:05 +0000 JoJoGirl 1922574@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@78h2o: Agreed.</p> <p>I think she's trying to make a point. Going for an asymptomatic bike ride doesn't hurt anyone. Even if she has a fever, it's not a public health risk unless she stops riding to wipe sweat in someone's eyeball or barf on them. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine/page/2#post-1922554 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:14:06 +0000 78h2o 1922554@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@AmandaB8: I know people who know her personally. They have said she is very bright and very responsible. I think she is disobeying the quarantine because she is passionate about public health and believes quarantines that don't make sense are bad news for public health. That's my opinion anyway. Going for a bike ride is not the same as riding the subway, though even riding the subway would most likely be 100% fine. I feel very confident she will be self-monitoring and will seek help immediately if she has symptoms. I can't imagine that anyone who cares enough to volunteer their time, risk their own life, and witness firsthand people dying of Ebola, would not take the disease seriously. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1922490 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:50:05 +0000 AmandaB8 1922490@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Yes, I think the quarantine orders are extreme. I do think that self monitoring is okay.</p> <p>My concern is this though - if she can't obey a home quarantine order for 48 hours, what makes me think she's going to self monitor and take her temperature regularly? She's already shown that she's hot-headed, disobedient, and determined that she doesn't have an infection. I'm afraid that she won't be taking her temps, because she is "feeling perfectly fine". </p> <p>And yes, she's said she would be okay with a ban saying she shouldn't take public transportation, but what about when she said she should be quarantine at home, which was broken?</p> <p>IDK. I don't trust her. Not a bit. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1922382 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:50:05 +0000 MrsSCB 1922382@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Not a bike ride!! Save the children!!!! :-P </p> [attach=2844/14/ne9lbh.584x600.Screen-Shot-2014-10-30-at-10.49.19-AM.png] https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1922273 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:57:12 +0000 autumnlove 1922273@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I just saw the headline about her bike ride with her bf! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1922269 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:56:02 +0000 Mama Bird 1922269@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: a bike ride? really? that does sound like something from the Onion. </p> <p>Come on, she can't be the only nurse / doctor who came back to the U.S. in the last week. This is turning into a ridiculous media circus. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1922104 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:51:46 +0000 Mrs. Tiger 1922104@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@78h2o: thanks for posting that article! I initially thought the nurse was being careless but now I understand her reasons better. I also am reassured that none of Duncan's family wereinfected even though he was obviously symptomatic at home. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1922089 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:43:55 +0000 Adira 1922089@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: OMG, how ridiculous!!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1922085 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:43:00 +0000 MrsSCB 1922085@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@looch: Especially since they were apparently followed on their bikes by police officers. I'm surprised the officers weren't in full hazmat gear since she's so dangerous... This morning on the news, they dramatically said, "Nurse DEFIES quarantine order!!!" and then literally showed her taking two steps onto her porch. What a circus! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1922082 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:41:33 +0000 looch 1922082@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: It is such a waste of resources, isn't it? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1922080 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 08:40:25 +0000 MrsSCB 1922080@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Adira: I just got an AP Alert sent to my phone that literally says, "Nurse defies state's forced quarantine, goes for bike ride with her boyfriend in Maine." Are they seriously sending out text alerts for that? It's not an emergency! I read that and thought it seemed like an Onion post or something haha. Like thank you AP, please keep me apprised of her whereabouts AT ALL TIMES. :-P </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1921988 Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:25:43 +0000 Adira 1921988@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>The article has been updated with more information. It even says this:</p> <p>"Hickox saying she is open to travel restrictions like barring her from public transportation and limiting her to the Fort Kent area."</p> <p>That seems totally reasonable to me. It sounds like she's willing to do what's necessary to keep others safe and she just knows that being restricted to her home isn't necessary. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1921352 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:58:42 +0000 JoJoGirl 1921352@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@78h2o: I agree. The rest is just fear-mongering. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1921334 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:49:05 +0000 Lindsay05 1921334@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I haven't read much about this. But taking all other considerations aside. How about just use some common sense? Take the 3 weeks off, take care of yourself and don't potentially infect others. Seems pretty simple to me. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1921319 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:41:09 +0000 78h2o 1921319@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: Agree. I can't imagine that they would witness what the disease can do first hand and be nonchalant about it. Not only are healthcare workers exposed to way more bodily fluids, but there also doing so when the patient's viral load is at it's very highest. </p> <p>@Maysprout: It would be nice if we could do more as a country to facilitate healthcare workers going over there, including paying for them to be away from work during the incubation period if it's deemed necessary due to high-some risk exposure. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1921274 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:16:53 +0000 MrsSCB 1921274@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@78h2o: Agreed, I feel like that's a thing a lot of people are either forgetting or not really thinking about -- no one, not even Duncan's family, got Ebola -- except the nurses caring for him. Ebola is always most dangerous for healthcare workers because they're all up in there with the bodily fluids.</p> <p>Also, slight tangent, but I actually think the NYC doctor is an example of Doctors Without Borders' system working as it's supposed to. He self-monitored, taking his own temperature, and, yes, he went out while not symptomatic. But as soon as he exhibited any sign of illness, a very low-grade fever of 100.3, he shut himself off and called for help. That's exactly what's supposed to happen. And again, I do trust that doctors and nurses who have been to West Africa are knowledgable enough to handle that responsibility and also will do it correctly because they're already dedicating so much more than any of us to making sure we stop Ebola. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1921262 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:09:10 +0000 Maysprout 1921262@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>The quarantine sounds like overkill but that doesn't solve the pay situation. Doctors without borders discourages return to work during the incubation period. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1921261 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:08:55 +0000 78h2o 1921261@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@JoJoGirl: I agree that it was a dumb decision by the CDC to okay her travel given the fever, but I still get the sense that viral load isn't all that high when someone just starts getting symptoms. I mean, Duncan's family cared for him at home for several days while he was quite symptomatic and they didn't contract it. </p> <p>I think as long as the high-some risk individuals are being directly monitored on a daily basis (per the new CDC guidelines, where someone observes them and takes their temp), that should be sufficient. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1921156 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:18:43 +0000 JoJoGirl 1921156@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mama Bird: Yeah, that's basically what happened with one of the nurses from Dallas. She felt mostly fine because her fever was low (I think 100.3 or something) so traveled anyway.. but seeing as how she was in contact with a real case, that was a dumb decision and a dumb call by the CDC to okay it. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1921122 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:00:23 +0000 Mama Bird 1921122@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>This might be a dumb question because I don't know enough, but how quickly do symptoms develop? Could someone with no symptoms get on a plane/train to go wherever they're going, start to feel sick while away, and then (because they're not thinking clearly at that point) get on another plane/train when they're already starting to become contagious?</p> <p>That said... yes, there is way too much fear mongering going on. I did not realize at first that she wrote her initial complaint while she was still cooped up in that tent, even though by then it was clear she doesn't have a fever. No wonder she's mad... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1920974 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:27:57 +0000 78h2o 1920974@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@catomd00: I don't think it's fair to assume the 21-day quarantine would be paid. Most hospitals do not have the budget for that, so it would be up to individual states or the federal government, and I have not heard that they are offering that. (ETA: Ok, I just read that Ohio is considering such legislation, but who knows about the others). Perhaps more importantly, how many people have jobs that will allow them to miss 6+ weeks of work, and that's assuming they are only going over there for 3 weeks? I can see a lot of employers being hesitant to okay such leave, knowing that the employee is going to be out 2x as long... it's one thing for an employee with 3 weeks of vacation to say they are going to be out, it's another thing to need an additional 21 days to sit at home once they return. </p> <p>Sitting at home for 21 days does not sound terrible, but what if that causes the person under quarantine to miss visiting a sick relative, going to a funeral, or attending a wedding? When they are not an actual risk to anyone... just in the name of calming irrational fears? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/nurse-who-treated-ebola-patients-refusing-quarantine#post-1920973 Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:27:51 +0000 IRunForFun 1920973@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@looch: I think you hit the nail on the head when you said the issue is that some people don't follow the rules! I think it's less about the fear that the Doctors Without Borders protocols aren't effective, and more about the fear that not everyone will actually adhere to those protocols. For example, Vinson flying commercially, and now I'm reading that Spence initially lied about his activities in NYC before checks of his CC statements and Metrocard forced him to fess up. </p> <p>I think it's really unfortunate what Hickox went through with her quarantine and the whole thing was handled very poorly. If she did, in fact, have a fever, she definitely should have been quarantined, but not under the conditions she faced. She has every right be pissed off about that. </p> <p>I think the very root of the whole issue lies in trust. Do we trust that politicians/the media are telling the truth? Do we trust that people who are told to self-monitor will do it properly and report it properly? Etc, etc. </p>