https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Sun, 21 Jun 2026 00:33:53 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2809718 Wed, 14 Mar 2018 08:04:36 +0000 FaithFertility 2809718@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Boopers: AMEN!!!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2806062 Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:02:08 +0000 2littlepumpkins 2806062@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrsbells: From what we know so far, I think the armed officer should have gone in. I also think that LEOs are often put in harms way because the public doesn't want them to look or feel a certain way, but it's his job and I think he should have gone in. This is something he should have been trained for. I'd like to hear what he has to say... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2806060 Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:54:28 +0000 2littlepumpkins 2806060@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Boopers: I immediately go to all these questions too. We just had a situation where my daughter's school had some threats made by a teachers estranged spouse so my mind is kind of in a million places. </p> <p>@annem1990: Well, semi-auto anyway. I can kind of understand it even if they do want to die.. they might think they won't be able to hurt as many before they die. But it's just so complicated to figure out how to safely do this. I think metal detectors are a better place to start but I'm no expert... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805959 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 18:31:40 +0000 annem1990 2805959@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Trump spoke today at CPAC. Most of what he said infuriated me, but what stuck with me the most was his statement that these maniacs wouldn’t enter schools if they knew teachers had guns. He has no concept of mental illness...</p> <p>Many of these shooters (maybe not the Parkland though) are actively suicidal. They want to inflict as much damage as they can and then die. The thought of someone else shooting them does not scare them. </p> <p>Not to mention, a small handgun is no match for these automatic guns these guys have.... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805951 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 18:03:49 +0000 Mama Bird 2805951@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Arming teachers is ridiculous on so many levels. Who's going to train them? Are we really sure a teacher won't snap and shoot a student? Teachers are people too, possibly very frazzled people who have to wrangle way too many kids all day long. Are they really going to out-shoot someone with an AR-15 who's been target practicing for the last two months? And last of all, police have to go through extensive training and there are still incidents where they shoot someone before they can fully assess the threat, because their nerves get the best of them. Teachers aren't going to get this level of training, and in any case may be people who just can't handle it. LEOs choose their profession knowing they'll go into dangerous situations. Teachers don't. </p> <p>@mrsbookworm: this. Even if a teacher was facing down a disturbed armed student, could they really shoot the kid? Should they have to make that decision? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805950 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:43:58 +0000 MrsSCB 2805950@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: oh, yes, I saw that suggestion 🙄 it’s pretty offensive to suggest we give teachers bonuses for bringing guns to work,, but yet we won’t pay them a decent wage to, you know, teach. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805947 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:13:40 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2805947@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrsbells: There are many ways first responders, I think the SRO would be considered one, are supposed to respond in these situations. Maybe he was doing what he was supposed, but since Sherrif Israel thinks he should have gone into the school I want to know why he did not.</p> <p>@Boopers: One of your Texas schools arms their teachers already. For them in their district it works. <a href="https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/23/health/texas-guns-school-district-trnd/index.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/02/23/health/texas-guns-school-district-trnd/index.html</a></p> <p>@MrsSCB: Trump’s suggestion to arm teachers comes with bonuses. I agree we need to throw money at this problem, but not this way. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805929 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:20:51 +0000 Mrsbells 2805929@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: thanks for sharing this. Especially with everyone blaming and shaming the armed officer who chose to wait outside for 4 mins while the shooting was going on. His little gun couldnt defend him against the AR 15 that the shooter had. He probably just wanted to get home to his family.<br /> Laws change over time to stay relevant. The 2nd amendment needs restrictions because we don't need everyone armed for war. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805867 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:05:45 +0000 Boopers 2805867@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p> [attach=1843/18/p4madm.600x395.9AFAE40D-EDFC-4456-912A-F1ECA8DE2689.jpeg] https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805862 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:01:50 +0000 DesertDreams88 2805862@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Boopers: 100% yes and amen. Teacher in AZ over here. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805861 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:01:04 +0000 DesertDreams88 2805861@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>As a teacher, I have a much better chance of saving lives if I lock the door, hide under my desk, and call 911. Throwing my body in front of a student's body isn't going to help much against an AR-15 style weapon. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805828 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:04:49 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2805828@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@looch: I know, the system failed those students and teachers every step of the way. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805807 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:51:46 +0000 Becky 2805807@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Agree with everything being said here. I also wanted to add this photo which came up on a podcast I was recently listening to showing just how little arming people helps when you have an active shooter (it’s not graphic btw, just a pic with arrows showing all the armed men surrounding Reagan during his attempted assasination): <a href="https://norberthaupt.com/tag/armed-guards-in-schools/" rel="nofollow">https://norberthaupt.com/tag/armed-guards-in-schools/</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805785 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:18:14 +0000 looch 2805785@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: And even more, the latest news is that the armed guard didn't do what he was supposed to do, but he waited outside instead of going in as was the protocol. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805781 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:12:34 +0000 looch 2805781@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Anagram: everything you said, yes. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805778 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 11:02:25 +0000 Boopers 2805778@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Excuse my language, but as a teacher the idea of arming in the classroom is so fucked up. I live in Texas so you can imagine the various opinions that are being shared by people who have no clue at all about what goes on in a classroom and the implications that arming teachers can have. I took this from a friend’s FB:</p> <p>Which teachers get guns?<br /> Where will the guns be stored?<br /> Who decides when guns can be brandished?<br /> What penalties will apply if teachers mishandle a weapon?<br /> Will teachers volunteer for gun duty?<br /> Can teachers refuse it?<br /> Who will audit their adherence to regulations?<br /> Will students know which teachers have weapons?<br /> Who will be liable if the teacher with the gun becomes the shooter?<br /> What will be the consequences when students are accidentally shot by a teacher?<br /> How will armed teachers communicate in a tactical situation?<br /> Will teachers with a history of mental illness be allowed to use weapons?<br /> Will teachers be required to disclose any history of mental illness?<br /> Will teachers be issued a weapon? Reimbursed for purchase? For ammunition?<br /> How will administrators conduct non-weapon-related discipline against a teacher?<br /> Will there be armed assistance available to deter workplace shootings?<br /> Who will shepherd the armed teacher’s classroom while the teacher is attempting to locate the active shooter?<br /> What happens when a teacher misidentifies a student as a threat in good faith?<br /> Will teachers who do not carry lethal weapons be offered non lethal alternatives?<br /> If an armed teacher is shot, can another teacher employ his or her weapon?<br /> How will armed teachers identify themselves to arriving first responders?<br /> Will armed teachers be required to learn how to give first-response medicine?<br /> Will armed teachers be required to attempt an arrest before using lethal force? Under what circumstances?<br /> Will proficiency training on weapons count for teachers’ continuing education and professional development?<br /> How will insurers adjust health and other rates to account for the presence of armed employees?<br /> Will teachers receive additional pay for being armed?<br /> how often will armed teachers be re-evaluated for licensing purposes?<br /> Will armed teachers leading field trips deposit their weapons in a personally owned vehicle or school-owned transport?<br /> Will one teacher per wing of a school building receive weapons? Two? Three?<br /> Exactly which standards will count for proficiency—greater than a big-city police department, State Police, FBI, hobbyist, marksman?<br /> In training scenarios, how will using force against innocents be penalized?<br /> Will racial sensitivity courses be required?<br /> Do parents have a right to refuse to send their kids to schools with guns?<br /> Will students have to sign waivers? Will parents? What if a parent signs a waiver for a minor student who, when that student turns 18, refuses to abide by its provisions?<br /> Will teachers on probation be allowed to carry weapons?<br /> What about teachers with active union grievances? Complaints about sexual harassment? Anger management? Divorce proceedings?<br /> Will armed teachers wear holsters?<br /> Will they be stationed strategically during pep rallies or other gatherings?<br /> Will they participate in lockdown drills as if they were armed or unarmed?<br /> Will funding for the policies outlined above be distributed according to local budgets, statewide formulas, or national formulas?<br /> Will schools in high-risk neighborhoods receive more or less funding? Suburban schools?<br /> What is the right ratio of armed:unarmed teachers by grade level?<br /> What is the procedure for debriefing and assessing armed teachers’ performance during a crisis?<br /> Can an armed teacher who flinches be fired? Can an armed teacher who breaks protocol be rewarded?<br /> Will preschool teachers have guns?<br /> Will teachers in “juvie” (high risk) schools have guns?<br /> Will the teacher or the school be liable if their gun is stolen?<br /> Can administrators carry weapons? Can they do so in disciplinary situations? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805771 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:32:30 +0000 MrsSCB 2805771@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Another side to this that has been pissing me off, aside from how ludicrous it is to think more guns in schools would solve anything, is the fact that the people suggesting this don't give a shit that schools don't even have enough money for basic supplies. Teachers buy classroom supplies from their own already-too-low incomes. So who the hell is going to supply firearms and training to teachers? And if we have the money for that, why don't we have the money to properly fund education? Or are teachers supposed to pay for this out of their own pockets, too? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805765 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:11:49 +0000 snowjewelz 2805765@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>It's been so heartbreaking to watch all of this unfold. I'm really hoping we really get somewhere this time. I know I'll be going to one of our local marches comes 3/24. </p> <p>What's making my blood boil is the deflection Trump/Rubio and whoever else taking money from NRA are making. Like on the surface they're "doing something" but it's all lame things that don't make a difference and isn't the issue. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805759 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:55:43 +0000 OurEastAndWest 2805759@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Yes to everything you all said!!!! *clap clap clap* I honeslty cannot believe we are still even debating this after all we have been through as a nation with mass shootings the last few years especially... :meh: :crying: :sad: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805751 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:15:30 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2805751@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Anagram: @mrsbookworm: Totally agree. I am definitely opposed to arming teachers and warehousing gun in schools. I think we have seen enough viral videos of teachers and students behaving badly that putting a firearm in the mix could only lead to a tragic situation. </p> <p>In the case of Parkland all the warning signs and tips were there. This will be a textbook example of how to fix our system. Unfortunately, most mass shooters don’t leave this many clues and we will still need other ways to mitigate the risk. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805747 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:13:07 +0000 mrsbookworm 2805747@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think this teacher hit the nail on the head. Teachers shouldn’t have to choose between protecting their students and losing their own lives. The idea that arming teachers is a solution to this problem is ludicrous. The shooter is often a current or former student. It’s asking too much of people who chose this career because they love children to also have to shoot them. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805744 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:02:12 +0000 Anagram 2805744@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I posted that letter on my FB. Along with a lot of other things related to this. I've worked in public schools for 16 years now and the fact that we are STILL having this issue makes me so angry.</p> <p>Yes, it's a multi-pronged issue, but the easiest and probably cheapest (it would actually probably make enough money to pay the personnel required) is to restrict the kinds of people killing weapons that can be bought, require the process to be more rigorous, and more expensive, include a psychological test and a 3 month waiting period, and require one step of the license to be an in-home visit (paid for by the person applying for the license) to make sure the people-killing weapons are stored in a fingerprint safe that no one else can access.</p> <p>I would support a full-on ban on this type of weapon. It's not used for hunting (if a person hunts with an AR-15, they are terrible at hunting), it's not good for home security. There's really no use for it other than killing humans on a large scale.</p> <p>Would it be nice if our country could agree that we ALSO need to build the infrastructure around universal health care and easy access to mental health services? SURE! Let's do that too. But the vast majority of the mentally ill aren't violent. And the police can't legally arrest someone for stockpiling weapons or becoming obsessed with violence--the person has to break a law first. </p> <p>Back to teachers--yes, I think it's ridiculous that there's a vocal minority (I believe they are the minority) that come up with ridiculous "solutions" like, "let's just arm all teachers". It's ridiculous. The only teachers that will run out and get a permit for that are the ones that already have power/authoritarian issues, and they are the last ones I personally would trust with a weapon at school. Teachers are human--there are millions of us in the US. There are teachers who are abusers, who have anger issues, who commit suicide, who are depressed, who are mentally ill, who are just evil--of course there are. To arm them when they should be teaching a subject is insane. How long will it be before an armed teacher loses it and shoots a student for talking back, or not turning in homework? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/parkland-teacher-heroes#post-2805737 Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:52:24 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2805737@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Politics is polarizing and over the past year has become exhausting, which is probably why we haven’t seen a single post on Parkland. (Let me know if I missed it) The school shooting has turned into a debate on gun rights.</p> <p>Two of the adult victims- geography teacher and assistant coach- have been heralded as heroes putting themselves in harms way to save their students. DH and I talked about them shortly after the shooting. We don’t know if we would be so selfless if that meant we would not come home to our child or to each other. I suggested maybe they didn’t know they were in that much danger, but then you hear the footage of the spray of bullets. Then you hear witness accounts of seeing the shooter. Their life was in danger and they made a choice to be heroes. </p> <p>Well one teacher doesn’t want to be a hero and her open letter is linked below. For me that is a compelling reason to make our schools safer. Think about it schools are overwhelmingly comprised of children and yet 3 of the 17 victims were adults. </p> <p><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/health/a-letter-from-a-furious-teacher-to-lawmakers-trnd/index.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/health/a-letter-from-a-furious-teacher-to-lawmakers-trnd/index.html</a></p> <p>What does everyone else feel about this? </p>