https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Wed, 08 Apr 2026 01:38:40 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2255190 Wed, 05 Aug 2015 08:58:37 +0000 LovelyPlum 2255190@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@DesertDreams88: no worries. I have mixed feelings on abortion s in general, but I am 100% in agreement that regardless, everyone wants fewer because they are not needed, not more. Thanks for putting yourself out there :happy: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2255181 Wed, 05 Aug 2015 08:48:12 +0000 pinkcupcake 2255181@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Actually, it's typically state governments that have a waiting period and require women to wait a certain number of days before getting an abortion: <a href="http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/02/411479776/in-several-states-abortion-waiting-periods-grow-longer" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/02/411479776/in-several-states-abortion-waiting-periods-grow-longer</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2255055 Wed, 05 Aug 2015 06:54:41 +0000 Amelieisme 2255055@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@ms.line: I do understand what stem cells are and how they work. In the video they are harvesting whole organs and avoiding damaging certain areas of the body to get intact specimens. She further says regarding the hearts that they are interested in retrieving the nodes in reference to the SA node and AV nodes, I assume. They are not talking about stem cells in these instances.</p> <p>And, yes, I do believe they would alter practices for the sake of research. They already are based on their techniques if you listen to the video. I am not after PP specifically as I do realize they provide many services outside of abortion. I do think the practice of using fetal tissue in this way should give us pause and for me is not a "non-issue". </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2255011 Wed, 05 Aug 2015 00:22:00 +0000 DesertDreams88 2255011@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@lovelyplum: thanks... I have to admit I was a little bit nervous when I saw that I had a reply on this thread! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254987 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 22:36:43 +0000 LovelyPlum 2254987@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@DesertDreams88: @jedeve: you guys are awesome, can I just say that? :happy: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254955 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:44:16 +0000 ms.line 2254955@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Amelieisme: That's not how it works. Rabbits do not suffice because their cells act very differently than human stem cells, which are isolated in fetal tissue. "Fully developed" (aka adult) tissue is actually less useful, which is why researchers are using embryonic and fetal tissue to begin with. The New York Times recently reported that first-trimester fetal tissue actually has more monetary value to labs than second-trimester tissue.</p> <p>That said, do you truly think Planned Parenthood (or any abortion provider, because even private clinics donate tissue) would routinely delay abortions solely because they care more about the number of cells that could be harvested by a third party research firm than about the health and safety of their own patients? And this would happen on such a wide scale that it would outweigh 1) the vast public health benefits of fetal tissue research, and 2) the comfort that women may find in having the opportunity to make their abortions more meaningful? (These are rhetorical questions; I'm not engaging further on this line of reasoning.) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254943 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:21:31 +0000 Amelieisme 2254943@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>More developed organs would be the goal, not "more fetus". Secondly, whether or not they benefit financially doesn't mean they wouldn't be influenced to pursue more developed (thus more functional) organs. Why are they doing this at all if they don't have some incentive? The promotion of research/advancement of medical knowledge can be incentive enough. People are not only motivated by financial gain. </p> <p> And it is more beneficial; the more like a fully developed human the tissue is, the better. Otherwise, rabbits would suffice. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254940 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:17:36 +0000 ms.line 2254940@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Amelieisme: But Planned Parenthood isn't profiting off fetal tissue donation, so there's no incentive for them to delay an abortion in order to get "more fetus." (Which probably isn't any more meaningful to researchers, anyway.) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254937 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:11:38 +0000 Amelieisme 2254937@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>But you can easily tell a patient that it can't be scheduled until next week or the following. Days matter in fetal development. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254933 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:07:00 +0000 MrsSCB 2254933@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Amelieisme: The women (not mothers, I feel that's an important distinction) are definitely aware and must consent. As much as the organization that makes these videos wants people to believe, this practice is not hush-hush, nor is it new. I mentioned earlier that fetal tissue research was a fundamental part of the polio vaccine's development. I also honestly can't imagine a scenario in which a woman seeking an abortion would opt to carry the child longer. I really think abortion tends to be something people want to get over with so they can move on. Tissue donation just allows them to contribute to something positive in the process. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254928 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 21:01:15 +0000 ms.line 2254928@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Amelieisme: Women are made aware and have to consent to fetal tissue donation. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254927 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 20:57:21 +0000 Amelieisme 2254927@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>To say this is a non-issue is sad to me and too cavalier. I do understand the argument regarding the benefit in using the tissue that would be discarded for medical research, but are the mothers aware and consenting? It seems as if the whole thing is very hush-hush which is concerning to me. Also, in most cases of donation the recipient of the tissue has no control over when the donor dies. You could certainly see a situation in which the abortion is delayed to allow further development of the fetal tissue. It just seems like a slippery slope to me. I am really neither pro-choice nor pro-life. I see the need for availability of safe abortions but wish the second trimester abortions were banned, outside of dire situations, for the health of the mother or nonviable fetuses. I would never have an abortion myself and would hope to be supportive of a friend/loved one in an unplanned pregnancy. In this area I think it's too sensitive and the tissue shouldn't be used for research purposes. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254916 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 20:51:48 +0000 ms.line 2254916@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@yoursilverlining: This! Planned Parenthood can't use federal funding for abortions ANYWAY. The call to defund PP is fundamentally misogynistic. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254892 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 20:19:25 +0000 yoursilverlining 2254892@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>My thoughts are that it's a well-timed piece meant to stir up right-wing support (and $$$) before a contentious and important primary and eventually election season. It's also another way to punish women for having sex, especially out of wedlock, because it isn't about defunding abortion centers, it's really about defunding centers that provide, by a vast, vast majority, contraceptive services without judgement on a woman's sexual choices. </p> <p>These attacks have been going on for a long time, and they will continue on for a long time. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2254864 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 19:56:59 +0000 travellingbee 2254864@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I thought this was a good opinion piece on it:<br /> <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/opinions/louis-planned-parenthood/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/opinions/louis-planned-parenthood/index.html</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2251353 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:22:15 +0000 jedeve 2251353@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@DesertDreams88: I'm a pro-life democrat, also an anomaly. :wink: I don't usually tell people that because I would get judged hard core. But I agree with your take. I think the more we can do to help people facing unplanned pregnancies, the better, and addressing issues of living wages, childcare costs, medical care and societal stigma about single mothers and working moms and parenting in general is a much more ethical way to address abortion. </p> <p>As far as PP, I used to have to go there for birth control and thought the health care I received was pretty bad. That could have been an anomaly, but they brushed off some major health issues I was having. </p> <p>As far as the video...I wish both sides of the aisle would address women's issues that extend past our uteruses. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2251233 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:12:52 +0000 ms.line 2251233@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@DesertDreams88: Good, I was hoping one would pop up in this thread! :happy: And while I am vehemently pro-choice, I absolutely agree that a more ideal world would include fewer abortions and more comprehensive support of women, mothers, babies, and children. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2251230 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:09:20 +0000 DesertDreams88 2251230@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I agree with many previous posters that the video's main effect is not to convince pro-choice people to be pro-life, but to galvanize the "complacent" pro-lifers / solidify support. </p> <p>While I do not support the unrestricted right to abortion, I do think that it's a sensible thing to donate fetal tissue as long as the mother agrees. I may not agree with the decision to abort, but if someone is going to do it, using the tissue for research seems like the best end, pragmatically speaking. </p> <p>I think one important aspect of this video is reminding people of the humanity of abortions. Even at the early stages, the embryo is surprisingly developed. It's not just removing a "clump of tissue" like a wart or a polyp or a large cyst. Many of my friends like to ignore that aspect and I think it's important to face the facts, regardless of what you end up deciding politically. My BFF had a 8 wk abortion and didn't realize that at that point her baby had a functional heart, lungs, arms, legs, etc. It's just that some people think that the mother's humanity and rights trumps that of a fetus', that's all. </p> <p>A huge issue that I see being ignored in relation to this video, is that the video refers to 2nd trimester abortions... which are very rare and usually a heart-wrenching, complex decision. My pro-life friends' responses to the video seem to project the cavalier attitude of the PP doctor onto the women having the abortion, which is an oversimplification of what's going on. </p> <p>@ms. line: You've never met an "anti-choicer" who is also a vegetarian? Well then, hello :) Though I wouldn't say I'm anti-choice, I'd say let's work to create a society where unplanned pregnancies are limited, but supported and welcomed robustly. Yay for comprehensive sex ed, free birth control, paid parental leave, PP's other services, etc. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2251227 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 13:03:54 +0000 honeybear 2251227@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs Green Grass: Do you know where the numbers in the graphic came from? I know you reposted from FB, but was there any indication where the graphic creator got them? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2251212 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:49:32 +0000 Mrs. Peanut 2251212@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsscb: Perhaps! It's very likely, actually. My point was though, you don't have to be pro-life to be upset by the videos. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2251210 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:45:37 +0000 Truth Bombs 2251210@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: this exactly. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news/page/2#post-2251200 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:37:27 +0000 MrsSCB 2251200@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Peanut: I saw that, and my first thought was that I would be willing to bet money she said that to appease more moderate voters. She later tweeted out that she is "proud" to stand by Planned Parenthood. I pretty much take anything a campaigning politician says with a very large grain of salt. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news#post-2251196 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:34:40 +0000 snowjewelz 2251196@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: Yes this! </p> <p>The tones/attitudes in the video was what bothered me. I totally get that in these professions, when you deal with these things daily, you have to come up with ways to cope and sometimes joking around, being casual, or being desensitized (at least in the moment) might be needed in order to do your job. </p> <p>I am not the judge of whether they crossed lines or not, but for me, a normal person with zero ties to the medical field, and being a mommy, that upset me to certain levels. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news#post-2251189 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:25:01 +0000 Mrs. Peanut 2251189@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsscb: I don't think that's necessarily true. Even Hillary Clinton, a big supporter of planned parenthood, said she found the images "disturbing". <a href="http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/7/72/1550474/hillary-clinton-planned-parenthood-videos-disturbing/" rel="nofollow">http://national.suntimes.com/national-world-news/7/72/1550474/hillary-clinton-planned-parenthood-videos-disturbing/</a> She had not seen the videos in their entirety. I am upset by the casual attitude towards human life. It's no way to deal with a loss. I would have been just as upset if they did anything at all with them. Donating the tissue, to me, isn't the issue. That is probably the best way to physically handle it! The attitude of disrespect for the fetus and parents was the problem for me. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news#post-2251188 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:24:13 +0000 Maysprout 2251188@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I've killed many animals in my day for cancer research. I understand how it becomes routine. At the same time there's a level of being desensitized that's inappropriate and can lead to bad things. I've seen it in other researchers (and turned one in that I thought went too far beyond crossing the ethical standards). We had a few Med students get in trouble one year because a faculty member overheard them making fun of their cadaver. I dont think any line was crossed in this video (though Ive only watched a snippet). But becoming overly desensitized is a real issue that can occur and is and should be addressed </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news#post-2251180 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:15:13 +0000 MrsSCB 2251180@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@TemperanceBrennan: Great point. If you are offended by this video, then you clearly are just against abortion in general, not fetal tissue donation. Because otherwise, how would the tissue just being thrown away be better than being used to help people? These abortions are happening regardless. It's not like any fetuses are being aborted for the sole purpose of research. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news#post-2251179 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:13:47 +0000 Mrs D 2251179@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@ms.line: agree to disagree...I take the "we are all desensitized" statement to mean we have no feelings towards these issues. Desensitized to me is not the same as continuing to live and function while these horrible situations exist. Rather it would be mocking or otherwise disrespecting those people, their situation and their struggles. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news#post-2251165 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:01:22 +0000 ms.line 2251165@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Peanut: My point was that we all find coping mechanisms to deal with the darker aspects of humanity, which I think directly speaks to @Mrs D's speculation. </p> <p>@Mrs D: I'm not sure how you interpreted my statement as a personal attack - I specifically said "we." In fact, I'm sure you do care about human suffering. I'm equally sure that abortion providers - including the ones in the video - care about human suffering. But despite caring, we (as in, all humans everywhere) find ways inure ourselves to the harsh realities of our world. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news#post-2251161 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:54:42 +0000 Mrs D 2251161@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Anagram: what you said is "PP is not forcing abortions on ANYONE and those kinds of lies are so ridiculous to me" - going to the extreme opposite of a happily married woman who is thrilled to be pregnant going in there and referencing the experience she may have as compared to a scared college kid who may want advice/guidance is a large jump. PP sees many women in many different stages/phases of life - and provide great service to I am sure the majority of those people. However - I personally had a negative experience with the coercion I felt from the staff - and I know in my circle of friends I was not alone. I'm not trying to argue - just presenting a different side to the story. You are making generalizations about a HUGE organization and presuming these things never happened - I am simply saying from my perspective and real life experience they do unfortunately happen. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/planned-parenthood-footage-in-the-news#post-2251159 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:54:29 +0000 Finfan 2251159@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I have no issue with fetal tissue research. This research can do so much good in the world. I see no reason to fear that women aren't giving informed consent about what fetal tissue is (what else would it be?). </p> <p>It's an uncomfortable truth for a lot of us that science needs cadavers, fetal tissue, and animal research as appropriate but our society benefits from it. I prefer fetal tissue be used for research than to be thrown away. </p>