https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Mon, 06 Apr 2026 13:57:16 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-560124 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 12:28:11 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 560124@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Hey, after some reflection, I just want to make it clear that I'm not anti-Catholic at all :) The reason I linked to the articles above was to show why I wasn't that surprised by a resignation, not to say that I'm glad or anything. </p> <p>Just so you know, in addition to reading the kinds of things I reference above, I'm also a subscriber to First Things (a moderately conservative, very thought provoking Catholic magazine, which I read cover to cover monthly. I recommend it.<br /> <a href="http://www.firstthings.com/issue/2013/02/february" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstthings.com/issue/2013/02/february</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-560006 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:27:19 +0000 jedeve 560006@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I can see him being too old to deal with the scandals. I was referring to people who think a new scandal is brewing, which doesn't seem likely to me. </p> <p>As much as I would love a completion of the work that was started in Vatican II, I doubt there will be a change. But it's funny to watch CNN reporters say things like, "98% of American catholic women use birth control. Surely the next pope will take that into consideration!" Yeah...not likely. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-560002 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:24:40 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 560002@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Shutterbug: I haven't seen that documentary yet, but it was playing here last week. I was really sick last week so I missed it. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559993 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:21:00 +0000 Shutterbug 559993@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Jacks: that was my first thought when I heard the news this morning as well (about the scandals). I just recently watched a documentary called "Mea Maxima Culpa" (<a href="https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/mea-maxima-culpa/index.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/mea-maxima-culpa/index.html</a>) about pedophilia in the Catholic church, telling the story of a group of boys from a school for the deaf in Wisconsin. They pointed out Ratzinger's connection and alleged cover-up, and that once he became Pope, he was above the law and couldn't be held responsible. I wonder how abdicating the papacy changes that? (it probably doesn't). </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559988 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:18:14 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 559988@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: Thanks for pointing that out :) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559982 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:16:04 +0000 Maysprout 559982@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Jacks: Well that's another thing, in addition to some of the sources not being all that credible she also cites things a bit out of context. I really had the idea that he had well armed the police after reading her article, which is linked to a credible news source, and I can't find anything other news sources saying that but the way she links together articles it sounds scary. It's not just inflammatory language it's inaccurate in many ways. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559978 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:15:44 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 559978@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@honeybear: Good suggestions :) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559969 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:13:42 +0000 honeybear 559969@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I was surprised, but I am certain that the Pope has not reached this decision lightly, or made it because of external pressures. </p> <p>In general, I would recommend reading some of the things Benedict has written, rather than just what has been written about him in the popular press, before you reach a conclusion about him. Some good options: "Holy Women", "Jesus of Nazareth", and "The Spirit of the Liturgy". His "Introduction to Christianity" is also excellent, but I might start with the first two. All of those are on Amazon, and probably also at the library. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559940 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 11:02:59 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 559940@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: I followed every link in the article. Daily Kos is cited 4 times and other blogs 3 times. The rest are credible news sources. I agree about the inflammatory language. I didn't love it either, but I did appreciate so many credible links in one place. I am genuinely sorry if my posting it is somehow disrespectful! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559935 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:59:40 +0000 Maysprout 559935@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Jacks: The papacy has a lot of ties to a lot of different groups, that doesn't mean they're installing the popes.<br /> I don't care if it's posted I just was just trying to point out there's lots of random blogs cited and it wasn't a completely well sourced article. I know DKos is in general not a big Catholic church fan but even so a lot of the comments agree that it's a bit 'tinfoil hat' or conspiracy theory.<br /> The beginning has a lot of good articles citing the money problems but the other stuff is out there. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559932 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:58:00 +0000 Foodnerd81 559932@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Jacks: Don't take it down-- you gave a disclaimer and I want to read it later! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559931 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:57:06 +0000 Foodnerd81 559931@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>While I'm surprised, I can't say I'm disappointed. I'm also really hoping they will come up with someone more progressive and inclusive-- I've been very turned off by a lot of things lately (aside from the pedophilia scandal which is it's own horrible thing). Like @Mrs. Jacks: I've had serious second thoughts about baptizing LO when he/she gets here because I'm just not sure I want them to be part of this. </p> <p>I don't have time to click on the links yet but I will later! Very interesting. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559927 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:55:02 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 559927@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: Like I said, a lot of it was disrespectful. I followed the links the articles. If people feel like it is too disrespectful, I'm happy to take it down.</p> <p>The papacy does have strong neo-con ties, that is not in dispute. They hired one Fox News folks to manage their information, among other neo-con alliances.</p> <p>I wasn't trying to be inflammatory, just had a very different view from what I'm used to reading in the mainstream. There are actually very few blogs cited in the post. It does cite Daily Kos 4 times but that makes sense as that is a continuation of an ongoing conversation there. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559923 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:51:45 +0000 Maysprout 559923@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Wow, I'm really surprised, that's pretty rare! Hopefully a step in the right direction, he seemed to be a little too close to the pedophilia scandal.</p> <p>@Mrs. Jacks: That first article has a lot of crazy in it. Some of the links are alright but a lot are just ramblings of someone on a blog. It suggests that neoconservatives are in charge of installing the popes and there is a militarized secret army and that 99% of people are going to be free of 'economic enslavement' after the pope leaves, I donno, it sounds like crazy ramblings to me. The author in the comments is trying to promote a book </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559906 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 10:39:20 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 559906@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Another enlightening article:<br /> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-beneditc-resignation-paradoxical-papacy" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-beneditc-resignation-paradoxical-papacy</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559753 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:33:54 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 559753@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@jedeve: I mean that they are fighting scandal on so many fronts<br /> -financial<br /> -Vatileaks<br /> -pedophilia<br /> that he may not have the stomach to continue as these scandals continue to be explored. One in particular lands right on his desk. The LA pedophile papers name Ratzinger as having sat on the files of at least 2 or 3 pedophile priests. I'm sure that was going to come up for him to answer to.</p> <p>Also I don't deny that he may be ill and unable to adequately address the issues at hand, but this is the first time in 600 years that a pope has resigned.</p> <p>I'm linking to a comprehensive (but somewhat disrespectful--I definitely had to ignore some of the glee at the church's problems) article that is well sourced. I followed most every link on it to read about all the different aspects discussed in order to make up my mind about what is/was going on. I want to make it clear that I do not think that this link is fact, but rather a jumping off point for further deeper explanation.</p> <p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/27/1181602/-Implosion-at-the-Vatican-One-Can-Only-Hope" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/27/1181602/-Implosion-at-the-Vatican-One-Can-Only-Hope</a></p> <p>Edited to add: I really hope for something like a new Vatican II. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559726 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:15:33 +0000 jedeve 559726@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Jacks: do you mean you aren't shocked that he wants out, or that he is trying to avoid scandal? To me it seems the Church has never felt pressured to change leadership in a scandal. </p> <p>I hope they choose someone more progressive. I can't imagine they will though. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559721 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:11:32 +0000 Mrs. Jacks 559721@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I'm not that shocked. There's been a huge Vatican city scandal going on with some major leaks and a banking crisis. I'll find a leak to some of the articles on the situation. But I've been holding off on baptizing the girls until there was new leadership. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559717 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:07:55 +0000 jedeve 559717@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@tequiero21: I can't imagine it's scandal. The Catholic Church just doesn't work like that. I mean, he has already been through scandal. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559706 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:04:03 +0000 tequiero21 559706@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>It was on yahoo... Haven't read it but saw the headline.... Wonder if its age or scandal... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559705 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:03:52 +0000 loveisstrange 559705@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Honeybee: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/pope-resigns-saying-no-longer-strength-fulfill-ministry-112923467.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/pope-resigns-saying-no-longer-strength-fulfill-ministry-112923467.html</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559692 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:54:22 +0000 Honeybee 559692@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>What?! Do you have a link? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/pope-is-resigning#post-559682 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:48:46 +0000 jedeve 559682@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I am shocked!</p> <p>Eta: <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/world/europe/pope-benedict-resignation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/11/world/europe/pope-benedict-resignation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1</a> </p>