https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Mon, 25 May 2026 15:18:24 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1481270 Sun, 09 Mar 2014 01:24:38 +0000 shopaholic 1481270@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrs. wagon: OMG! I am just reading this! Poor mama and papa wagon! How is it now? Is she back to normal? Did she really sleep all night standing up? Did you do checks when she was crying and vomiting, or just watched her on the monitor? How long did she cry for before falling asleep standing up? I'm in awe. But bow down to you for your resilience! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1467273 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:14:11 +0000 mrs. wagon 1467273@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Blue: Hehe... We would be each other's kid's MIL! I'd be horrible. Fair and early warning. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1466890 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:32:10 +0000 Mrs. Blue 1466890@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrs. wagon: Ha! As the ILs, we will graciously travel for the wedding...just please tell her to love me and let me see my son and grandkids often! :silly: (Can you tell I'm already worried about that?!?! Moms of Sons problems!) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1466881 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:30:06 +0000 mrs. wagon 1466881@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrsjyw: thank you friend!!!!</p> <p>@MamaMoose: this is very encouraging. LMW will actually lay down and stop crying if I tell her to lay down and shush her. I sometimes have to be a little forceful but it works. All she really needs is for me to be sitting in the doorway with the door open a little bit. I'm just afraid I'll be sitting in the doorway several times a night!!! But considering she's used to sleeping straight through the night, she probably won't make me do that.</p> <p>...right?? right?? ;) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1466833 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:20:49 +0000 mrs. wagon 1466833@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Blue: now we just have to have the north vs. south argument! Although it's usually where the bride is from, right? Although I do love the south... sigh. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1466825 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:19:52 +0000 MamaMoose 1466825@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrs. wagon: We finally FINALLY did our version of "sleep training" with our 15 month old a couple weeks ago. She is also EXTREMELY stubborn and would never in a million years cry herself to sleep. We were also night weaning so it was doubly brutal. But honestly it was 2 nights of horror (and then one more night a week later) and that was it. I just sat next to the crib and refused to pick her up or nurse her. I would tell her to lie down and as long as she lied down I would sit next to the crib and sing to her and pat her or hold her hand. If she stood up I would leave the room and let her cry for a few minutes and then come back in and ask her if she wanted to lay down nicely. I just stuck it out until she passed out and then left. Now it takes about 10 minutes of patting and singing at bed time to get her to sleep and she sleeps straight through. So I say, STAY STRONG. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1466785 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:13:13 +0000 mrsjyw 1466785@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>:'( hugs friend.</p> <p>hope j goes back to normal soon!!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1466783 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:12:49 +0000 Mrs. Blue 1466783@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrs. wagon: perfect! I'll reserve a church. ;-) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1466592 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 13:29:50 +0000 mrs. wagon 1466592@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@erwoo: hehe thank you!! I know, I waffle between meeting her needs and sticking to my guns. Unluckily for her, I am just as stubborn as her (if not more) and her daddy is pretty hardcore with sleep training. So fingers crossed tonight is the night for all of us!</p> <p>@Mrs. Blue: I am pretty sure sole dictator would be her only choice. Although it would be pretty cool if she were to go into law. And maybe marry the son of some lawyers. ;) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465846 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 10:13:58 +0000 Mrs. Blue 1465846@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrs. wagon: Seriously, LMW = Most Determined Kid Ever. Just think of it this way, someday she can use that crazy conviction and determination to make amazing changes in the world . . . or perhaps she might just take over the world. Either one seems plausible. :silly: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465808 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 10:05:25 +0000 erwoo 1465808@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrs. wagon: I'm totally with @Mrs. Blue: on sticking it out too. My youngest sounds just like LMW... must be a youngest kid thing! I'm the youngest of three and I heard I was a nightmare! :P We just tough it out every time either of them have an off night with sleep. It rarely happens but do happen. We just have to stick with our schedule and with a little whimper or some tears here and there they are good either the next night or the night after that. I always insisted on sticking with their routine no matter what and it has always worked for us. If it was up to my husband, all four of us would be in bed together...maybe even the dog too! He does what's easy and I don't always agree b/c I always think "in the long run..." Hope night 3 is the magic night! Keeping my fingers crossed for you guys! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465753 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:54:02 +0000 mrs. wagon 1465753@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Blue: uhhh when I hit "submit" for my reply I saw your ETA, about night 3... !!! EEEE I'm so excited!!! Tonight is night 3!!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465748 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:53:33 +0000 mrs. wagon 1465748@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Blue: oh friend, how nice you are. :heart: So I think you are correct and Wagon Sr. and I are gearing up to tough it out. Bad bad thing is that he has an exam today... and I am still a little sick and recovering from our trip... so we both sat up last night, me unable to rest and him unable to study. Worst. Timing. Ever. But isn't that parenting in a nutshell? ;)</p> <p>So the rest of the night.. we decided, after MUCH debate, to not go in and gamble with the vomit. She has two kinds when she cries, coughs, and gags like she was doing last night: real vomit, and spit vomit (clear and just mucus). I couldn't see a pile on the video monitor so I was crossing my fingers that it was spit vomit. She cried on and off in waves (slowing waves) for over an hour, and then she stopped. And stood there in the corner of her crib. FOR THE REST OF THE NIGHT. (yes, I'm blogging a "The Standoff, part 2" once this is all over.) She stood in her crib, leaning against the crib rails, for 5.5 hours. I do not know how she could have possibly slept standing up but she must have...?? She cried out a few times (probably when her knees started giving in) but otherwise she was quiet the entire rest of the night.</p> <p>Anyway, we went in this morning and she cried when she saw us, but then was happy and goofy. I was SO relieved to see a small pile of spit vomit on the floor (nothing on the crib or even her sleep sack or pajamas, and no foul smell) so we did gamble correctly. Phew. </p> <p>You're right though... and Wagon Sr. pointed out last night that we could choose to have one (or two, or three...) awful night or create more habits from a "fix" that we would have to then FIX later. By the time he pointed that out, she had been crying on and off for 45 mins, so we gave ourselves a time limit of an hour. By the hour mark she was barely crying anymore (and her "cries" were pretty fake sounding) so we knew we had her on the ropes. </p> <p>She "won" because she never did lie down and go back to sleep. But we "won" because we did not go in, hold her, or sit in her doorway. We'll see what tonight brings........ beer tonight for both of us, and lots of coffee tomorrow...!!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465703 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:43:34 +0000 Mrs. Blue 1465703@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrs. wagon: You're not going to like my answer....<br /> But . . . I think you just have to stick it out for a few days. She's so darn stubborn that I suspect if you try any "fixes" you'll neeever get away from them. So I would keep on going with however you want her to continue even if it means loooots of coffee and car naps. How did the rest of the night go after 12:30? Did she throw up? Wake up again? The bedtime routine sounds like it was better than night 1, so that could be a good sign even though it's obviously not where you want to end up. Hang in there, friend. This too shall pass. I'll mail you some of my favorite coffee if you want it! :-)</p> <p>ETA: We've always seen improvement on night 3, so fingers crossed for you! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465638 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:24:04 +0000 mrs. wagon 1465638@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@looch: yes.. this is my worry. Both Wagon Sr. and I are like 100% positive that if we let her cosleep even once or twice to get over this hump and get us all some sleep, she won't leave our bed until she's 5. Or longer. And she is totally one to "show" me, too. I do have an extra mattress that we could make a floor bed with in her room... so if ALL else fails, maybe I could make a bed in her room and cosleep with her in there, sneaking out when I can and coming back in if she needs it. It's so hard for us because our first baby was, is, and hopefully always will be a GREAT sleeper. But she's a totally different kid and now we have to adjust our plans... we can't just apply what worked with him onto her!</p> <p>@erwoo: sighhhh... I may have shed a tear or two! We pride ourselves on the quick bedtime routine and them not needing us at night. gahhhh... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465615 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:15:33 +0000 erwoo 1465615@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>:((((( Sorry to hear about this. I feel for you. I have great sleepers too and if one of them did this I would cry. Actually, it has happened but due to the 12 hour time difference. It took about 4 days of waking up at 3:30 or 4 AM but we were back on track. Hopefully it's just a temporary thing and LMW will be back to her normal schedule again. Travel can definitely throw my kids off! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465590 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:03:57 +0000 looch 1465590@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrs. wagon: When my son quit the crib, after jumping out twice and literally sitting in there, refusing to lay down for something like 2 hours, I realized he wanted to sleep on the full sized futon in his room.</p> <p>One day, during nap routine, I put on his sleepsack and announced "ok, time to sleep" and he scooted off my lap and walked to the futon, climbed on and put his head on the pillow. That was that, we packed up the crib shortly after.</p> <p>Then we moved, twice, and it all went to crap. So, in order to get some sleep, we started co sleeping, at 2 years old. Never would I have thought it would come to that. Now, at 3, we're still co sleeping, but we are getting to the point where he seems to need it less and less, so we are going to start a weaning process.</p> <p>I had plans to keep my son in the crib until age 4, he showed me, lol. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465580 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:00:33 +0000 mrs. wagon 1465580@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@looch: where does he sleep now? I'm terrified of cosleeping (I'm a crazy light sleeper and Wagon Sr. is a very loud, active one) so I'm scared of your answer... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465575 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 08:59:22 +0000 mrs. wagon 1465575@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@looch: she slept in a pack n play right next to the bed where her brother slept.. And we were in a bed on the other side. After putting them to bed we went in and slept after they were both out. Both nights she woke screaming around 4 and we brought her into bed with us. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465442 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 07:44:09 +0000 looch 1465442@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Where did she sleep on the trip?</p> <p>My equally stubborn son quit the crib at 20 months...., </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465411 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 07:12:52 +0000 mrs. wagon 1465411@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@London Mama: Thank you :) :) yes, the word "phase" is my lifeblood these days. And coffee will most definitely be my second lifeblood today...!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465340 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 02:39:20 +0000 London Mama 1465340@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Ouch, that sounds terrible. I'm in a similar situation with DS, he is 19 months old and has never slept through the night. He wakes around 12-1 and cries, and then a few more times before getting up at 6.</p> <p>I work full time too and in the end we moved his crib next to our bed so when he wakes I can soothe him without having to get up. DS is also extremely stubborn and our sleep training attempts usually end with him crying 3 hours straight before I give up. So having him in our room was the only way we could all get some sleep.</p> <p>Most likely your child is going through some kind of phase, I'd be patient and sit in her doorway for a week or two, she'll probably go back to her usual routine sooner or later.</p> <p>Now go make yourself a big cup of coffee! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/retraining-after-travel#post-1465320 Tue, 04 Mar 2014 01:16:52 +0000 mrs. wagon 1465320@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>We went away for 2 nights to visit family, and LMW has decided to just throw our previous life out the window. We used to have a 15 min bedtime routine of bath, lotion, books, songs, put down and then she'd fall asleep on her own and sleep all night. She was having some pretty early wakeups lately but I figured it was just a phase. </p> <p>During the trip we had to sit in the room until she fell asleep, and she woke early as usual, but nothing I didn't really expect. </p> <p>Last night was our first night home and I had to sit in her doorway for hours until she was sound asleep. Every time I tried to leave she immediately stood up and started crying and gagging. She has been vomiting while crying lately. But she finally fell asleep, and then woke at 430am and cried and vomited. So Wagon Sr. went in and held her in the glider for another 2 hours and they both dozed for the rest of the morning. </p> <p>Tonight I had to sit at her doorway again, and this time it only took an hour until she was asleep, but she woke crying at 1230 and is still crying. We never sleep trained her, and she is a stubborn one, so I'm totally at a loss. I'm pretty sure if I brought her into our bed she would sleep. But I'm also pretty sure she would never sleep a wink in her crib ever again. I'm torn between figuring out a way to get her used to her crib again and just bringing her into bed so we can all get some sleep. </p> <p>She is almost 20 months old. </p> <p>Some people ask how I do it all with 2 young kids and working.. It's because we never had sleep issues other than some early wakeups! I cannot do this...! </p>