https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Sat, 02 May 2026 21:34:22 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1953944 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 00:07:27 +0000 hellobeeboston 1953944@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: I love that skit! Eww! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1953833 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:07:50 +0000 fairy 1953833@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ra: Yes my thoughts exactly - if the Duggars were Muslim, there would be uproar and surely no show. They happen to be the right color &amp; faith for people to consider them "wholesome" for literally wanting to outbreed their opponents and supporting hate groups. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1953795 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:48:00 +0000 MrsSCB 1953795@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ra: </p> [attach=2844/14/nfdbs1.363x334.image.jpg] https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1953663 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:06:30 +0000 lawbee11 1953663@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ra: I just saw that on IG. Barf. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1953527 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:29:57 +0000 .twist. 1953527@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ra: UGH. Gross. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1953514 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:24:12 +0000 Ra 1953514@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>This is timely... </p> [attach=2606/14/nfd7wd.338x600.image.jpg] https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1952301 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:16:17 +0000 youboots 1952301@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>My problem is not with 19 kids and counting specifically but with our whole celebrity culture. People who are famous for having a reality show. It's crazy to me. I understand there is a demand for it otherwise it would not be on TV. Perhaps I'm a snob but it makes me sad that our society is so obsessed with an almost voyeuristic need to know what's going on with others. For what it's worth I have never seen the show but have seen a few others in passing over the years, it just makes me sad. For random people to get a soapbox to Promote their agenda to the public because they have some lifestyle that makes good television gives people too much power. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1952293 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 12:13:55 +0000 wonderstruck 1952293@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Nskillet: That's a great point! I can't even imagine being in that position.</p> <p>I think it's pretty pathetic that there was such a freaking uproar over All American Muslim that it got cancelled, but it's okay for the Duggars to spout off ugly things about homosexuality. I realize it's all about the money and advertisers, but I still don't like it. I mean really, hating people for their religion or where their family is from (based on incorrect stereotypes) is apparently accepted - as long as that religion isn't a Christian one, of course! And homophobia is also a-okay. Great. Not saying there aren't people who don't discriminate against Christians, but lets be real, you do not have the same problems as a Muslim person. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1952243 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:58:08 +0000 .twist. 1952243@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Nskillet: I can't imagine. I feel so terrible for any of them who have to possibly battle that struggle. ugh. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1952239 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:55:42 +0000 Nskillet 1952239@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: precisely. I mean can you imagine those conflicting feelings in such a close family? Avoiding self loathing would be near impossible </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1952235 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:54:04 +0000 .twist. 1952235@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Nskillet: If it is true for one (or more) of them, they will have such a hard, conflicted life. :( </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1952231 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:53:03 +0000 Nskillet 1952231@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>What blows my mind is that statistically speaking at least one of those kids is gay. I can't imagine being born into a family raised to hate me? Just terrible. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1951760 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 08:59:13 +0000 looch 1951760@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I agree, I think this thread has a place. I mean, I am not only a parent, I am a lot of other things and I like to flex my brain on topics other than diaper bags and nursery decor once in a while. As we all know, even parenting topics have the ability to get heated. What is required, in my opinion, is the ability to respect each other and discuss rationally, which I think everyone in this thread has managed to do. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1951691 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 08:05:56 +0000 Lindsay05 1951691@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Personally, I love a good political thread. Moms (and dads?)can discuss political issues as good as the next person.</p> <p>I think the show IS doing this to save their butts. It's like any other celebrity ploy to come out with something controversial and hope for some higher ratings from the ordeal. Why not hit America with an sensitive topic such as this. Perhaps this is their actual belief(I know nothing about these people nor do I care) but it's not hard for a struggling network to edit and spin something to however they want. Their belief doesn't offend me. I can easily change the channel and pretend it never happened and go on and watch something else. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1951559 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:24:33 +0000 .twist. 1951559@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@marionberry: I misunderstood your comment then, my apologies. I guess I don't view reality tv and religion as politics. These discussions aren't meant to break us but make us think. It can't always be about diapers and nap schedules. ;) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/3#post-1951556 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:19:55 +0000 mrs. bird 1951556@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@marionberry: your mom is a wise woman, we do vote with our dollars! i don't have cable, so i don't have any pull with cable networks since my tv viewing doesn't effect them, but i don't eat chick fil a and if we had a hobby lobby, i wouldn't shop there either, i don't give money to the salvation army, it's important to me that my $$ not go to things i don't agree with. i don't think we have the right to vote on certain things- like same sex marriage, i believe the supreme court should grant that as a right &amp; protect it from people who would vote to prevent it. freedom of speech is a powerful thing and something to be respected. i respect their right to free speech, but free speech doesn't entitle you to a network to spread &amp; recruit for your agenda though. at what point do we say there is a social responsibility for networks not to promote certain ideas? if the KKK wanted a show and enough people watched it, should we allow that? i'm not suggesting the duggar family has anything to do with the KKK or that they are racists, i'm merely making the point media is very powerful and there is a responsibility that goes along with that &amp; most people would agree that they don't want such BS being broadcast. i don't think on the show itself they do much that's extremely controversial, i don't think TLC should be *required* to pull the show, but i do think because of the actions of the duggar family and the way that they use their fame from the show to promote their beliefs that the network should feel an ethical obligation to pull the show, i would at least hope that advertisers would start pulling ads because as your mom pointed out, money talks. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951548 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:07:16 +0000 marionberry 1951548@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: Well obviously I meant that, just saying political items do not tend to unite people, and this site is not cnn - ie not meant for a political purpose. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951542 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:58:40 +0000 .twist. 1951542@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@marionberry: HB is for uniting parents. That includes moms and moms and dads and dads and moms and dads. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951514 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:29:47 +0000 marionberry 1951514@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrs. bird: the fact is that no reality tv show or one family can strip someone of their rights. Only people can vote to give them these rights or take them away. It is the value of democracy. There will always be groups of people who differ in opinion from you but that is the value of free speech, both ways. As my mom always says, we vote with our dollars and our actions. If enough people disliked the show and it's content it wouldn't be popular and TLC would not carry it. So for those who oppose it being on air, don't watch it. And if enough people agree with you it will go away on its own.</p> <p>@mrbee: Personally I really hate political items even being on HB. This group is supposed to be about uniting moms, not dividing them. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951513 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:28:55 +0000 ScarletBegonia 1951513@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs.Pinecone316: heterosexual family-friendly, that is! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951503 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:23:17 +0000 meganmp 1951503@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I absolutely think the show should be cancelled, but not because of their beliefs. Their actions, maybe, but not beliefs. I think it should be canceled because it's a ridiculous show, akin to The Real Housewives or Jersey Shore or any other show that is a day-in-the-life-of type thing. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951497 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:17:22 +0000 mrs. bird 1951497@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Cchoi4: for me it's not about their religious beliefs, it's about political agenda. if teens getting pregnant or those with addictions were using their tv audience to try to strip others of their rights, i would feel the same way, but as far as i know they're not. i agree with you, everyone is entitled to their beliefs- believe them, live them, but don't try to force others to live them. i wish more people would choose not to watch so that the network would choose to get rid of it. also, i abhor most reality television, i think the majority of it is toxic, and i'm with that you many of the topics covered are not positive for society, but it's not common for the members of such shows to be part of hate groups (totally legal! just morally reprehensible) that use their fame to influence the public to promote policy that oppresses large groups of innocent people. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951496 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:16:20 +0000 yoursilverlining 1951496@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@erinpye: You can argue all damn day "I hate the *behavior* not the person!" That's bull. Being gay isn't a behavior, it is part of who the person IS. </p> <p>Yesss. Cloaked phrases like the that and references to some "homosexual lifestyle" burn me up. I know a lot of gay and lesbian couples and there is no "lifestyle" other than, say, getting up in the morning, going to work, coming home to your family and trying to live life and get by like every single other person on earth. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951467 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:50:48 +0000 littlejoy 1951467@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@blackbird: This!!!</p> <p>I totally disagree with their backwards beliefs, but as long as they aren't committing a hate crime, etc., I don't think TLC would cancel the show. I bet many "famous" people have some pretty crazy personal beliefs. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951445 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:19:26 +0000 Trailmix 1951445@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>It would be one thing is GLTBQ citizens had equal rights and respect in this country, then I'd say, sure, have a tv show and believe whatever you want. But when people's beliefs perpetuate systems of inequality and hate that specifically target certain groups of people, it upsets me that they are given a voice and public platform for these abhorrent views.<br /> So, yes, I think it should be cancelled. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951429 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:07:44 +0000 lilteacherbee 1951429@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@erinpye: :heart: exactly what I was thinking. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951426 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:06:30 +0000 Cchoi4 1951426@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Regardless of what we think of their beliefs/religion, they have a right to have them. Its kind of strange in this society that we love to watch reality tv about people with all sorts of problems - cheating, alcoholism, hinted drug use, flaunting riches, superficial lifestyles, teen pregnancy, fraud (all things that hurt others)....but when someone has religious beliefs that don't align with ours, now somehow they are the worst of the worst. Live and let live...As always, if you don't agree, don't watch.</p> <p>ETA - I realize i just sounded really insensitive. I don't mean that I agree with the Duggar's views, I just meant that they have a right to what they believe. That is all. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951415 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 20:40:26 +0000 erinpye 1951415@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I've never found them interesting enough to watch, but hate is hate, and I don't think people actively making it clear they hate a group of people, should have the privilege of a TV show platform. </p> <p>You can argue all damn day "I hate the *behavior* not the person!" That's bull. Being gay isn't a behavior, it is part of who the person IS. So yes, by denouncing homosexuality as a "choice" and something you believe you can pick to hate about a person, you hate the person.</p> <p>I am a Christian, and don't ever want to be lumped in with the bigots in my faith who hate people God made (and deeply LOVES) the way they are. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951414 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 20:35:35 +0000 winniebee 1951414@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrs. bird: love this. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/should-19-kids-amp-counting-be-canceled-over-anti-lgbt-stance/page/2#post-1951364 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 19:43:45 +0000 cyndistar3 1951364@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@coopsmama: Those are my thoughts exactly. </p>