https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Sun, 12 Apr 2026 00:55:15 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-2001829 Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:00:36 +0000 cascademom 2001829@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@fussygal: I think it's going to be months from now. If we're lucky, it'll be sooner especially with the heat of the podcast. I think Adnan's appeal with the help of the Innocence Project is coming up. They're using that to have DNA tested compared to the serial rapist as a way of eliminating Adnan as killer/suspect. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-2001825 Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:55:49 +0000 fussygal 2001825@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Does anyone know when they're expecting to have the results from the DNA testing? If that was said before I missed it! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-2001783 Mon, 29 Dec 2014 21:58:36 +0000 Weagle 2001783@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@photojane: The snowstorm didn't start until 4AMish. And I'm totally hooked on the Serial subreddit. :) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-2001636 Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:48:10 +0000 photojane 2001636@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Just finished last night! So good.</p> <p>I think Jay is a big fat liar. His recent interview didn't help matters. There's no way they "buried" the body at midnight... there was a blizzard happening at that point. But, anyway... I don't believe anything he's said to anyone. He was definitely coached during the trial. </p> <p>I don't think Adnan should've been convicted either way, but my gut tells me he's innocent. I've been reading a lot about the case (has anyone else been on Reddit?) and I really think there's a good chance it was someone else. I think if Adnan was involved at all or had any information that would've prevented him from receiving a life sentence, he would've shared. </p> <p>I'm so excited to see what comes out of the DNA testing! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-2001627 Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:34:55 +0000 cascademom 2001627@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I posted this in the other thread: <a href="https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/" rel="nofollow">https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-2001624 Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:32:24 +0000 blackbird 2001624@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@lawbee11: interesting.....I feel like knowing you helped by burying a body probably would mess you up for life, too. </p> <p>I just finished today. So so interesting. I definirely feel like there's enough reasonable doubt that Adnan shouldn't be in prison over this... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1997349 Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:52:10 +0000 lawbee11 1997349@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Jay posted this on Facebook last night. It's since been taken down. </p> [attach=1395/14/nh3wqy.600x192.image.jpg] https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1995126 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:14:47 +0000 Nskillet 1995126@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Foodnerd81: I think this is an interesting theory but wouldn't Adnan tell the cops about this? Like if you were being tried for murder wouldn't you give it all up? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1994315 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:13:51 +0000 mediagirl 1994315@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I'm still stuck on why didn't Don (Hae's boyfriend) or Adnan (Hae's ex-boyfriend) try to call her after she went missing? If everyone thought she moved to California, why not just attempt to contact her? How do you go from contact all the time to 0 just like that? That I just don't get... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1994031 Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:11:23 +0000 Lilbear 1994031@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Omg did you guys see this snl serial parody?!?! So funny! <a href="http://theskimm.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=02e860b1027d7c0e3dbcbe0e6&#038;id=6dac1838e2&#038;e=d3a66efc95" rel="nofollow">http://theskimm.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=02e860b1027d7c0e3dbcbe0e6&#038;id=6dac1838e2&#038;e=d3a66efc95</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1990874 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:31:45 +0000 Foodnerd81 1990874@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I am just catching up on this-- started the series late, and caught up quickly, just listened to the last one. </p> <p>My gut feeling is that Jay and Adnan were both involved somehow, but they are covering for something else-- especially Jay. I think they were involved with someone or something really bad and their lies were to cover for that, which led to Adnan looking more guilty (and Jay pinning it on him). </p> <p>Total speculation, but what if Hae found out about Adnan's involvement in this "bad thing" (drug dealers? mafia? gangs?), confronted him, and he either killed her, or told Jay about it and Jay killed her, and they tried to cover it up?</p> <p>I also like the Jay being informant idea and the cops coaching him to make things line up for their story.</p> <p>No matter what really happened, I feel confident that he should not have been found guilty based on the case from the state and that's really really sad. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1990511 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:22:54 +0000 birdofafeather 1990511@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>i have no theories, but hearing the evidence laid out, it really seems like i would say not guilty for reasonable doubt. it's hard though because NOW we know that the cell phone records don't really match jay's (changing) timeline but i don't think it was spelled out that way with jurors. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1990504 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:09:44 +0000 BananaPancakes 1990504@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@littlejoy: I really like that part of the article, as well. I know a lot of people have criticized Serial for making Hae's death fodder for our entertainment , but I thinks it helped millions of people learn about aNd care for her. I've never once forgot her in the thick of this case. I think she's the kind of girl that would want the world to know her story. But that's just my opinion. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1990450 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:12:37 +0000 littlejoy 1990450@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrbee: Whoa! I love that theory!! Okay, so let's say the DNA can be tested, and they get information from it. I wonder if they have DNA samples from Adnan and Jay on file already. </p> <p>If not, can Jay's DNA be obtained? I imagine they would need a warrant, and if the case isn't open, is this possible? Technically, this isn't an unsolved murder case. According to the state, Adnan is the killer. Was Jay's case dismissed? Or was he found not-guilty? Thinking of double jeopardy, etc. </p> <p>This is what my brain feels like right now: </p> [attach=5603/14/ngstp1.500x281.wall.jpg] https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1990438 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:01:58 +0000 littlejoy 1990438@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@lawbee11: I loved this part of that article:</p> <p>"Some listeners think Hae has been obscured by the podcast’s focus on the minutia of the case, but I disagree. Between the voice of her diary and the way her friends talk about her, she has become a more vivid character to me than anyone else in “Serial.” Don’s story made me see her, joking around during the slow times in a suburban eyeglass shop, making a play for an older guy and grounded enough both to recognize his need for a little self-image pep talk and to offer one. It seems inconceivable that anyone would want to destroy a person like that. Hae, Hae: even in second- and third-hand stories, she is so strong, and so brimming with life that sometimes I forget for a moment that she’s dead. And yet that’s the only thing we really know for sure." </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1990436 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:01:22 +0000 littlejoy 1990436@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@LuLu Mom: Oh! For sure!!! My tone (impossible to read online) was one of question. But, he's had time to establish a position, and he probably wanted to get a word in on the podcast, and make sure he sounded good. "If I say I loved her, people will feel like I'm a good guy!". That's how I saw it! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1990433 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:59:08 +0000 LuLu Mom 1990433@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@littlejoy: I have a hard time believing he "loved" her if they were only together for 3 weeks, I'm cynical I guess, I feel like that's the aftermath of her being taken so suddenly and maybe a wishful memory, but I could be wrong. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1990423 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:51:55 +0000 mrbee 1990423@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@LuLu Mom: @littlejoy: There was a post saying that the serial killer theory wasn't a real theory... just an excuse that the Innocence Project was using to get evidence tested for DNA!</p> <p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2poepm/dierdre_enright_the_innocence_project_and_the_big/" rel="nofollow">http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2poepm/dierdre_enright_the_innocence_project_and_the_big/</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale/page/2#post-1990421 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:51:01 +0000 littlejoy 1990421@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@LuLu Mom: Don told SK that he loved Hae, and still loved her. </p> <p>I hadn't thought of your last point, that Jay could have been a CI for the police. Very valid and plausible idea!! That probably would have been a conflict of interest though (if he was beforehand), but if he was willing to spill information regarding current drug crime (which he was obviously privy to), then I could see them helping him!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1990419 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:50:36 +0000 lawbee11 1990419@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p><a href="http://www.salon.com/2014/12/18/serials_beautiful_ending_how_the_final_episode_struck_the_perfect_note/" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/2014/12/18/serials_beautiful_ending_how_the_final_episode_struck_the_perfect_note/</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1990415 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:48:42 +0000 littlejoy 1990415@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Okay, I FINALLY got a chance to listen!! </p> <p>So, the serial killer theory gave me goosebumps!! But then, when SK reminded the audience that Jay still had all of that information, I feel like the whole theory was busted.</p> <p>Can someone remind me: Mr. S was the one who found the body and called the police, right? </p> <p>Jay knew where Hae's car was, and her body had already been found. Did Jay ever confirm her knew where Hae's body was? </p> <p>Was there ever physical evidence found? Shovels? Clothing? Dirt? </p> <p>I am still just as confused as I have been, but I really loved this last episode. I thought it was full of great content. If I were on the jury, I would have likely said not guilty, and it would have been due to a lack of evidence to prove Adnan was guilty. </p> <p>Now I'll spend my afternoon Googling information about DNA and how long it can "live" in evidence!! ;) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1990155 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:15:59 +0000 Ra 1990155@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@LuLu Mom: Oh yeah. I get the same feeling. She was a smitten school girl, he was just having fun. Still, I feel like sheer curiosity would lead most people to follow the case. I don't know, perhaps @BananaPancakes: is right and he was too traumatized to follow along. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1990152 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:12:24 +0000 LuLu Mom 1990152@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ra: @BananaPancakes: Not to me, but I agree it's weird Don doesn't seem to know more about the case aka Jay. I sometimes wonder if the boyfriend/girlfriend titles were a little stretched, and Hae didn't just have a big high school girl crush on an older man, they went out a couples times, and it was blown up more, Don really wasn't that into it?</p> <p>@mrbee: I totally think the detectives were "helping" Jay with his story, it is the only thing that makes sense about him having a provided lawyer. I also can see him being an informant and that's why he was so skittish about people "after him", he was scared someone found out about that not necessarily him helping in the murder? OR that he would some how get in trouble/ruin his deal as an informant because he helped in such a big crime when I'm guessing if he was giving information up it was on drug related crimes. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1990132 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:01:30 +0000 BananaPancakes 1990132@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ra: I thought it was super weird! Maybe it was really traumatizing for him. Like if he just ignored the whole thing, it didn't exist. People handle tragedies so differently, but I just can't see him being able to totally avoid the case at all. How long after the arrest was the trial? Maybe by that time he had moved away or something and was just putting it behind him. Just trying to come up with excuses for him, I suppose. They really did only date for 3 weeks, so it's not like they were on the path to marriage or anything. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1990120 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:54:29 +0000 Ra 1990120@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@BananaPancakes: Did you find it weird that Don said he'd never even heard of Jay until the podcast? I don't think he had anything to do with it, I just think it's bizarre that his girlfriend was murdered and he didn't even follow the murder trial. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1990118 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:53:09 +0000 psw27 1990118@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrbee @bananapancakes @twodoghouse I saw on Reddit yesterday an interesting theory that Jay was actually a police informant for other crimes and that the cops bullied him into this story... that seems a bit far fetched since Jay obviously knew Adnan previously but it is interesting to think about. </p> <p>I wonder what the police really had on Jay to convince him to line his story up and for them to provide an attorney for him. (Which I can say as a lawyer, was absolutely INSANE when that came out... that is so beyond unethical, I can't even get into it.) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1990112 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:48:45 +0000 BananaPancakes 1990112@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrbee: Well Don's interview where he mentioned the prosecutor becoming irate because he didn't make Adnan sound "creepy" is is enough for me to assume they did all sorts of shady things with witnesses to get the result they wanted. I don't think it's far-fetched at all to surmise they did a whole lot of helping Jay along in his narrative.</p> <p>@twodoghouse: I remember being blown away that this was standard procedure ever! Hours upon hours of coming up with a story before anything was ever taped. So insane. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1990028 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:08:17 +0000 twodoghouse 1990028@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mrbee: I think that's what was going on in the untaped hours Jay was with the detectives. Things like Patapsco State Park were dropped because it didn't fit the timeline the detectives proposed from the cell records. I think the only way the case didn't become he said/he said was that Jay's account (at trial) was corroborated by the cell records. Adnan said himself that it was a pretty powerful demonstration and it only worked if Jay, the cell records and the timeline match. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1989988 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:40:06 +0000 mrbee 1989988@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@BananaPancakes: I wonder if the detectives were helping Jay with his timeline/narrative too! Would explain a lot... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/spoilers-discussion-of-serial-finale#post-1989977 Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:29:12 +0000 BananaPancakes 1989977@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Ra: I've gone back and forth about Jay setting Adnan up. Honestly, I've wondered if he just got really lucky in his lying and that Adnan was really unlucky in his truth. It's not impossible that a being compulsive liar (like practically everyone has said about Jay) he would be able to spin enough lies that a few good ones stick. And then things just progressed from there because they state really needed to convict someone. It's obvious none of his story adds up, but obviously the state didn't care. </p>