https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Sat, 11 Jul 2026 16:10:54 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699952 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 15:47:00 +0000 ShootingStar 699952@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I found that article very scare tactic-y. The best line was, "we therefore have no way of knowing if a baby or child that is not crying is in fact asleep, or is in what is known as a 'dissociative' state." Implying that they ARE in a dissociative state. Which is not scientific, it's a scare tactic. You could put anything in that statement. "We don't know if baby is sleeping or quietly plotting revenge" "We don't know if baby is sleeping or wishing they could watch more tv." It's just ridiculous.</p> <p>I also didn't like how they claimed that if you "made" the baby sleep more than appropriate for their development, it would be a SIDS risk. Talk about scare tactic :-/. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699753 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:57:31 +0000 lovehoneybee 699753@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Freckles: "A lot of people who do CIO still attend to nightfeeds, but the purpose of doing CIO is to get the baby to fall back asleep on their own." </p> <p>This is absolutely us. Our main goal in sleep training was to teach him to fall asleep on his own in his own crib, since until he was nearly 6 months old he refused to sleep or nap anywhere but my arms. After we sleep trained (a sort of modified CIO) I went to him every time he woke up after he was down for the night. He's 8 months today and I'm just now started waiting 5 minutes to give him a chance to settle himself back down to sleep before I go in. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699731 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:52:40 +0000 sarac 699731@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Research like this (and I found a lot more of it in the literature) really backed up my emotional reaction to sleep training. It made me feel really confidant about what I chose for my family, even when it was difficult. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699698 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:44:26 +0000 NovBaby1112 699698@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Freckles: aww i am sorry!! you in no way caused any damage to your LO, teaching them to fall asleep independently is a very important thing for babies to learn, and it looks like your method is what worked best for your LO. its not like you were denying her food when she was genuinely hungry. i am curious about the studies too, but she didn't have any evidence to back up where she got her research from, so i guess its all a crapshoot lol</p> <p>@mrsjazz: oh wow! that's interesting...your last sentence is so true. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699600 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:22:10 +0000 mrsjazz 699600@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@NovBaby1112: I have no idea if this is true or not. Agree with @zippylef: that you'll find studies that will show both sides and ultimately parents have to do what they think is best for their child(ren) and themselves. Eg: Our pediatrician is part of a larger org., the founder of the practice has written books and his suggestion is to put the baby down for bed while still awake and then come back again at 7 a.m.--that's it. We don't agree, so we don't do it--he can show me 500 studies (or 500 patients) that say this is what we should do. I don't think it's about whether or not this article is "right" or "true" because I'm sure it is both right and true for SOME babies, just like it's both right and true for some babies on the pro-sleep training side. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699597 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:21:58 +0000 Freckles 699597@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@NovBaby1112: Sorry, i didn't realize how defensive I sounded!! It wasn't directed at you, i swear. :) I'm actually genuinely curious about the studies as it would help me see where she's getting her assertions from. It was always in the back of my mind, whether i was causing psychological damage to LO, so anytime someone says it does, it breaks my heart. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699555 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 14:07:49 +0000 NovBaby1112 699555@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Freckles: im sorry it offended you, that was not my intention at all, although I know its a highly debated topic...I very much agree with you on when and how to do CIO, and not just ignoring their cries all night, etc. I am not sure what studies she is referring to, I was just genuinely curious if what this author wrote is true </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699521 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:56:40 +0000 Freckles 699521@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>This article really got under my skin.</p> <p>It really depends on when you decide to do CIO, and what the purpose is. A lot of people who do CIO still attend to nightfeeds, but the purpose of doing CIO is to get the baby to fall back asleep on their own. It is not ignoring their needs. SIDS risk also falls at 6 months.</p> <p>I did the CIO method at 4.5 months only to get LO to fall asleep on her own. I still attended to her night feeds. It was only at the 8 month mark that i started to slowly wean her from night feeds.</p> <p>I agree with @zippylef: that we all need to validate our choices...we do what we believe is best for our situation and baby, and what you're most comfortable with.</p> <p>Also, what "recent studies" is she even referring to? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699486 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:47:43 +0000 NovBaby1112 699486@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@kml636: yea, it's confusing when there are articles both for or against something, both backed up by research lol....i think in these cases, mommy instinct wins</p> <p>@littlebittyhouse: so true! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699457 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:39:01 +0000 littlebittyhouse 699457@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think that being armed with all the information is a great thing and that you need to make your decision based on your families needs. I just can't CIO so we cosleep but that is not the solution that is right for everyone. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699173 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:30:09 +0000 kml636 699173@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I feel so conflicted. Like @zippylef: shows, there are so many things for or against it. I think I'm going to put it off until LO is 5.5 months... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699094 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:07:59 +0000 NovBaby1112 699094@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@zippylef: thanks for those articles! i totally agree that you can find facts and arguments for both sides of any issue, and I am not judging anyone who has chosen a different issue than i have. I was just curious if others thought the article was based on facts or if it was just something to scare parents into not doing CIO. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699046 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:54:12 +0000 loveisstrange 699046@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>For every. single. article you can find one parenting, there is another one to refute it.</p> <p><a href="http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2009/06/30/cry-it-out-method-not-as-harmful-to-babies-as-critics-claim/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2009/06/30/cry-it-out-method-not-as-harmful-to-babies-as-critics-claim/</a></p> <p><a href="http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/10/its-o-k-to-let-babies-cry-it-out-at-bedtime/" rel="nofollow">http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/10/its-o-k-to-let-babies-cry-it-out-at-bedtime/</a></p> <p>We all feel the need to validate our own decisions with stuff like this... but really, we all need to take ALL of it with a grain of salt and make our decisions based on the personal needs and personalities of our own individual families. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/thoughts-about-this-article-on-sleep-training#post-699026 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:48:44 +0000 NovBaby1112 699026@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Awhile back I was considering CIO when LO went through a rough patch, but decided it just wasn't for me (I can barely stand to hear her cry for 2 minutes let alone more than that!) and her sleep naturally improved on its own, although I am sure we will have more rough nights and regressions in the future but I am fine with that. We let her "fuss" a bit but I go to her immediately when she starts to cry. It works fine for us and I don't judge those who do it differently!</p> <p>I recently came across this article on sleep training and some of the information in it made me glad we didn't let her CIO, but also made me wonder how true it is?? <a href="http://www.isisonline.org.uk/how_babies_sleep/sleep_training/considerations/" rel="nofollow">http://www.isisonline.org.uk/how_babies_sleep/sleep_training/considerations/</a></p> <p>Especially this part:<br /> A recent study demonstrated that mothers and babies undergoing a controlled-crying intervention started out with matching, synchronous, hormonal stress responses (babies cried at bed-time, their stress hormone levels increased, and their mothers' stress hormone levels also increased). After three days, babies had ceased to cry at night, and mothers' stress hormone levels dropped, however babies levels - despite the fact they were no longer crying - remained high. This suggests that the babies behaviour had adapted to being alone for sleep, but that their physiology had not. The response of the babies in this study lends support to the theory that babies who undergo sleep training via extinction may be learning to 'give up' rather than to 'settle' -- outwardly the two behaviours appear the same, but inwardly the babies physiology is very different. As well as being physically separated from their mothers, the sleep trained babies were no longer in physical synchrony with their mothers as their mutual stress response link (maintained by infant crying) had been broken. </p>