https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Wed, 13 May 2026 01:07:41 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339180 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:27:48 +0000 ShootingStar 2339180@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>It's really interesting to hear that she was recently placed in foster care. DH and I have been going through the classes to become foster to adopt parents, and really what you learn is that these kids have been through so much that no one will ever really know. And that their brains become wired differently. Control for foster kids is also a BIG thing.</p> <p>Maybe this girl was forcibly removed from her home by police and that's why she respect or listen to the officer in question. Maybe she's in a really bad mental place, and her way to avoid the world is to get absorbed in her phone. Maybe she feels like there's nothing else in her world she could control, so she got hyper focused on the phone. We'll never know, that's the point. And because we don't know, we should try to have empathy.</p> <p>I know the girl in question is older, but if you're interested in learning about a typical foster kid experience, watch this - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOeQUwdAjE0" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOeQUwdAjE0</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339171 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:23:04 +0000 jedeve 2339171@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I think what's disturbing to me is that in so many of these situations they escalate quickly. I used to work at a homeless shelter, and often I would see male staff members escalate a situation (because they wanted to demonstrate their authority and rules are rules and if someone is breaking the rule, they need to start obeying it ASAP or else, and then all of a sudden everyone is yelling and someone has to call the cops because a fight is breaking out.)</p> <p>i took a training in descalation techniques and found it very helpful. A lot of the reason I didn't have to call the cops as often was simply because I was female - a client could act like he was listening to me just because he decided to respect the lady, not because he lost an argument. </p> <p>I saw cops escalate things with clients often, but I also saw some who were really excellent at calming a situation down. </p> <p>In all the rhetoric on this event I keep seeing people saying things like, "well, she didn't do X, so obviously next step is physical force. That just doesn't make sense to me. That's just escalating a situation. </p> <p>Like with toddlers. they can go all day long in a screaming match, but what usually ends tantrums is figuring out what the real problem is and addressing it together. </p> <p>I think when a teacher or officer is more focused on winning and being seen as the authority, things will escalate quicker. And really what was the goal - to get her to put away her phone and stop disrupting the class? Or for the officer to be listened to? If it was the first, sounds like she did that. Consequences could've been dealt with later. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339139 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:59:38 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2339139@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@littlejoy: Geez, that's big! I thought my HS was large with 1700 students. </p> <p>Yes, to "improper training (or execution of that training)." </p> <p>I don't think all police officers are bad and in many circumstances when the interactions that have been caught on camera we can see where both parties have behaved poorly. The difference is the officers are trained to deescalate and difuse situations. Instead we see the police not use discretion and the outcomes are violent and sometimes deadly. </p> <p>Unfortunately, many of these incidents feature a white officer and black civilian. There's an incident right now in a city near me where an officer killed a motorist that was waiting for a tow truck on the side of the highway. It was 3 am, the officer was in plain clothes, and in an unmarked car. According to the officer the motorist pulled a gun on him. The motorist was a musician at his church and the gun was legally registered. We will never know for sure if the officer identified himself or if the gun was pulled on him. In light of all of the excessive force cases the motorists' family is highly suspicious of the officer's account.</p> <p> I can't blame the media for asking the questions, "did this happen because so and so was X?" If we look at the recent high beam traffic stop that left the 17 year old dead no one is exempt from excessive or deadly force. Before that two cops beat a homeless, mentally ill man to death in CA. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339109 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:34:04 +0000 littlejoy 2339109@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I brought up demographics, because it's what we're seeing over and over again: white police officers using excessive force on people of color. I think the media is latching onto this, because it's happening over and over again. It's a pattern. It's a truth that white mothers probably don't have to sit their children down and tell them that a police officer will automatically profile them because of their skin tone. I know that much force was not needed to get this student to cooperate.</p> <p>It all comes down to a power trip, improper training (or execution of that training), and a lack of respect on both sides. :( </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339100 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:25:06 +0000 littlejoy 2339100@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: It was in a township that would have been considered middle class, low crime. Very diverse area: mansions to apartments. The school had over 6,000 students, which is part of it. The school was mostly minority. There were many private schools, which probably contributed to the skewed demographics at my school. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339097 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:22:40 +0000 Mrs D 2339097@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I agree completely...just giving the facts since littlejoy (I believe) had commented on the make up of her school...also just commenting that it further proves race doesnt matter - kids disrespect officers no matter what </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339088 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:20:44 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2339088@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: with respect to your, "we had very few minority students in my school," again, I don't think this case has to do with the student's race. Lots of schools have resource officers.</p> <p>@littlejoy: your school had a ton of officers. Was it located in a low income/ high crime area? One of my high schools was majority minority, but I only recall seeing maybe 2 or 3 uniformed officers on a regular basis. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339087 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:20:32 +0000 Maysprout 2339087@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: I meant two people to help escort her out of the desk if that's the route they were going to take. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339072 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:13:16 +0000 Mrs D 2339072@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: Did I not see two officers in the room? And a teacher? I thought I recalled two men who were dressed similarly walking in...I could be completely wrong tho...</p> <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I think removing the other students is a great idea. Though it just upsets me for one student to disrupt a class so much... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339066 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 14:10:38 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2339066@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: admittedly, I have never seen someone so willfully disobey a teacher or an officer, but once she decided to take her stance I would have removed the rest of the class. The teacher stopped teaching because he was focused on her. The mere presence of the officer didn't change her stance. So get the other students out of there and isolate her since that's what the teacher and officer wanted to do. The student basically practiced a non-violent protest (sit in) because she didn't agree that she broke just rules or at least remedied the rule she broke.</p> <p>@yoursilverlining: oh wow, I hadn't heard much about the student in this case. Some of her classmates were not really sure what she even did for the school administrator and resource officer to be called to the classroom. Shouldn't the administration have details on students such as their living situation and thus know how to better handle certain students? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339030 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:44:34 +0000 Maysprout 2339030@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: I don't think it changes anything. If they were worried about violence that's all the more reason there should have been more adults present.<br /> It's a weak excuse to say oh well a kid hit me so I have to give them brain damage. Have another officer present so a kid doesn't have to be so weak from having the shit kicked out of them that one officer has the confidence to think they're subdued and he has control. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339020 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:38:00 +0000 Mrs D 2339020@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@mediagirl: I despise lawyers...and I think its ok to say that because I live with one...the BS he spins out of his mouth makes me vomit!</p> <p>@Maysprout: Personally I think the leeway should be applied after the removal (to not skew the judgement of other kids who may not know there is a reason for said leeway) but yes your suggestions are more appropriate - especially in light of this being a case of a student using her cell phone. Now...if the student has a history of getting physical with the safety officers...it changes things again... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339012 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:35:49 +0000 Mrs D 2339012@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@littlejoy: I am certainly spoiled in my current community...our FD and PD is very active from a positive standpoint...it saddens me when I see them treated poorly - which I do often.</p> <p>We had plenty of fights - and I grew up in the corn fields with very few minorities in my school - and I saw these officers "body slam" students during these situations. I also saw a female student body slammed for throwing something at an officer immediately after she spit in his face - I consider his actions completely warranted.... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339005 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:31:56 +0000 Mrs D 2339005@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@yoursilverlining: @T.H.O.U.: @ms.line: @mediagirl: So if this is all over a cell phone and not her making threats/or putting the safety of other students at risk then certainly there are other ways it could have been handled. </p> <p>That said - 1) there still needed to be some action so as to not completely undermine the authority figures. 2) her currently family situation does not give her the ability to break rules/not follow rules - but it should perhaps dictate the repercussions once removed IMO and 3) this is why kids should not be allowed to have cell phones in school...black and white rule, you're in class = no cell phones on you!!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339003 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:31:46 +0000 littlejoy 2339003@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: Interesting for sure. We had it too. My school was mostly minority students. It was a huge school, with 20ish officers employed full time, plus the circling district officers that helped during the start and end of the day. </p> <p>I remember our officers being in our classrooms in elementary school as well. More than just 1 or 2 times a year. They were in the school, and part of our days. </p> <p>I saw something totally different. Of course, there are always exceptions, but for the most part, the police and students had a great coexistence. </p> <p>FWIW, I did see fights, and students were still dicks to the teachers at times, too. </p> <p>It goes beyond school as well. This should reach into the community. After 3 years of living in our neighborhood (which has monthly street fairs), we saw police setup a booth with balloons and stickers for kids for the FIRST time just this past summer. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2339002 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:31:41 +0000 Maysprout 2339002@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: one might be to give her a little leeway since she'd had so much tragedy recently and find resources after class to help in the future. Another would to be to request another adult - each link an elbow and slide and lift. Another would be to drag her desk into the hallway. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338995 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:29:16 +0000 mediagirl 2338995@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: hahaha. Gotta love bs lawyer talk. "ready to learn and participate" (my left foot). </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338994 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:28:41 +0000 Mrs D 2338994@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: admittedly, as I said, I do not know the facts of this case. Was she merely playing on her cell phone and that was the root of this all? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338993 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:28:35 +0000 mediagirl 2338993@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: I don't usually get involved in these discussions but from what I've heard, she wasn't disturbing anyone. She just wouldn't get off her phone. If she was verbally or physically distracting the class, I would understand. It sounds like she wasn't and this ended up being a much bigger distraction than letting her sit there, on her phone until he could deal with it later, after class. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338989 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:26:17 +0000 ms.line 2338989@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: At risk of what? Do you think her fellow students were less disturbed by seeing her body slammed and dragged out of the room than they would have been had she been allowed to remain in class until the end of the period? This was poor classroom management by all adults involved. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338985 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:24:40 +0000 T.H.O.U. 2338985@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: I think thats a good question. The student was obviously refusing to cooperate and leave. Her lawyer on TV said that by that point she had put away the phone and was ready to learn and participate. If that was the case, then I would have suggested waiting outside the classroom or in the back of the classroom until the period was over and then escorting her to the office for her punishment. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338983 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:24:16 +0000 yoursilverlining 2338983@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs D: Well, she had been recently orphaned and is/was living in foster care - - so, that probably contributed to her actions.</p> <p>No matter what the circumstance, no adult has the right to physically manhandle minors who are not presenting *immediate* and clear physical danger to themselves or others. Even if kids are acting like little shits, you don't get to assault them.</p> <p>ETA: we had school officers (both active on-duty police and private security force officers) at my middle school. Nothing like this ever happened, even though there were plenty of disrespectful and trying students. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338981 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:23:41 +0000 Mrs D 2338981@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@littlejoy: fwiw...we had this in my highschool. Our safety officers were very present...very involved...good officers. They attended events, circulated at lunchtime and had "planned" visits to classrooms at various times. This did not prevent groups of students from taunting, heckling and otherwise harassing them...</p> <p>It is possible to teach children to respect proper authority and also teach them what "proper authority" is. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338979 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:22:58 +0000 T.H.O.U. 2338979@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: @ms.line: I agree that kids need to see repercussions because I think that is part of the media outrage right now that officers are "getting away with it". </p> <p>But yes, there is a second part of the message to kids that media isn't highlighting that the student needs to also be punished. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338976 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:20:56 +0000 Mrs D 2338976@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Out of curiousity...and not to insinuate that his actions were appropriate...but this student was clearly not leaving class without being removed physically...what were the other options in this case? Allow her to stay and disrupt class and potentially put other students at risk?</p> <p>I realize I got way off topic here...but having never had to physically restrain someone...I cannot truthfully say that from watching the several videos I have watched he had many other options for getting her out of her chair ... and subsequently out of the classroom. What is not possible to understand from the video is which party caused the student to "propel" at the speed at which she did - which is the concerning part of the situation to me.</p> <p>Should officers not get involved when resisted? For fear of backlash of their every action - which may be captured by cell phone? To me...they should be able to act how they feel appropriate (I know not every officers understanding/opinion of appropriate is correct)...given proper training I would hope - and have those actions investigated later if there is concern they were not appropriate. Again, I get it we will have bad apples in each profession and those apples would ideally be flushed out through processes and procedures... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338974 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:20:42 +0000 littlejoy 2338974@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Truth Bombs: Sure. That leads to my point of police officers really needing to take a more proactive role in our society. I do know they do amazing work, and help more than hurt ... but the media doesn't portray that. In the same breath, it's wrong and inexcusable that minorities are targeted, abused, and prosecuted by our criminal justice system more in this country. I think it's important that our society knows this. We are so whitewashed, we don't even realize it. </p> <p>If the police had an open dialogue with the students and parents, I don't think things like this would happen. The police fear these kids. The kids fear the police. </p> <p>I imagine a high school that had small groups (during study time, or whatever) where the kids and police could interact honestly with each other, would be invaluable. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338959 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:13:20 +0000 MrsSCB 2338959@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: on the flip side of that, though, if he wasn't fired/punished, what message would that send kids? That adults can be violent toward them without repercussions? As the adult, and as a police officer, he had a responsibility to be the bigger person and defuse the situation. Absolutely punish the student for not following directions, but not in the moment with such violence. How can we teach kids that violence is not an appropriate way to deal with conflict if we don't come down hard on people acting like this, particularly people who should know better? </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338957 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:12:33 +0000 Truth Bombs 2338957@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@littlejoy: "In regards to the media, meh ... I don't know. They are reporting the facts they know (maybe some speculation), but I wouldn't say they've caused our society to distrust police. I think the police are creating this by killing/hurting innocent people. It's an abuse of power that's very, very common. " While you're absolutely correct. We have to also acknowledge that the media digs in and hangs on to incessant reporting on a story of a bad cop much more than on the hundreds of good cop stories that happen every day. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338956 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:12:06 +0000 ms.line 2338956@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@T.H.O.U.: What message does it send to our kids??? That physical assault by law enforcement is not an appropriate response to violating school policy? Fine message to me. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/trial-by-mediaprofiling-in-the-other-direction#post-2338952 Thu, 29 Oct 2015 13:07:08 +0000 Mrs D 2338952@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I think this case too raises many more questions than racial ones. I read an interesting article today on the youths perception of police officers and how sad it is nowadays. I think there always have been and always will be "bad apples" in every single profession. I have watched several videos of the incident...I cant help but want to understand why she didnt willingly just get up? Even before the officer was in the room...presumably others asked her to leave before the safety officer was called.</p> <p>At any rate - I think this one in particular raises many many questions - beyond the race card...I am just frustrated how matter-of-factly the media reports this stuff.</p> <p>@Truth Bombs: I dont know anything about this students history at school...but I have seen incidents in my own high school where force would have been warranted. Not saying this officer used appropriate force...just saying I have seen times when it is warranted for the safety of other students.</p> <p>@T.H.O.U.: I have seen similar posts and that is part of hat is driving my thoughts...However I dont feel any of these are "obviously a right/wrong" situation...just because there are so many facts we could be hearing/not hearing...unless you were in that room I think its just so hard to say "its right" or "its wrong". </p>