https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Sun, 12 Apr 2026 18:46:23 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/4#post-2378977 Sat, 05 Dec 2015 15:50:35 +0000 808love 2378977@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Oh, I'm just bawling now!!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/4#post-2360704 Tue, 17 Nov 2015 22:15:52 +0000 jlm22 2360704@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Yes. It brought tears to my eyes. It broke my heart and warmed my heart at the same time :heart: What a great response by his father, but it's heart breaking that any child has to have that fear. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/4#post-2360667 Tue, 17 Nov 2015 21:50:21 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2360667@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Did you see this? A dad explains Paris to his little boy. "The baddies have guns, but we have flowers." </p> <p><a href="http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-terror-attacks/fathers-talk-son-about-paris-terror-attack-goes-viral-n464981" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-terror-attacks/fathers-talk-son-about-paris-terror-attack-goes-viral-n464981</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/4#post-2358544 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 15:42:45 +0000 Golden Rule 2358544@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@agold: I mentioned it being a safe space because I don't want you to feel cornered when your opinion isn't what the majority believes on this forum. I believe in an open and honest discussion so we can challenge each others ideas, but I understand that can be hard. Which is why I chose not to affiliate my regular screen name with the discussion (also, for some reason just want to keep my potty training advice separate from my political and moral views!). Sorry, just tried to promote an open discussion and wanted to give you the opportunity to clarify what you meant, because it did come off as generalizing refugees, even if you didn't mean it to. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/4#post-2358403 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:22:26 +0000 lamariniere 2358403@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>I just saw this on the new nomenclature for ISIS. The US and other governments will start calling it Daesh.</p> <p><a href="http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/10/09/words-matter-isis-war-use-daesh/V85GYEuasEEJgrUun0dMUP/story.html?event=event25%3Fevent%3Devent25" rel="nofollow">http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/10/09/words-matter-isis-war-use-daesh/V85GYEuasEEJgrUun0dMUP/story.html?event=event25%3Fevent%3Devent25</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/4#post-2358344 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:02:05 +0000 agold 2358344@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Golden Rule: If its meant to be a safe place to be honest with our opinions, why did you create an incognito name? </p> <p>And I meant exactly that - I wouldn't be surprised if some of the terrorists came in with the refugees. That doesn't mean I don't want to help refugees. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358326 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:55:50 +0000 BandDmommy 2358326@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: wow, that's awful. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358318 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:52:36 +0000 Maysprout 2358318@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@lamariniere: that makes sense. I had a bad experience at a middle eastern restaurant in Brussels where I was basically told to get out so it left an impression of a more hard core group in Europe. Ive never had anything close to that experience in the U S.<br /> But it does seem like all communities in general are a lot more insulated over there. I think my children are the first in probably 100s of years that have been out bred from a gene pool outside of a hundred mile radius on my husbands side. And that type of insulation is hard to break. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358283 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:38:12 +0000 lamariniere 2358283@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: The feeling I get in France is that it's not just about religion. Mormons and southern Baptists are still embracing their Americanism. Most of them are white people and aren't being discriminated against when it comes to housing and jobs. I'm not so sure that some of these radicalized French Muslims feel the same way. I think there is a feeling of otherness that goes beyond religious bounds. Unfortunately, in France, it's a fact that if you are named Mohammad or Abdul, your job prospects are going to be much lower than if your name is Henri or Pierre. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358259 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:29:44 +0000 Maysprout 2358259@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@lamariniere: I've never lived there but we do visit regularly. But I've gotten the feeling that the part that feels rejected by their country is sort of like the Mormons or southern baptists in the US that have a lot of rigid, sexist views and have to keep themselves isolated to maintain that sort of dogma. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358258 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:29:28 +0000 littlebug 2358258@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>"Neither you nor any federal official can guarantee that Syrian refugees will not be part of any terroristic activity," Governor Abbott continued. "As such, opening our door to them irresponsibly exposes our fellow Americans to unacceptable peril." </p> <p>Nobody can guarantee that my neighbor isn't secretly building a TATP bomb, either. Nobody could guarantee that Timothy McVeigh wouldn't blow up the government office building in OKC. </p> <p>The whole statement is just asinine, and does nothing but further fan the flames of fear about immigration and refugee support. There are no guarantees when it comes to human behavior. None. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358256 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:28:23 +0000 pinkcupcake 2358256@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: oh wow :( He should be ashamed of himself. </p> <p>So much IGNORANCE. :( </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358247 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:25:41 +0000 lawbee11 2358247@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: SO embarrassing :bummed: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358244 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:24:45 +0000 .twist. 2358244@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: A Mosque was deliberately set aflame Saturday night in Ontario. It's everywhere. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358237 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:19:23 +0000 MrsSCB 2358237@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@yoursilverlining: So disappointing. I feel like the last time we had this much xenophobia running rampant we ended up putting Japanese people in camps... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358234 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:17:47 +0000 yoursilverlining 2358234@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: Unfortunately Texas is not alone. Governors of Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, Louisiana, Michigan, Alabama, and Arkansas have already rushed to deny entry to refugees from Syria, following the Paris attacks. :bummed: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358230 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:14:51 +0000 MrsSCB 2358230@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@JoJoGirl: Exactlyyyyyy! I don't understand why that seems so hard to grasp for so many people.... </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358227 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:14:08 +0000 JoJoGirl 2358227@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: Oh good lord. These guys weren't refugees. Whyyyy. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358221 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:12:13 +0000 MrsSCB 2358221@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Annnnnnd I just saw this. It becomes more embarrassing to live here every day... :meh: <a href="http://gov.texas.gov/news/press-release/21647" rel="nofollow">http://gov.texas.gov/news/press-release/21647</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358194 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:56:34 +0000 lamariniere 2358194@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: Part of the problem is that France still has enormous race problems. 10% of the population is Muslim and there is a sentiment among a non negligible part of the Muslim population of not belonging and being rejected by their country, even those who are 2nd, 3rd or more generation French citizens (and from what I understand, the sentiment is similar in Belgium). No official stats are kept, but unemployment is high in France and thought to be in the 20% among Muslim-origin young people. I'm making some somewhat broad statements, but some of these young men have turned to radicalism in their search to find belonging, or perhaps in retaliation to a country that has rejected them. The New Yorker recently ran a good article that touched on some of this. <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-other-france" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-other-france</a></p> <p>Also, reports in the French press say that the Syrian passport that was found was a fake. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358192 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:55:09 +0000 Maysprout 2358192@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: ah, sorry, I guess I was responding to my own reaction I had about the passport. I always keep my passport tucked away when I travel and didn't realize I should be carrying it around till my MIL was a bit shocked that I didn't. Even still my first reaction when I heard he had one was to think why would he be carrying his passport around until I remembered you're supposed to or the police can hassle you. But it does seem plausible that someone could easily have forged documents. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358143 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:39:53 +0000 MrsSCB 2358143@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: Oh, I don't think it was planted after the fact or anything. I just don't know if it makes sense to assume the ID he was carrying around actually belonged to him vs. carrying around someone else's. Especially if they were concerned about their actual names being on any kind of watch list, they'd probably want a fake ID or someone else's ID. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358089 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:12:19 +0000 snowjewelz 2358089@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: but winter is coming! :silly: </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358088 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:10:56 +0000 YogiRunner 2358088@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: Thank you for sharing that article. Fascinating and rooted in sociology and anthropology. The last three paragraphs are a good summary. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358069 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:01:56 +0000 Maysprout 2358069@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@MrsSCB: Many European countries require ID to be carried in public spaces or be fined. A terrorist probably doesn't care about being fined but it'd be good to have in case they were stopped by police to be easily able to continue on their way. It could still have been planted but technically you should be carrying around ID if you're traveling in Europe and don't want to be fined. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358067 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:00:46 +0000 .twist. 2358067@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: I could definitely see online engagement being a big one. These young, educated and well-to-do kids are more likely to be politically inclined than their poorer, more uneducated peers. They have the resources to seek out communities online and join them. I'm sure there are other way, but I can see this being a big factor. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358056 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:53:40 +0000 Maysprout 2358056@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@.twist.: that is interesting and seems to be what happened in Paris since most were either French or Belgian citizens. </p> <p>But how those ideas are being spread, connected and promoted. Is it online, through mosques, community support? In the Middle East those surveys make it seem like the support for suicide bombing citizens has way too much community support. But at the same time it's understandable with so much war. How and why those ideas are being spread to European citizens is I think legitimate questions for people to try and figure out. France found a rocket launcher when they raided suspected Islamist extremists after the bombings. It's a scary line of governmental surveillance and protection of citizens. But I do think it's better for people to discuss than pretend these precedents attacks were unprecedented. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358019 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:38:07 +0000 MrsSCB 2358019@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@FannyMae: I agree that passport discovery seemed suspicious, which is why I wish that media outlets would stop jumping to conclusions before facts are available. I've seen way too many headlines blaring "ATTACKERS CONNECTED TO REFUGEES!!!!" and I think that's irresponsible when we don't even know at this point (at least as far as I've seen...) whether that passport actually belonged to the person it was found near or whether it was stolen. But that's pretty typical I suppose :-/ </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358007 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:33:53 +0000 Mrs. Lemon-Lime 2358007@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@FannyMae: I thought having a passport or any ID on the terrorist was very strange too. The news is reporting how the refuggee's passport was stolen, which is so important to remember that that person was victimized too.</p> <p>This morning I flew on business and the airports were bustling as always. Over the PA system a voice tells people, "if you see something, say something." One woman in the security line noticed an unattended walkie talkie. She told a TSA person whom quickly grabbed it and turned whatever else was still on at that unmanned station. Immediately I thought if someone was scoping our security at that airport they would realize sometimes it's very lax. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/what-is-happening-in-paris/page/3#post-2358005 Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:33:30 +0000 .twist. 2358005@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Maysprout: I read an article (linked below) that I found very eye opening, about how a lot of the frustrated young men you're speaking of come from 1st world countries, have money and education. They are politically inclined and are recruited easily because of all these factors. Here is the transcript article on why radicalization happens and how we often have the "who" of it wrong. A couple paragraphs: </p> <p><i>And finally, there is much evidence that those who join jihadi groups are anything but poorly integrated, at least in the conventional sense of looking at integration. A survey of British jihadis by researchers at Queen Mary College in London found that support for jihadism is unrelated to ‘social inequalities or poor education’; rather, those drawn to jihadist groups were 18- to 20-year-olds from wealthy families who spoke English at home and were educated to a high, often university, level. Or, as the study out it, ‘Youth, wealth, and being in education… were risk factors’. Insofar as they are alienated, it is not because wannabe jihadis are poorly integrated, in the conventional way we think of integration, or because they because they are poor or lack resources.<br /> Analysing jihadists of a decade ago, Marc Sageman similarly challenged the idea that ‘terrorism comes from poverty, broken families, ignorance, immaturity, lack of family or occupational responsibilities, weak minds susceptible to brainwashing – the sociopath, the criminals, the religious fanatic.’ His database suggested, to the contrary, that terrorists are among the ‘best and brightest’ from ‘caring, middle class families’ who ‘can speak, four, five, six languages’, and ‘three-quarters of whom were ‘professionals or semi-professionals’, ‘engineers, architects… scientists.’</i></p> <p>ETA: oops link! <a href="https://kenanmalik.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/radiclization-is-not-so-simple/" rel="nofollow">https://kenanmalik.wordpress.com/2015/10/07/radiclization-is-not-so-simple/</a> </p>