https://boards.hellobee.com/ Pregnancy, Baby and Parenting blog, by Hellobee en Wed, 08 Apr 2026 16:35:01 +0000 https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-382599 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:11:38 +0000 Maysprout 382599@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@honeybear: I heard Romney argue that states should regulate health care several times. But I think there are some fairly consitutional reasons why the healthcare act was passed allowing for federal regulation.<br /> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/reagans-solicitor-general-health-care-is-interstate-commerce-is-this-a-regulation-of-it-yes-end-of-story/2011/08/25/gIQAmaQigS_blog.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/reagans-solicitor-general-health-care-is-interstate-commerce-is-this-a-regulation-of-it-yes-end-of-story/2011/08/25/gIQAmaQigS_blog.html</a> </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-382529 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:30:00 +0000 honeybear 382529@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@jedeve: I understand. But the means to the end have significance. Consider that if the ACA's individual mandate had been upheld under the Commerce Clause, as the administration argued it should have been, it could have meant that a future Republican president and Republican Congress could enact social legislation that you may not like so much.</p> <p>@Rock n Roll: I do not doubt that Romney fully appreciates the federalism issues here. He went to Harvard Law, and I assume they teach the basics of the Constitution there. :) So did President Obama, of course. ;) But federalism arguments make for wonky sound bites, so perhaps that is why the argument was not quite so clear. I agree that pols often tailor their message to their audience. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-382461 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:38:49 +0000 Mrs. High Heels 382461@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@jedeve: What a well-written and thought out response! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-382361 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:12:13 +0000 sslm 382361@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@dookie32: I think you've missed the point. It's the fact that he's not even talking to anyone. In order for the republicans to compromise with Obama, Obama has to talk to them. You're completely out to lunch if you think I'm actually suggesting more golf is the key to fixing their problems. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-382355 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 18:05:02 +0000 dookie32 382355@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@sslm: Wow. I've seen the right blame Obama for a host of unbelievable things but not being able to get the Republicans to compromise is a new one. Yeah you're right- more golf outings, that's the key. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-382310 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:17:27 +0000 ladyfingers 382310@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Rock n Roll: @jedeve: Just to play the devil's advocate, he could believe it's a state issue and not a federal issue. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-382300 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:05:26 +0000 Rock n Roll 382300@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@honeybear: There are a lot of inconsistencies in his beliefs in general, as well as Obama's. If he truly objects universal healthcare from a constitutional view, I agree that it has not been well articulated. </p> <p>I actually don't think inconsistencies are even an issue as long as someone genuinely changes their mind on something. (I certainly have in my life.) But politicians pretty much just say what people want to hear when they want to hear it. They are inconsistent when it's convenient for them not when they actually have changed their mind. That drives me crazy! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-382239 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:33:10 +0000 jedeve 382239@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@honeybear: I agree with this in theory, but I think health care is a universal right. I don't think it's fair if one state gets it and another doesn't. Why should vaccines be covered in Massachusetts and not Virginia, you know? Maybe it's because my state would never vote for it and I still think people here deserve to benefit from it. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-382206 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:20:30 +0000 honeybear 382206@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Rock n Roll: There isn't necessarily any inconsistency in Romney's having supported the Massachusetts law and his being opposed to the ACA. In fact, the point of our federal system of government is that states can enact much more extensive and intrusive legislation than the federal government should be able to. In short, the states have the broadest power, the general police power, and the national government has only certain enumerated powers, which do not include the power to command people to purchase insurance. </p> <p>So although no one on the campaign trail has articulated it well, one alternative plan is to let the states handle healthcare. One might even say that in that respect Romney led by example. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381958 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:28:06 +0000 ladyfingers 381958@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@sslm: And when it comes to Romney, he would make Bush-era tax cuts permanent -- tax cuts that are estimated to cost us more than $1 trillion over the next decade, according to the CBO. His plan to cut the deficit is incomplete and lacks Congressional support. He's put forth no concrete plan for dealing with Social Security or Medicare. Repealing Obamacare will end up costing more money (ETA: $109 billion), and as a stated priority for his administration, doesn't do much more for the economy than you point out Obama did by focusing on passing the plan himself. He would deregulate the financial industry, while deregulation was largely responsible for the 2007-2008 financial crisis. He would deregulate fossil fuels, which would not only be obviously detrimental to the environment, but eliminate opportunities for job growth created by explorations into alternatives to fossil fuels. </p> <p>Essentially, I fail to see how he would change a thing -- at least in a positive manner. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381941 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:22:26 +0000 Adira 381941@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@sslm: I just want to point out that it's pretty unfair to blame the President for a number of those things you pointed out. For example, our credit rating was downgraded because of our inability to raise the debt ceiling until the very last minute. This was mostly due to Republicans who refused to compromise - Democrats were willing to give Republicans 90% of what they wanted in the negotiations, and they still wouldn't budge. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381908 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:13:20 +0000 jedeve 381908@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@sslm: thanks!</p> <p>I do want to point out that obamacare was a compromise. Democrats wanted single payer, republicans wanted the mandate. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381892 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:08:49 +0000 HLK208 381892@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@sslm: @prettylizy: I agree!! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381878 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:04:15 +0000 Rock n Roll 381878@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@dookie32: I don't think so, I think he just keeps saying he will repeal it and that's what those voters are looking for.</p> <p>And I also think it's funny that he's sooo against it when he ushered in the plan in Massachusetts. That is what I hate most about politics- the only way to get elected is to make it in one of the major parties, but the only way to do that is to be a cookie cutter diehard that believes in all of the party's platform. So, I feel the candidates are rarely realistic about their own true feelings and are constantly pandering to the base. That makes them very distasteful to those outside their base. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381862 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:00:54 +0000 prettylizy 381862@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@sslm: I totally agree. Leave the social issues off the charts for now and lets work on the economy. There are more gays working for the conservative party both as elected officials and behind the scenes than a lot of people realize. Being Conservative doesn't mean being anti-woman or anti-gay anymore, and I think that is where the US needs to move </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381847 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:55:59 +0000 sslm 381847@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@prettylizy: I was saying to my husband last night that what the USA really needs is someone sort of like Harper: fiscally conservative, but doesn't want to touch the abortion or gay marriage issues with a ten foot pole! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381829 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:51:20 +0000 sslm 381829@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@boiledpnut: I do agree that religion and politics shouldn't be linked! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381825 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:50:17 +0000 dookie32 381825@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Rock n Roll: Did Romney come up with a better plan? Because from what I've heard, he just says he wants to repeal Obamacare but he doesn't seem to be offering an alternative plan (an alternative plan to the one that he created in the first place). </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381819 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:48:54 +0000 sslm 381819@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@jedeve: I just wanted to say thank you for writing all of that out in such an eloquent way! I definitely respect your opinion, even though we're different :) </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/3#post-381817 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:48:37 +0000 Pink Champagne 381817@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@boiledpnut: This. Thank you. I couldn't have said it more perfectly myself. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/2#post-381810 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:47:07 +0000 sslm 381810@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@caffeinated: @boiledpnut: you can find research to support either economic plan. What can’t be argued is that under Obama, government deficits have continued to spiral out of control, the jobless rate is higher than it has been in decades when accounting for people who dropped out of the job market and that the US credit rating has been downgraded. What can’t be argued is that the President has done next to nothing to resolve the fiscal cliff that’s coming up, and he totally ignored the bipartisan National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, which HE set up. What can’t be argued is that when crafting Obamacare, he did virtually nil to create bipartisan support, and thus received no Republican support, alienating roughly half the country. He’s also ignored burgeoning costs for entitlement programs like Social Security, which experts (Bloomberg) suggest will likely run out of money in 2024. He’s turned down positive &amp; privately funded economic projects like pipelines to avoid opposition from environmentalists, and he’s allowed protectionism in the Buy America act to continue, both of which have hurt the economy.</p> <p>There’s no doubt he inherited a gigantic mess, and there’s no doubt Republicans in congress have been obstructionist. But he CHOSE to spend his political capital on health care reform, he chose to ignore Republican opposition to the bill, he chose to ignore reforming entitlement programs and taxes and he chose to take only 1 Republican golfing out of 114 trips while in office (per The Economist), and as such he created motivated and extreme opposition to his positions. His Presidency has been an unmitigated disaster, and the economy is starting to improve in spite of his actions, not because of them.</p> <p>Whether or not Romney will do any better is certainly up for debate, and there is research to suggest his policies won’t help. But in the last four years the US President has demonstrably gotten in the way of recovery, not added to it. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/2#post-381792 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:41:52 +0000 CupQuakeWalk 381792@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@photojane: totally with you! I'm super conservative but I too believe that state and gov should be 100% seperated from faith&amp; religion! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/2#post-381783 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:40:33 +0000 Freckles 381783@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@Coco Bee: sorry, i think i misread your comment...i went back to your comment and i'm not sure why i put you in the reply. my apologies! </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/2#post-381774 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:38:04 +0000 honeybear 381774@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@dookie32: Just to clarify, the ACA does not provide healthcare to everyone. It contains a "mandate" that everyone buy insurance, and imposes a tax on those who do not, at least to the extent that they owe federal income tax. Not everyone will be covered as a result of Obamacare because some people will choose to pay the tax rather than buy insurance. </p> <p>Now, it was almost certainly intended by its drafters to be a step toward a single-payer (i.e., government pays) healthcare system that would cover everyone, but that is not what the legislation or the SCOTUS decision interpreting it says. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/2#post-381753 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:31:56 +0000 jedeve 381753@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>Hi. I am prolife and a democrat. I voted for Obama. </p> <p>Abortion has become this hallmark issue, and I think people forget it is not a legislative one. The president can't just make sbortion illegal. She or he would have to appoint a Supreme Court judge (who would have to be approved by congress) who then would have to hear a course on abortion and overturn roe v wade. The court is already 5-4 conservative and this hasn't happened. The other option is to amend the constitution, but attempts to do that have also failed. It's just not happening. </p> <p>I am typically opposed to most measures to outlaw abortion that circumvent these realities. I don't think they are effective. I think it is more important and more humane to support single mothers, provide child care, support programs like WIC and food stamps. Or domestic violence screenings These programs are really what enables a woman to be able to choose to raise her kids. </p> <p>It bothers me that the Vice Presidential candidate sought to permit abortion only in cases of "forcible" rape. I am against abortion in the case of rape, for me personally, but it makes my skin crawl because the implication that if you are date rape, it wa probably still your fault and you should have to deal with the consequences. That offends me deeply as a woman. </p> <p>I agree that women shouldn't only focus on our lady parts when voting. I voted for Obama because I strongly believe health care is a human right, because I believe in gay rights, because I believe we need a more equitable tax structure, because I support minorities, immigrantion reform, equal pay for equal work. And also because I believe that he is better for the economy. History actually shows that the economy improves significantly more under democrat presidents than republican ones. To me, all that is much more important than voting for some just because they are also prolife, especially since they can't/won't do anything about it, and if the did, probably in a way I think unethical/ineffective. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/2#post-381729 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:23:18 +0000 Rock n Roll 381729@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@dookie32: I don't think they necessarily are. I think everyone agrees that the state of healthcare in America was not good, but that doesn't mean they think that the Affordable Care Act was the best solution to the problem. It's not that they don't want people to get access to healthcare, it's that they don't like the way it's being handled. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/2#post-381687 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:11:49 +0000 Rock n Roll 381687@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@chopsuey119: How did it change your views? For it or against it? Just curious, as it changed my views a lot as well. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/2#post-381663 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:04:55 +0000 dookie32 381663@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@photojane: Just out of curiosity- do you also support Romney's view on repealing Obamacare? Because a lot of the conservative women I know talk about respecting life and being kind, loving and empathetic yet also want to prevent a plan that would provide health benefits to everyone. Those 2 things seem extremely contradictory to me. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/2#post-381662 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:04:41 +0000 Mrs. Pen 381662@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@caffeinated: I never said I was voting for Romney. I was merely making a point. </p> https://boards.hellobee.com/topic/women-voting-for-romney/page/2#post-381657 Tue, 06 Nov 2012 14:03:00 +0000 prettylizy 381657@https://boards.hellobee.com/ <p>@sslm: I'm pretty sure you and I fall in the exact same spot on the Canadian political scale. I'm fiscally very conservative and socially pretty liberal. I agree that while I don't stand for the same social policies as my conservative counterparts, the economic issues outweigh that for me and push me to the right. I also don't believe we'll ever get to a place where (at least in Canada) a woman will loose her right to choose, regardless of the leaders stnace. </p>