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pomegranate / 3845 posts
I occasionally order from the kids' menu, for my meal (which LO eats some of) if we're someplace where the portion sizes are outrageously large. I guess that is kind of dishonest since it's not totally for LO and I'm certainly over 12.
pear / 1642 posts
@Charm54: I thinks she's referring to the fact that once the child turns 3, they are no longer free.
Disney is the one instance where I think I'll adopt a dont ask, don't tell policy regarding age. Our passes are up for renewal when DD is 28 months. I won't buy her a pass for that year. When she turns 3 halfway through the year and if we get questioned, we will pony up for a pass for her. I won't lie outright because I'd feel uncomfortable about getting caught.
persimmon / 1328 posts
We took LO to the farm today and they assumed he was 18 months or under, and I didn't correct them (he just turned 19 months). But after seeing how much he got out of it and enjoyed it I do feel a little shitty.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@Charm54: Wooops I thought it was 2! Good to know!!! I swear I always make that mistake!
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@Mrs. Lion: If it's such a problem, they can check her birth certificate like the airport does. A child would still consume food we pay for there, and souvenirs, and parking, and photo pass, etc etc etc. We go to Disney for free anyway so we are not doing this, as we have no need to, but I can understand and commiserate why people would. All Disney has to do is ask for proof of age- they are 100% entitled to. If it was a problem they would- TRUST ME.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@MrsRoo: I always get mixed up on it bein. Free UNDER 3. Since 2 years 11 months is still free haha. Thanks for clarifying
pear / 1642 posts
@kjpugs: you get a pass for needing to know that since you get in for free regardless of how old E is!
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
@kjpugs: they shouldn't have to ask for proof of age to keep people from lying to steal a service they haven't paid for. I guess I should just go to Walmart then and put merchandise in my bag and walk out the door. If they don't catch me, they must not care enough about it. no big deal.
Sorry, my integrity is more important to me than than that. Just because someone can get away with something doesn't mean they should.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@Mrs. Lion: That's fine. Your opinion vs mine. I say if it's that big an issue they should require/enforce and you say they shouldn't have to. Good thing that decision is up to THEM and not us.
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
@kjpugs: you're right, it's not for me to enforce the policies of Disney world. if you're ok with it, fine. but call it what it is. it's stealing something you didn't pay for. you can't put the blame in the company. that is ridiculous.
pear / 1770 posts
I could see myself lying about it sometimes. I still use my old student ID to get discounts for myself, and I don't feel badly at all.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@Mrs. Lion: Actually I can, because that's my opinion. You aren't going to change my mind on this but you're welcome to feel however you want
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
@kjpugs: it's you're opinion that it is ok to steal if you disagree with a price a company has set? ok then.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@Mrs. Lion: And to be clear, I'm only ok with fudging a few months past the cutoff age. I'm not suggesting someone say their 5 year old is under 3. In general I think charging full price at 3 is way too much to charge vs what the kid will be able to experience, but that was an aside. If I had to pay for tickets and LO was 3 years and chhangge and could pass for under 3, I would go for it. If LO was 4? No.
grapefruit / 4321 posts
Whether or not lying/stealing/cheating is wrong isn't really a matter of opinion. Maybe you can decide you're ok with doing it, but that doesn't make it right.
pomelo / 5678 posts
@Mrs. Lion: also, I have been in a position working where people are lying or taking advantage of a system and it is very uncomfortable. I wouldn't want to make someone else feel that way.
I mean, I never pay for parking, but that's because I walk ten blocks to where it's free. Better to go on family free night if you don't want to pay...
pomelo / 5678 posts
@kjpugs: okay, that's basically like saying you can commit a crime as long as no one catches you or checks in to make sure you are not committing the crime, - trying to put the responsibility on another when you are committing the crime. That isn't right- rules and regulations exist and are to be followed- that trust is the basis of how our society can function- trusting that people to follow rules, laws, regulations. It would be very limited freedom if every person was treated like a criminal who doesn't follow the rules and laws. That's why public good faith trust is important. I don't want to have to carry a birth certificate because other people lie.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
Congratulations! Everyone is a better person than me. Even though I have never even done this. Better go stand at Disney and yell at the hundreds of people who do this daily.
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
@kjpugs: it's a discussion about what ethics and values. whether you have done it or not you enthusiastically insisted there is nothing wrong with it. nobody said anything about what kind of person you are.
grapefruit / 4862 posts
@Mrs. Lion: and I've said agree to disagree basically every response. Saying you disagree is fine. I didn't feel the need to "call out" anyone in this discussion and say why they were wrong. Or in any discussion on here.
apricot / 373 posts
@kjpugs: dude, I'm sorry that people are piling on you for this. It is kind of weird how intense this issue has gotten (especially when I've seen people not experience equal judgment for much more questionable behaviors and beliefs in other matters). Plus, if this is a big moral stance (and not just a financial one), I don't believe that it should be okay to fudge kids' ages the other way; in doing that, you are also disrespecting/ignoring/circumventing the rules of a company/organization/etc. through deception.
We haven't fudged my kid's age yet, but he's been free most places. I don't judge those who do because it doesn't affect me. Big companies like Disney are smart enough to know that some (or lots of) three year olds are getting in for free, and they base their policies accordingly. If they felt it was worth their time or money to enforce, they would do so and ask for proof of age.
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
@kjpugs: i feel like explaining and justifying opinions is a big part of having a discussion.
pear / 1770 posts
Sheesh, I'm not sure why there's a dogpile on @kjpugs (no pun intended ). Morals *are* relative, even if they are widely and deeply entrenched in a society. In societies that operate under principles of communal ownership, "stealing" is not problematic. We just happen to live in a highly capitalistic society that can only maintain status quo if members put a precedence on individual ownership and view theft as a highly immoral and punishable offense. Everyone's entitled to their own viewpoints, but there's a lot of moral absolutism happening here.
persimmon / 1436 posts
I don't lie about LO's age to get a free admission. I don't care what other people do and businesses know some people do lie. I think it's worse to lie and say your kid is old enough for an activity when he/she isn't. For example, my work has an activity involving animals that children need to be 4 to participate in. This is for legal liabilities and insurance reasons. I've had a lot of moms say that their kid is an advanced 3.5 year old, blah blah blah. Your child needs to be 4. This activity and admission to our facility are both free so come back when your kid is 4.
grapefruit / 4079 posts
@ms.line: you just have worded that a million times better than I ever could have. I feel like this thread became nasty quick.
persimmon / 1385 posts
Wow! Sorry @kjpugs: . Aparently there haven't been enough truly controversial threads lately on the bee where these people can assert their superior morals.
apricot / 347 posts
I personally would not. I was always taught to tell the truth, even when it hurts. I'm religious too and I believe telling the truth in all situations is the way to go. I understand the temptation, but I hope I would be strong enough to over come that temptation.
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
I wasn't aware I was being perceived as "nasty" or "morally superior". Guess I will step out of the discussion. That was not my intent.
grapefruit / 4321 posts
No one said kjpugs is a terrible person. No one said she's morally reprehensible. We said lying is wrong, and it is. If you choose to lie, fine, just own it. It's still wrong. Are we really all so sensitive that suddenly it's mean to point out the fact that lying is wrong. I sure must be a real mean parent since I regularly tell my 2.5 year old that it's not ok to lie. I guess I'm just trying to assert my superior morals on her.
persimmon / 1179 posts
Definitely don't think it was necessary to chastise any one member for their opinion on this. It was an open discussion, not an invitation to shove your beliefs and superiority at others. Can we all chill? I didn't know that driving members away, days before their deliveries was a duty of the bloggers here.
cantaloupe / 6800 posts
@Mrs. Lion: your opinion wasn't nasty, the way you refused to let up was hilariously high-and-mighty of you though. 3 years is no different than 3 years 1 day. It's not that serious. You pay full price, some others don't. Move along or relax. To each their own.
pear / 1770 posts
@Truth Bombs: Is it wrong to tell your kid there's a tooth fairy, or to say that your girlfriend's new haircut is cute when it's really fugly? Those are lies, too. Again, it's relative. Your viewpoint on when it's ok to lie is obviously different from @kjpug's (who already acknowledged that she had her own "limits" as to when she would lie), but that doesn't make you "right" and her "wrong" by any universal measure.
grapefruit / 4321 posts
@ms.line: I never said I've never told a lie. I just said that telling them doesn't make them ok. I totally lie about Santa, it's still lying, it's a lie I'm willing to make and I take responsibility for that. I don't say it's my kid's fault I lied to her because she didn't fact check me. Though I am the friend people ask for an honest opinion because I will totally tell you if your new haircut is fugly
nectarine / 2973 posts
@kjpugs: Wow! I have to idea why your comment was attacked and mine wasn't. I flat out said I would lie in the future. I'm sorry that you have been attacked in this thread, very not fair.
My parents were lying about my age well into my teens to get me 12 and under rates. I think I turned out ok. This probably isn't something that's going to be the deal breaker on if your kid turned out to be a lying thief or not
Also, I bet there are way more people on here who fudge their kid's ages that are just not posting.
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
Again, my intent was not to attack anyone. Just responding to the person who was engaging in discussion.
nectarine / 2086 posts
Wow I can't believe how much this thread has blown up since this morning. I agree with @getjazzy: 100%
coconut / 8472 posts
I try not to lie for financial gain (or to save money) because I think it's bad karma. But I in no way care if someone else fudges a few months off their kid's age.
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