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cantaloupe / 6885 posts
I feel like everyone has different levels of comfort with this - just like some people have no problem saying they only have 2 people in a hotel room when you have 3 or 4. Neither is really a huge deal in the grand scheme of things on the truth telling scale IMO and doesn't make you a pathological liar or unethical person...and if you'd rather be completely honest that's fine too! I think it's just one of those things where a person's comfort level will dictate how they act and respond.
apricot / 309 posts
When I was a kid my dad would lie about my age to get lower rates, and it made me super uncomfortable. Now, I don't think it's a big deal. Businesses factor in this kind of dishonesty. If Disney really expected all kids over 3 to pay admission, they'd lower the cut-off to age 2.
I don't know yet what we'd do in specific situations with our own kids, but with my baby brother I felt the need to be honest in these situations, and twice the person selling tickets gave me the lower price even though I told them his real age and they could have charged me more.
pomelo / 5257 posts
@Charm54: agreed, doesn't seem like that big a deal to me. I don't know what I would do, and the people who have mentioned feeling uncomfortable when they were old enough to know what their parents were doing definitely raise a good point. But like you said, in the grand scheme of things I'm mostly like, "eh, whatever." Not gonna lie, I totally had a fake ID in college to fudge my own age so I won't judge
grapefruit / 4455 posts
No. Whether we agree with prices or not, it is what it is. I'm sure companies take into account that people will do.this, but that doesn't make it right. I would honestly feel guilty.
cantaloupe / 6669 posts
@ms.line: Yes. Thank you.
Some of you are being mighty self-righteous and it's very disappointing. Especially @Mrs. Lion who I often agree with! Morals ARE relative. Context DOES matter. And it's not cool to police people from the comfort of your computer when they are just answering a question from their point of view.
KJPugs is an awesome, kind, good person and I call her a friend - AND she has always been authentic about who she is on this forum, for better or worse. Hate to see her attacked.
grapefruit / 4800 posts
Some of the most moral people I know have lied about their kids ages
My parents totally did and I wasn't damaged. I have once. Lo1 had a friend that wanted a play date, lo2 was sleeping, I could have asked to see a manager to explain the situation but instead just said she wasn't 1 yet.
I've yet to factor this or sneaking drink refills into whether I find someone a moral, reliable person.
admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts
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wonderful pear / 26210 posts
I can best sum up my thoughts this way: if you have a butt in a seat, you should pay.
It applies to many things, but basically, if you are taking up space then you should pay admission, fare, whatever. This way, everyone gets to equally grumble about the cost and wait times.
watermelon / 14467 posts
I haven't. Have I entertained the thought? Yes. But it's really no worse than drinking underage and having a fake ID, and I'm willing to bet that quite a few of us did that.
persimmon / 1233 posts
@Maysprout: Early in our relationship, I noticed my (future) DH paid for water but got Sprite at a restaurant. I was mortified and totally expressed my moral outrage! I did stick with him, though, and he doesn't do it anymore.
As for the question, I am mostly a rule-following square and probably won't lie about LO's age. I remember my dad doing it when we were kids (something about getting into mini-golf for free for 6 and under when I was really 8) and I felt really guilty. Plus, he must've saved - what - 5 bucks? Not worth it.
pear / 1809 posts
I'm a pretty big rule follower, so I can't see myself lying to save money. I could understand if people do this when they are experiencing financial hardship. Like if a family really wanted to go to Disney, but they could only afford it if their 3 year old got in free vs. paying for a ticket. I'm not saying that's right, but I would be more forgiving toward that person.
persimmon / 1363 posts
My parents lied prolificially about our ages well into our teen years at every place that had a child price, and they would still say I was under 2 to get me in free if they could get away with it. I did not find them to be cheating or stealing. A parent is viewed by a child as more than one action - on balance of my parents' personalities, it was an extension of them being frugal, not dishonest. They were fundamentally honest people, and it would take more than an ill gotten child's priced ticket on the ferry to displace that in my mind. I didn't like it because I am fundamentally a rule follower, but I also didn't like that they were frugal because I am a spender.
pomelo / 5298 posts
Yup! Just this past week. My nephews (11 and 12) ate on the kids menu (10 and under), and still didn't finish their meals. And we also did once at the zoo. I believe the cutoff was under 2 and it was about a month past LO turning 2. I think it's very circumstantial, but at the end of the day, yup, we've lied.
blogger / coconut / 8306 posts
@avivoca: I think it's immoral to lie about your age, but it's illegal to have a fake ID and to drink under age -- so I wouldn't compare having a fake ID to lying about being under 2 to get into Disney for free!
cantaloupe / 6669 posts
@Mrs. Jump Rope: Agreed but what's kind of funny to me is that I bet the same folks that have been up in arms about what is a very small white lie have done what @avivoca: said and lied to the point of breaking the law.
I think one thing people have been sanctimonious about is "teaching their kids to lie." I get that but I doubt 2-3 year olds would notice much less remember. And as others have pointed out even if they did remember there are many more moral lessons that make a bigger impact on kids in the long run.
Bottom line: If you aren't cool with it then definitely don't do it but I don't get the outrage over others doing it.
grapefruit / 4800 posts
@hummusgirl: haha! my dh wouldn't bat an eye about something like that. But he's not a rule follower in general, and its one of the things I love about him, he does great things by thinking outside the box. But sometimes it does end up with something I roll my eyes at and say come on, that rule is there for a legitimate reason. @Mrs. Jump Rope: illegal isn't necessarily immoral though. I didn't have a fake ID but I drank illegally and legally at 20 depending on my location. Its a law in some places but not a law necessarily based on anything to do with morality.
pomelo / 5257 posts
@Mrs. Jump Rope: I totally agree! That's actually why I mentioned I wouldn't judge fudging LO's age because I had a fake, and I definitely think it was worse. you live and learn I guess, haha.
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