The LC has suggested craniosacral therapy for LO to help with any latch issues. I don't know if it's even covered by insurance. Has anyone tried this or have any experience with it?
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our lc recommended it too for charlie who was born via c-section, but our pediatrician advised against it. in the end we didn't pursue it and he turned out fine, but i don't really know much about it!
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Edited: We saw a chiro a few weeks after a lip and tongue tie revision who did adjustments on his face, neck, back and inside of his mouth. I don't think it's CST, but I can't say it really helped too much. LO has a high palate and a shallow latch still, but has gotten a bit better now that his mouth is bigger.
I hope that breastfeeding gets easier for you! It's been the hardest thing I've ever done.
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I wish I had done it, or at least looked into it with LO1.
@Boopers: I had a similar experience, BF my first LO was extremely painful even after he had both frenulums clipped. It got better around 3.5 months, but I also suspect it was because his mouth got bigger.
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@lamariniere: LO is 3 1/2 months right now. It is still a bit painful, but nowhere near the excruciating levels of pain we had before. I'm hoping it gets better. I'm pretty scared once he gets teeth!
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@Boopers: It sounds similar for sure! I don't know what LO's "issue" is... I try to get her to latch deeper now. I don't know if maybe my nipples are just sore from adjusting? I don't know if it's LO herself or something else.
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@LindsayInNY: like others the latch will get better on its won as your baby grows and his mouth gets bigger!
Our LC also suggested craniosacral therapy for DS but we never got around to it - he improved on his own
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@Mamaof2: I think it's just shallow? But she's wrecking my nipples in the meantime.
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@LindsayInNY: I am sure you have tried everything but are you squishing your breast and really getting her a mouthful?
The LC could latch my DS sooo well but it was hard for me to do at home!
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@LindsayInNY: how old is she?
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@Mamaof2: 4 weeks today. That's what I've been doing since learning this on Monday. But we went Friday to Monday with shallow latching. And the left side seems to be worse than the right?
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If your nipples are just sore I would just keep doing what you are doing and use some APNO after nursing.
If they are bleeding maybe you can try using a nipple shield? I had to use one with DS for 5 weeks
As for the left being worse than the right it just might be the way you are holding him and getting a deeper latch on the right?
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@LindsayInNY: also make sure you are using a boppy or some other pillow - You want to make sure she is nice and high near the breast - also use a foot stool to elevate yourself too!
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@Mamaof2: Super sore. Like crying the pain is so bad sore. They're not bleeding as of now. I've been alternating with lanolin and a diy APNO. It's definitely gotta be a position issue on the left or something.
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@LindsayInNY: Call your Dr and get a prescribed APNO it is a special compound!
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Hope things get easier, but kudos to you for sticking it out
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@FaithFertility: I asked her on Monday and she wasn't familiar with it. Only an ointment for thrush. So I made the OTC version instead.
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Tidybee did it with her DD and it helped a TON! I would wall her!!@LindsayInNY: also if you need to give your OB the formula for APNO, it's on jack newman's website. Just google jack newman APNO.
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We got it done with our colicky baby when she was 5 weeks and the difference it made was unreal. Her movement was 5 times better afterwards. Before she could hardly turn her neck one way, and the therapy really helped and improved her latch when we nursed with her in that direction. You could just tell she was way more comfortable after getting the craniosachral therapy.
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@LindsayInNY: Have you tried different positions? Football hold might work better!
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We did cranial sacral therapy once a week for a while because LO had a tight jaw and couldn't open her mouth wide--she was even having trouble latching onto a bottle.
I honestly can't say whether or not it helped. LO had so many feeding issues, it's hard to tell. Ultimately, it didn't save our BFing relationship, but I was glad I'd tried.
Insurance didn't cover it, and it was expensive. =(
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I took both my babies along to the cranial sacral osteopath and I would recommend it! My big girl had a long, ventouse labour so needed four sessions to work out her kinks but my wee guy only went twice. Pregnancy and birth can be really hard and traumatic for babies so having some gentle "work" done can make a big difference in the feeding.
Something else to try with your LO is checking that she's not tucking her chin down when she latches. I found it really helpful to go back to basics when lo's latch got sloppy (baby tummy to tummy, bringing babe up to the breast etc).
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Our LC suggested it if things didn't get better, but they did. Sometimes I have a tight spot in my body and it just has to be worked out professionally. I don't know why a baby wouldn't respond the same!
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It helped us finally ditch the shield, though a better LC may have been able to help more.
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@LindsayInNY: We took LO to see an Osteopath (which from my research is similar in Aust) and the difference was amazing. It was the only way I was able to continue to feed before cutting her lip/tongue tie. It was very easy and no harm to LO. I would recommend it if you're looking into it.
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As @hilsy85: said, I did it and it saved me. In fact, the woman I went to I think does 1 day in westchester. I may be wrong though. It seriously was the best ever. We nursed from the first session on.
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The LC today recommended it, so this is a very timely thread. I'm definitely going to look into it.
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@Mamaof2: I've tried that but for some reason football hold isn't comfortable or easy for me/us!
@Anagram: The cost is my biggest fear. Not sure I could get DH on board with it.
@Tidybee: Do you remember who you saw? I'm interested in having someone on hand in case we decide to go that route. How many times did you have to go?
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There have now been a few case controlled studies done on cranio sacral, osteopathy and chiropractic for infants and the evidence is not there that it helps. The research I've read discusses several studies where babies (who had been referred to see therapists by LCs or GPs) were taken from their mothers and half of them were held by a nurse for 25 minutes in an out-of-sight room, while the other half were treated according to best practice for the therapy in question (also out of sight). The rates of satisfaction as reported by the mother were higher in the control group (the babies that were simply held) than in the test group.
Basically the findings were that although there was no harm done to the babies who were treated, there was no apparent benefit either. That being said there have been complaints in several states about chiropractic injuries to infants and small children, but as far as I know nothing reported on cranio sacral.
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@Tidybee: @LindsayInNY: i think we saw the same woman, because she does a day in Westchester i think!
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@Anagram: yep I'm sure since we were both in Hoboken.
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@LindsayInNY I totally just made a new thread relating to this because I somehow missed your post. I am looking into it as well but after seeing what everyone is saying on here, I am a little more skeptical. I have a friend who did it with her daughter and am waiting to hear from her on their experience.
I have two referrals to call but have no idea what the cost is either (which will be something we have to really consider since we are now on only one income for the near future).
Breastfeeding has seriously been the hardest part of having a baby. It literally is a full-time job (worrying about it, doing it, going to lactation support, managing the accompanied issues of clogged ducts/engorgement, etc, etc). I want to get to 6-8 weeks when she will be more developed and see if things work themselves out on there own. If things are still as difficult as they are now, I don't know that I can continue this AND keep myself sane!
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