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  1. catomd00

    grapefruit / 4418 posts

    Umm no I wouldn't even make a connection that they had a higher salary than me either. There's a lot of factors that go into people's finances and how much house they can afford. If you feel you deserve a raise, ask for it and make a case based on your performance why you deserve it. Or, find a new job...

    For all you know he could have secretly won the mega millions. The speculating your doing is a little ridiculous, sorry.

  2. mrsjd

    clementine / 777 posts

    @Modern Daisy: That makes sense, it would make me feel that way too. I always think it's important to be an advocate for yourself.

  3. yoursilverlining

    eggplant / 11824 posts

    This feels very "keeping up with the Jones'" catty territory.

    There are way too/so many ways that people purchase property that have very little to do with their salary. This isn't a connection I'd make an issue out of.

  4. Alba4

    nectarine / 2951 posts

    I'm in the camp that your coworker or his wife most likely has family money. Maybe they have trust funds, inheritances, good investments, etc. I don't think there is any cause for alarm, and I doubt it affects your salary.

  5. Freckles

    honeydew / 7444 posts

    I don't think it's wrong to question salary/bonus issues, but i really don't think you should be drawing suspicions based on someone's lifestyle/home.

    What if the wife is from money and that's how all of the extras are being paid? What if he was an early investor of a stock that took off? Also, some people only put very little down on a house, so i don't really presume much about someone's wealth based on their house.

  6. Umbreon

    clementine / 854 posts

    I would drop it. You don't know their situation at all. I come at this from the other side. I have a really nice house, a house that most people in my city buy much later in life. We skipped the starter home and went for the big, forever home. I heard from some friends about other friends talking behind our back when we bought the house, that our parents must have bought it for us. We didn't put down a ton of money to get the house, we have a long mortgage, but we chose that over having to move again.

    My boss made comments for months after we bought the house, telling everyone "Did you know Shizaz bought a house in X neighbourhood?" He obviously makes more money than I do. If my husband didn't work at all, I would be able to afford the house myself but it would be tight with little room for saving.

    We didn't have financial help from anyone. We just love to save My husband and get more joy from putting money into a savings account than we do spending it.

    It's possible that your coworker is the same way. Before they had kids they could have dumped every cent they could into a savings account, invested it, and are now enjoying it. My husband and I have quite a bit of savings right now, and we plan to just let it sit there and gain interest indefinitely. Maybe one day we'll go crazy and spend a bunch of it, but for now it's just there.

    I agree with others though, if you feel like you deserve a raise, then you should ask for one. But I don't think you can assume this coworker makes more than you based on his lifestyle.

  7. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    I don't see what one has to do with the other. You have no idea how they were able to afford their home or their lifestyle. All you know is that you work at the same place, his wife doesn't work, and they live in an expensive house.

  8. autumnleaves

    pear / 1622 posts

    I would talk to my boss about a raise - you never know when they are going to increase the salary range. I was at the top of the range too this past year and now that they are changing titles for lots of people at work, moving people around, the salary range increased and I got a bigger raise than I expected.
    I would try to ignore the lifestyle of the coworker as there are too many factors that play into it.

  9. Madison43

    persimmon / 1483 posts

    I wouldn't be upset - maybe a bit jealous that they live in such a luxe place!

    Like previous posters have mentioned, there are just too many variables. A close friend of mine was unemployed for looong time and during that period, still managed to have a very large wedding, buy a nice house, have a baby and take regular vacations. Turns out his spouse had a very large inheritance that they were living off. On the flip side, another close friend bought a small 2-family house in a less than desirable neighborhood and refuses to upgrade despite the fact (which I only recently learned) that he's sitting on several hundred thousand dollars in his savings account. Point is, you just never know what is happening behind the scenes.

    That said, it sounds like you have a legitimate issue with your salary and this new knowledge about your coworker is seriously fanning the flames for you. I'd forgot about the coworker but not the salary issue.

  10. Silva

    cantaloupe / 6017 posts

    If you don't feel you are being paid fairly, its a separate issue.

    People all handle finances differently- I have to remind myself of this a lot! Some people have no problem racking up credit card debt, for example. Or had parents who bought them their house outright. Or have no student loan debt. I personally know families in each of these situations- and even though we will soon be making more than all of them, there is no way we will be able to afford to live like them! Not anywhere close! We drive used cars, and our house cost at least 100k less than the least expensive house.

  11. Modern Daisy

    grapefruit / 4187 posts

    just to be clear here, I agree with those of you who are making the point that there are so many factors that could be involved with coworkers finances that are none of my business and wouldn't help me with salary negations a anyway. Finding this info out just tipped me over the edge as I was already suspecting I made less than some of my coworkers after 2 years in a row with no raise/bonus with the reasoning that I am at the top of the range.

    I am NOT going to go on a crusade against this coworker or anyone else and I would NEVER mention this to anyone else at work.

  12. Modern Daisy

    grapefruit / 4187 posts

    @Madison43: you hit the nail on the head exactly. This was just enough info to make me raise my eyebrows and wonder if my employer has been truthful. All salary info is kept private so there is no way for me to know, which is why outside factors like this even get my attention.

  13. mrswilson2012

    grape / 93 posts

    Nope, I wouldn't be upset. Maybe he received an inheritance? Maybe he has a side job? Maybe he charges everything to credit cards? Maybe he has another family member help out financially? There really are too many variables. Now if the issue is that you think you are being paid unfairly, I would talk to your boss about your compensation or find a new higher paying job.

  14. Happygal

    pomelo / 5000 posts

    @Modern Daisy: I think everyone is clear about that part. But I'm seeing people over and over say that it shouldn't be the thing that tips you over the edge in your suspicions....it shouldn't even play into your suspicions.

  15. Modern Daisy

    grapefruit / 4187 posts

    @Happygal: maybe you are right but easier said than done clearly!

  16. winniebee

    hostess / wonderful grape / 20803 posts

    No....I mean....he could have had a grandparent pass away and leave him money. Unless you had specific information that he made more money than you, I don't think its anything to get upset about.

    But, like you mention, being cognizant of whether your employer is compensating you appropriately is certainly fair game. Is there a way to have a salary review without bringing this other employee into the equation?

  17. lamariniere

    pineapple / 12566 posts

    From what you've said, it really sounds like they have a lot of family money/help.

    It doesn't hurt to ask for a raise though!

  18. Modern Daisy

    grapefruit / 4187 posts

    @winniebee: I am definitely thinking I will be asking for more information this year at comp season. My company is annoyingly private about these things but I think just the action of asking gets the wheels turning in general and might send a message that I'm starting to get unhappy/suspicious.

  19. LatteLove

    apricot / 441 posts

    This situation sounds very similar to one with a former coworker of mine. We didn't have equivalent positions, but I knew the cap on his salary and it isn't that high, and yet he lived in a multi-million dollar house because his wife's family was very wealthy and bought it for them. (that was gossip/anecdotal, but made sense considering his salary)

  20. JenGirl

    clementine / 756 posts

    I would drop it about the coworkers house. There are so many more factors that come into play for a house/car/school/lifestyle/etc. No reason to worry about their finances.

    However, I think it is perfectly understandable to want to have a discussion with your manager about your salary. My work provides me with actually numbers about salary in my position. I know that I get average and I think I get top 5%. Maybe high and low. Something like that. I would ask your manager for some real numbers for salaries in your position. That should be pretty easy for them to do. And ask for a raise. Directly.

  21. Banana330

    nectarine / 2317 posts

    I have asked for a salary review with other people in the company who do the same job as me and have the same title. I suggested I was being underpaid as a woman (the other person with the same job title was a man). The company reviewed and I was offered a huge jump in salary. Turns out for years I was underpaid. It's worth discussing with the company. I knew I was getting paid less as charge out rates for us were different and they were open among staff (although we were told they don't directly correspond to salary...)

  22. catlady

    grapefruit / 4988 posts

    If you are close to your co-worker, you could also consider asking him directly if he'd share his salary with you. The worst he can say is no. I know this seems to be taboo in most workplaces but it really shouldn't be, especially if you are in the exact same position.

  23. PawPrints

    pomegranate / 3658 posts

    Definitely push for a major raise. Salary equality is a huge issue and you have every right to be upset if you have been denied a raise for so long.

  24. ocean81

    apricot / 431 posts

    I don't think you can guess what someone makes on how expensive their house is, what clothes they wear, etc, etc... Besides the fact that it's none of your business (not trying to be rude), you have no idea if they are in CC debt, if they invest in the stock market well, have family money, you get the idea... That being said, if you think you aren't being paid fairly then definitely talk to your boss, but I wouldn't mention anyone else in your conversation.

  25. PinkElephant

    grapefruit / 4584 posts

    I won't comment on the house issue, since my viewpoint has already been echoed by so many other people....

    But as far as the salary of your coworker, here's one other thought on why he could make a lot more than you that doesn't have anything to do with you/your performance. Is it possible that at the time he started, he needed to be "bought"? Ie., lured away from another role at another firm? In my field (finance), this is a totally common thing. If at a certain point, Firm A really need employees who are experienced and highly skilled at doing "x", they might be willing to match and exceed these employees' current salaries at Firm B. It's not the nicest move on the firm's part with regard to their loyal employees (who are probably still being compensated at the "typical" rate for their position/experience, but it happens more than you'd imagine. So your company may be telling you the truth that no one is getting raises, but not everyone necessarily started at the same level (as unfair as that may be).

    In this case, you're well within your rights to ask HR for certain information related to your own compensation. Perhaps you can frame it as wanting to know where you fall percentage-wise in your level at your company. Are you in the top 10%? The bottom 10%? somewhere in between? They should be able to give you a sense of where you stand without revealing anything personal about anyone else, even if that means aggregating data over several departments, or a few different levels, in order to provide privacy for everyone. If you're way below where you feel you should be, ask what can be done (by you and by them) to get your pay to a more median level, at least. Good luck!

  26. katbridg

    coffee bean / 28 posts

    I don't know how big your company is, but you could try checking on Glassdoor to see if your position has comparable salaries posted. I've used that to see if I'm in the same pay range as co-workers. In my experience, it's been pretty accurate. Good luck!

  27. Modern Daisy

    grapefruit / 4187 posts

    @Banana330: wow that is amazing!! Congrats on getting that accomplished! I have never heard of doing a salary review before, but it makes sense now that you explained it.

  28. Modern Daisy

    grapefruit / 4187 posts

    @PinkElephant: that's a good theory but not the case. He was actually hired around the same time I was with LESS experience and making less $. I only know this because he was previously in a different field and shared what the "cap" on salary was in that field.

  29. SweetiePie

    honeydew / 7463 posts

    @Modern Daisy: I think it never hurts to advocate for yourself if you think you are underpaid.
    But I really don't think your coworkers spending should be a data point. Spending just isn't a good indicator these days. My husband makes a very good living. We have a friend who also does ok but makes less than half what my husband makes (this is a fact). And their expenses definitely exceed ours. They are just more flamboyant about their purchases, get family help, and are ok with being in debt and not saving much. Outside looking in someone would probably think they make more, but I know for a fact they don't.
    I totally see why it raises an eyebrow, but I don't necessarily think it indicates anything regarding his income vs yours. It sounds like he'd have to make at least twice what you do, if that was the case. And that's really hard to fathom for any peer/coworker situation. But you know your work environment best - is that possible?

  30. PinkElephant

    grapefruit / 4584 posts

    @Modern Daisy: Ugh, that's frustrating No one likes to feel like they're being cheated or used as an employee.

    Definitely worth bringing YOUR compensation up with HR/your boss - you're getting lots of good advice here on a variety of ways to do it here, without really drawing your coworker into it. I really hope it works out for you.

  31. sunny

    coconut / 8430 posts

    @Modern Daisy: The advice I've always been given is to advocate for yourself based on your own merits. Many years ago, I found out that a coworker got a promotion and I didn't. We were both new grads and salaries were standardized at that level. I thought that the work I did should have merited a promo as well, but the advice I was given from my mentor was that comparing myself to my coworker would be pointless (and make me look juvenile) and I should just advocate based on what I did.

  32. Modern Daisy

    grapefruit / 4187 posts

    @sunny: yes, I completely agree with this but sometimes women especially tend to be underpaid compared to men for no reason other than gender. Who knows, maybe our boss factors in the fact that he is the sole breadwinner to the equation when deciding who deserves what. I would personally never mention him specifically or anything about my coworkers spending habits, but I would want to know what the men make compared to me for doing the same job. The question is how much info will they actually provide if I don't get an attorney involved? I'm thinking not much, but I could be totally wrong.

  33. catlady

    grapefruit / 4988 posts

    I will be honest, I don't think that getting an attorney involved is a good way to move this forward.

    I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but the best way to get a raise is to get another job offer with a higher salary and try to get your job to match or beat it. You need to be prepared to actually take the other job though if it doesn't work out. But that is the usual way of getting a big salary bump.

  34. sunny

    coconut / 8430 posts

    @Modern Daisy: I read up thread that you said your occupation is quite niche. Would you "ruin" your reputation by involving an attorney? I know my field is pretty tight knit and I think that would be a CLM for me.

  35. mrsjd

    clementine / 777 posts

    I keep going back to the fact that based on the living situation you've described and your lack of belief in family money, he would have to be making 2x or more than you. Do you really think your employer could 1) afford to pay him that much more, or 2) hide the fact that he did if they did pay him that much more. I feel like you must have other reasons for feeling that you're being paid unfairly.

    You could get an attorney involved, but I feel like any decent lawyer is going to tell you that, right now, you have no claim. Full disclosure, I am a lawyer. I'm not even sure you have any right or ability to compel information from your employer about other's salaries. Obviously, they have an obligation to pay you fairly. Do more additional digging and try to find out if you're being paid fairly. Ask the secretaries/assistants, those betches know everything (only sort of joking).

    ETA: I also think in this day and age, employers are more willing to be transparent about salary information. Especially honest employers. They don't want to open themselves up to litigation risks. They're generally pretty conservative about trying to avoid those lawsuits. So, even if you can't get exact numbers, ask for a range of salaries in your level and experience as well as factors considering in setting salary, raises, bonuses, etc. If your reviews/history reflect that you're being paid on the low end, then I'd get upset.

  36. Mrsbells

    squash / 13199 posts

    @Modern Daisy: Some people live way outside their means too and have a lot of debt. You cant always tell how much someone is getting paid by their expenses

  37. Paddington10

    cherry / 155 posts

    I would be curious too! I might cheekily ask him!! HA!

  38. Eko

    nectarine / 2148 posts

    Just commenting on the job portion....

    If you haven't gotten a bonus in two years and have raised the issue before with no result a good way of knowing whether it's fair pay is to find a new job
    ..Seems like a better way to go then speaking to an attorney.

  39. oldsoulmama

    coffee bean / 27 posts

    I'm willing to bet her family paid for the house and private school for the kids. I wouldn't be surprised if he is earning more than you (especially if you are in a male-dominated field), but I have a hard time believing the difference in salary explains the difference in assets.

    Having said that, I'd still consult a headhunter to find out if you're within the range of where you should be.

  40. erinpye

    pomegranate / 3706 posts

    You just cannot know a person's financial details based upon assumption. You have no idea if their family bought their house, if they live in debt, etc. I'd definitely ask for what you deserve salary-wise, but keep your coworker's perceived situation separate: don't let your assumptions become "truths" to make you angry.

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