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Yes thank you for all the links and additional resources posted! I'm gonna compile and make a post on my FB too if that's okay.
Al my reps are D but in my letters I pretty much am just asking them to use their influence wherever possible to reunite the children with their parents
@gotkimchi: This is great! Gonna make a target run!
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I really don't have words for the heartbreak I feel. I hug my kids tighter, pray harder, and have contacted my congressmen and donated money. I still feel helpless for those children.
@gotkimchi: Can you share more about operation comfort? When I google it, the website that comes up is about supporting wounded soldiers (which is great, just not the population discussed) and the address is in Texas? Am I looking up the right information? I would LOVE to be able to send letters or toys, so genuinely interested in finding out more and making sure items would get to the correct place. Thanks!
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@yerpie110: I'll attach the photo I found regarding it.
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@NorthStar: So helpful, thank you!!!
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@yerpie110: you are welcome! I saw it yesterday and am trying to figure out how to talk about this to my 6 year old without scaring her. But, I think drawing a picture might be something nice for her to do and then when she looks back at this when she is older, perhaps she will remember that we tried to do at least something.
I keep trying the amazon registry link and it's not working. So, maybe so many people caused it to crash? I'll update later on it.
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@NorthStar: I'm hoping to go to this on Saturday with my son! Thank you for sharing - do we have lots of LA bees here?
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@math.nerd: I am actually from MN! lol But, someone shared this on twitter and thought that it was a great idea.
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@NorthStar: OH wow! It's getting around! I thought I was just seeing it in my local groups. Glad to hear the information is spreading!
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So Dotard is coming to Duluth, MN (where I live tomorrow) and I think there are several protests planned (thank goodness). I'll be interested to see how he spins this stuff when he is here.
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If you are looking to take action, call your senators instead of writing/faxing. You'll leave a voicemail so you don't have to talk to anyone. Just say "Hi, I'm Pollywog and I live in X. I'm calling because I'm outraged at the policy of separating children. ". Staffers have to listen to each voicemail to code it in their system. They skim the letters to get the topic. Calls are so much more effective (at least they were when I worked on the Hill)
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@NorthStar: yep that’s it!
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I find it fascinating at how united of a country we seem to be against the president. Every week there is something to cringe over and at least once a month something to protest. Maybe the silver lining to this is how many people are becoming more civically active. I hope someone somewhere is doing a study on the frequency of people contacting their congressmen, because it has certainly skyrocketed this year.
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@NorthStar: So, just a flag on this - Southwest Key is a government contractor that runs shelters for Department of Health and Human Services. While they're generally seen as doing a better job on this than DHS, the flyer doesn't quite represent that this nonprofit is actually part of the government operation so in case that makes a difference to folks, it's worth noting. Here's the article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/inside-casa-padre-the-converted-walmart-where-the-us-is-holding-nearly-1500-immigrant-children/2018/06/14/0cd65ce4-6eba-11e8-bd50-b80389a4e569_story.html?utm_term=.032ab8d694e1
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@Mrs. Carrot: but they’re not running the donation campaign I think that’s just where the donations are going. I could be wrong though
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@gotkimchi: Im not sure if they can accept donations. My contractors absolutely could not.
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@Pollywog: southwest key does accept donations and they’re tax deductible. I’m not sure on the logistics of everything (I didn’t set it up and I’m not involved somehow with them) but I feel comfortable that it’s on the up and up
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@gotkimchi: Totally, I just know not everyone has been thrilled with the government role in all this so just wanted to raise the relationship.
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@Mrs. Carrot: the whole thing is frustrating! I wish we could do more
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I found this to be a very interesting read on how the Media is hurting the situation, not helping it.
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Did you guys see trump is withdrawing from the un human rights council
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@gotkimchi: no, i didn't!! wtf
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@gotkimchi: It was a threat that was made by Haley last year, on unrelated issues. I personally think its a warranted move.
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@Mrs D: FYI - the National Review is a hyper-partisan source - so not the honest reporting that the article claims to call for.
And just a reminder for everyone - PLEASE make sure you're registered and have a plan to GET OUT AND VOTE in November.
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@Mrs D: I know they’ve been threatening it but in light of the Iran deal, Paris climate accord, and the UN human rights council while separating families it’s not a great look
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@gotkimchi: lots of not great looks in other parts of the world have made the council a laughing matter....I dont correlate the two at all...I think the move to withdraw might be a smart one...
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@math.nerd: I'm aware, I find Ben Shapiro one of the few I can tolerate though as he does a good job of back things up with facts. I dont read the NR under normal circumstances.
I wasnt aware that the source of an article automatically dictates its validity, the value of its contents or the accuracy of its reporting...
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@Mrs D: what’s your view on the border situation?
And the source of the article is one of the first things you look at when evaluating validity
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@gotkimchi: I agree its a very sad situation. I view the root of the situation very differently though. But I am very much in the minority on this forum.
The source of the article in my opinion is Ben Shapiro, not the National Review. I value his opinions, not because I agree with them all - but rather because I appreciate that he tends to include more facts than others.
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@Mrs D: I think that the source of an article is a huge piece of the puzzle that should inform your understanding of the information and just something to always keep in mind - especially in these very divisive times. I'm not saying it automatically discredits something necessarily but the source absolutely must be considered.
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@math.nerd: well you already called it "not honest reporting"...
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@Mrs D: @math.nerd: so, super liberal here trying to wade into this conversation as gently as possible. I don’t agree with the position of the NR article and think the author oversimplies the issue surrounding the 9th Cir. decision BUT I do question the sincerity of the sudden outrage some of our supposed lawmakers who make a huge deal of visiting detention centers (that have existed well before Trump) with a media crew demanding to see the conditions and then getting their 15 mins of fame screaming about the injustice, and then not doing a damn thing to rectify it It’s just....fake.
Make no mistake, this policy is gross, traumatizing accompanied minors to deter immigrant is gross and it should obviously be stopped immediately - I’m putting my money and time where my mouth is on that one.
But these detention centers are not new, unaccompanied kids in detention centers are not new and the fake outrage from politicians who have known about conditions at the border for years and are just now feeling outrage because it’s trending makes me want to scream.
Short story - this a complex issue. This particular part of it is relatively simple to solve (by either the executive or legislative branch), but people on both sides are more interested in pandering to their base than solving a problem.
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@Mrs D: Yeah, I'm a former journalist and I absolutely think the source of an article is relevant when determining its validity. Also, I find that Ben Shapiro does a great job of sounding smart and seeming like he has all the facts, while leaving out key points. This for example: "Yes, Trump is enforcing the laws against crossing the border illegally more harshly than the Obama administration did. But he didn’t create the separation policy." He may not have written the policy his administration is citing as the basis for separating families, but he is absolutely choosing to enforce it in that way. He is choosing to prosecute people in a way that requires families to be separated. So what point is Ben trying to make? The fact that Trump didn't write the policy doesn't defend the fact that he's carrying out the policy in this particular manner, because it's not required.
He's also setting up a completely fake conflict there -- the way he writes it makes it seem like the big, bad media is saying Trump wrote new policy. Anything coming from legitimate sources that I've seen has been very clear on the fact that he is INTERPRETING policy in this manner.
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@Madison43: very well said, I completely agree.
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@Mrs D: The author didn't back anything up with facts. Seeking asylum is not a crime, except this administration made it so without a law or executive order, and then decided to use children as further leverage for deterrence.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17443198/children-immigrant-families-separated-parents
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@Mrs D: Perhaps I overstated what I was getting at - maybe I should have said something more about not 'balanced' or something. However, I did take issue with the article calling for more 'truthful' reporting when the reports coming from these 'shelters' have not actually be discredited as untrue. He even says it's probably true - but it was also probably bad before -- which is 100% not the point (and that itself is untrue)
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@Madison43: so what is the simple solution.
@MrsSCB: I've heard him say on numerous occaisions that Trump is making a choice regarding how the policy is enforced. He does not mention it in the article, but as someone who listens to his podcast I have heard him say that. Either way, I do think he is smart, and I am aware of his biases, some I agree with some I do not. I find it easier to wade through his BS than most "journalists"...
And yes source factors in, however it was implied that the article simply could not be "honest reporting" because of the source, which I do not think is appropriate...
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I'm also afraid I've unintentionally gotten this thread off track. Please continue to use this thread to share resources and discussion aimed at helping these traumatized children, because regardless of some of the other issues around this situation, I think we can all agree that these children are innocent.
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I'm interested in hearing what the solutions to this problem are?
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@mrsjd: you deleted your comment but it was a good summation for those that got to see it!
@Mrs D: there’s no simple solution to the big picture border crisis. But for this discrete issue - separating kids from parents seeking asylum who illegally crossed (rather than coming to a point of entry), families should be housed together until a determination can be made as to the validity of their application. I have to tell you, I would even be ok with a faster deportation schedule if the family unit was kept together.
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