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@Mrs D: I tried to read the article you linked, but it immediately prescribed motivations to journalists reporting on current events with no facts to back up those assumptions. The article is so clearly biased against the media, that it's hard to parse out any actual facts.

While dealing with immigration and border security is a huge issue with no simple solution, there ARE solutions to stop the current travesty occurring at our borders. The simplest being the Administration to stop their new policy of separating families simply for entering the country.

But there's currently legislation introduced to immediately stop the family separations (with stipulations for abuse, not actually being family members, court orders for separation, etc), but of course it was introduced by a Democrat so no Republican will support it.

This is truly amazing.

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Their original fundraising goal was $1,500.

@Adira: How about the legislation Ted Cruz introduced? Seems to be an interesting option?

I'm fully supportive of legislation that keeps a family unit together - assuming that together is in some sort of controlled facility. AND assuming there are no immediate red flags of criminal activity.

I havent been able to read in depth on the two pieces of legislation offered up - at quick glance it looked like the bill proposed by the democrat was more of an "innocent until proven guilty" approach which I personally do not agree with in regards to someone who illegally crossed the border.

I'm supportive of assylum seekers, and keeping family units together. I am leery of the consequences rash decisions may have on the well being of innocent bystanders. At any rate, it would be nice to see some concessions on one side or another, to get some middle ground reached.

@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I am generally highly opposed to executive order use, no matter who is using it.

@NorthStar: @math.nerd: thanks for sharing. i want to look into this more.

@Boopers: I wasnt aware every single person crossing the border illegally was seeking asylum? Is this a new discovery?

What about the cases where kids are being ripped from their families to be used as pawns in this border crossing game?

Its not simple, nothing with immigration ever is. So yes, I think every normal human being would agree they'd like to see families stay together...its the HOW that gets difficult. If you take the easiest rate and simply end the practice you are going to open up a whole new can of worms...

@Adira: Perhaps right now its 1% because of the strict policy enforcement. It could get worse, much worse, if there is a rushed change without contemplation of the consequences.

Is one child separated from his family worth one child used and abused as a pawn in some human trafficking game?

@Adira: I'm not familiar with the conditions under which the children are being kept, I will have to do some research. I would imagine their treatment is far better than that of children being used in trafficking...which its stands to good reason if it becomes that they CAN become a trafficking tool they WILL. This is of course just my opinion. I dont have a solution. I'd love to see every child treated as well as I treat my own...I just dont know what the solution is...

I did like in Senator Cruz's bill called for an increase in judges to expedite these cases, to me it seemed a step in correcting the process - not just alleviating the immediate issue.

@Mrs D: The condition in which they are kept is actually beside the point. Separating them from their parents in the first place does irreparable harm in the first place.

But as to the condition they are kept, there are reports that their caregivers aren't allowed to pick up or even hug these kids, many of them toddlers. Can you even imagine your child in a strange place, surrounded by strangers, crying for you, and no one will offer them any comfort??

I agree that more immigration judges would help at least reunite families sooner or whatever, but Trump has said he's not interested in that solution at all. He doesn't want migrants coming to our country, period, and if torturing children helps him achieve that, then that is what he's going to do...

Pure evil....

@Madison43: @Mrs D: appears to be defending it? Unless she's just not articulating her position well...

@Adira: I do not want to put words in anyone’s mouth, but my impression is that she supports keeping families together (and said as much above), but does not support the previous “catch and release” policy, for lack of a better phrase. The debate you two got into above, in my mind, goes well beyond the very discrete issue that gave rise to those crisis.

@Madison43: Thank you - I am not defending the policy nor the actions of the current White House in this regard.

What I am saying is that we are in a situation - how we get out of this situation needs to be given thought and not some knee jerk reaction. Immigration is a serious topic and deserves serious discussions to remedy our currently flawed policies. The ramifications of a knee jerk reaction could put us in a worse place than we are currently are in.

@pinkb: Yes, I am privileged and I am aware of it and grateful everyday for how fortunate I am. I cant imagine what I would do if I were an asylum seeker. I truly hope YOU are never caught in the unfortunate circumstance to have your life flipped upside down by the act of an illegal border crosser.

@Mrs D: Sorry if I misunderstood. It sounded like you were saying that separating families might be worth it if it deters human traffickers or protects the small amount of children being used as pawns. And it also sounded like you were saying reversing this policy (or separating families crossing the border) shouldn't be immediately reversed without more consideration for the possible consequences. Please correct me!

How about a little Dietrich Bonhoeffer tonight?

Silence in the face of evil is evil itself. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.

If i sit next to a madman as he drives a car into a group of innocent bystanders I can’t as a Christian simply wait for the catastrophe then comfort the wounded and bury the dead. I must try to wrestle the steering wheel out of the hands of the driver.

Or perhaps some Ronald Reagan

We must never remain silent in the face of bigotry. We must condemn those who seek to divide us. In all quarter and at all times we must teach tolerance and denounce racism, anti-demotion and all ethnic or religious bigotry wherever they exist as unacceptable evils. We have no place for haters in America - none, whatsoever

@Mrs D: I think I understand what you are saying, but my point of disagreement with you is this: “What I am saying is that we are in a situation -“ I don’t see child separation as a situation that we, passively, happen to be in. This was something actively implemented by the current administration- a choice to interpret law this way. It wasn’t inevitable. That is what is so evil. Even if you say you support keeping families together, but don’t see the source of the problem as Trump, then we fundamentally disagree.

@Mrs Panda: Yes, exactly!! If the situation is illegal immigration, then yes, we have a situation and we need to come up with a comprehensive, but compassionate, solution. But tearing apart families is NOT the solution, it's just evil. But that's the "solution" that this Administration has chosen to implement.

@AprilFool: I avoid political discussions almost always because it devolves into personal attacks. Your comment just took things a bit too far by implying Mrs. D has never had any compassion for anyone else in life. It does nothing to prove a point..

Latest reports are talking about how babies & toddlers are being held at "tender age" shelters, and that a congressman who was able to visit one saw a room dedicated to BABIES under 1. BABIES stolen away from their parents! My heart is breaking...