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"President Trump abruptly reversed course Wednesday, saying he would sign an executive order ending family separations at the U.S.-Mexico border after a public uproar over the impact of his administration’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy."
Color me shocked!
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@Madison43: Agree 100%.
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@Adira: Oh, so this issue that was "out of his hands" and "the fault of the democrats" could have been solved by him this whole time?!
I'm also highly suspicious of what the full terms of this executive order will be. And I hope that he has a plan for reuniting the families ASAP.
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@MrsSCB: From what I've heard so far, it sounds like the zero tolerance policy will still be in play, but that families will be detained together. But there also doesn't sound like there's a plan for how to reunite the thousands of children that have already been separated.
Also, yes, seriously - It was the Dems fault and there was nothing he can do and all of a sudden he can do something about it? Uh huh.
But it's nice to see public outrage actually work in this case, at least slightly.
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@Adira: Yeah, given his total lack of empathy, he probably didn't think even so many people in his own party would have a problem with this... To him it seems logical -- hey, we want this wall, I want it under construction by the midterms, this is a great tactic! Ugh.
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@MrsSCB: Absolutely! I mean, he sees immigrants as an infestation of our country. He seems them as animals. Of COURSE he thought this was a great solution. I'm actually shocked he's going to do anything about it since he's been doubling-down on this topic so far!
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@Adira: he is such an egomaniac that he will 100% take all the credit for “fixing” this. Even though he caused it.
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@Adira: @MrsSCB: the rhetoric Trump is using sounds eerily familiar to other recent atrocities like the Holocaust and the Rwandan genocide. If I’m totally being honest I thought twice about contacting my GOP senators for fear of being put on a list. It’s so scary to imagine things becoming worse yet the reality is if history repeats itself it actually can.
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@gotkimchi: Absolutely! He'll definitely take credit, blame the Dems for not doing enough, and just continue gaslighting the country.
@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I totally don't blame you. I never thought America could fall as far as we have in such a short period of time... and he's only been President for 17 months.
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@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I agree with you about the rhetoric. It's something I, as a Jew, grew up learning to identify. But I'm begging you to PLEASE call your senators early, often and passionately. It's one of the most important ways to speak up. I'm grateful to live in CA where our senators are such strong leaders on this issue, but they can do very little without their GOP counterparts growing a spine - and YOU can make a real difference. Call 202-224-3121 and they can connect you. Thank you!!!!
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@math.nerd: I called and emailed my senators. This crisis, as so many do, needs everyone’s support.
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@Mrs. Lemon-Lime: Thank you!!
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Lawmakers are now BANNED from talking to detained migrant children AND have to give a two-week notice before visiting a detention center. What country are we even living in?? I don't recognize it anymore...
http://thehill.com/latino/393293-lawmakers-banned-from-talking-to-detained-migrant-kids
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I don't know if we know what's in it, but Trump signed the executive order.
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@Adira: Here's the full text. With, of course, shots taken at congress for not solving this issue that he manufactured... https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/affording-congress-opportunity-address-family-seperation/
Also note they spelled "separation" wrong in the URL...
Bahaha, they fixed it. Here is the *corrected* URL. Which means that everyone who publicized the original URL will now be sending people to a 404 error page. Great. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/affording-congress-opportunity-address-family-separation/
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@Adira: maybe we wouldn’t think they were hiding stuff if they would stop acting like they had stuff to hide!!!
Also to some points earlier in the thread I am 1 million percent more concerned about these children suffering abuse at the hands of the USA then whoever they came to the border with. And it’s such a copout to say 1% of children are trafficed so let’s torture 100% of children. Ughhh I can’t wait until November
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*bangs head against the wall*
Well, at least something was done. I didn't even think he would do it.
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@gotkimchi: Agree 100%!
@MrsSCB: Thanks! Reading it now!
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@MrsSCB: Thank you.
Basically, he's gonna pat himself on the back setting up family internment camps. Disgusting.
Plus, i'm worried about section 3(b) - what constitutes a concern to the child's welfare? They've been arguing all along that the parents are criminals by crossing illegally so why wouldn't they just say that they're taking the kids away from criminal parents?
And Sec 3(e) allows families with kids to be detained indefinitely (currently, my understanding is that the Flores settlement makes it so you can't hold kids for more than 20 days). So, now we effectively have family style prison for misdemeanors. I don't see how this isn't an internment camp.
And we need to stay vigilant that the kids that have been separated are actually reunited with their families.
I'm so grateful that the needle is moving, but we can't forget what's still being done in our name. I feel like they are counting on us forgiving and forgetting which scares me because next time they'll just do whatever they want but be quieter about it.
TL:DR - keep calling your reps and keep donating!!! Thanks everyone!
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I don't want to ignite any more conflict on this thread, but this is probably the most unlike 'hellobee' I've seen a board thread be in a while.
I want this to be a welcoming community that is kind and thoughtful and considerate. I realize that there are many hot topics out there that we may have strong opinions on, but just because someone disagrees about the root of the cause or the solution to something, does not mean they are terrible people. It does not mean they are wrong. It means they think differently than you. You do not have to agree! If we all thought the same way, would the problem be solved? No, because these are complex issues and there are always ramifications, known and unknown to our solutions.
I appreciate the suggestions of things to do: donate, be civically active, participate in fostering, etc. but I feel this thread has moved beyond that.
I hate having to add this, but please do not consider this a personal attack on anyone or a statement of my indifference to the situation or read anything between the lines. I just want hellobee to remain a welcoming community and I think this thread does not accomplish that.
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@codeitall: Not to argue with you, but I've been around for years and this thread is pretty classic HB when it comes to something controversial! We're great when it comes to pregnancies, IF support, losses, and answering baby/kid-related questions, but when politics come up, there's always a few people that argue back and forth!
It's no grapefruiting thread, that's for sure!
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@codeitall: I appreciate what you’re trying to say, but I have two points: one, not every opinion is valid. Some are just wrong. Yes, someone who defends this policy absolutely “thinks differently” than me. But as I said earlier, it’s not just a difference in opinion, it’s a difference in morality. Two, I’m tired of being nice. Sorry, not sorry. This is literally a human right travesty. I have cried many times over this in the last few days. I do not have the emotional bandwidth right now to worry about the feelings of people who defend this policy. It’s all being spent on things like the three month old baby taken from his parents’ arms.
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@codeitall: While I agree with your point in general, I disagree in this specific instance. When it is a matter of a simple disagreement yes, you’re right, but I don’t think that’s what this situation is. When one side is saying “taking young children away from their mothers is justified because these people tried to cross the border illegally” and the other side is saying “this is evil” that isn’t a difference of opinion, and it is the responsibility of all of us to stand up and say no, this is abhorrent. You cannot have a civil discourse when one side believes immigrants (or gay people, or black people, or any subset of humans) are not deserving of basic human rights.
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@codeitall: I actually thought it was pretty contained for what it could have been
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When it comes to human rights and harming children, it’s a moral issue that needs people to fight back, hard, and stop tolerating atrocities in their tracks. To me, the moral high ground is not to keep the peace with those who disagree with you but to fight for those who are being harmed.
So, basically what @erinbaderin: said.
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@YogiRunner:
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I get wanting secure borders, and I get that sometimes drawing the line is not pretty and doesn't feel good.
But that said, we can absolutely do better than using innocent children as pawns and violating human rights. I believe the vast majority of Americans are better than this although for many who don't live near the border it may seem abstract.
And that is as political as I pretty much get on the internet these days. I try to stay out of the vast majority of politics even when I have strong opinions. But children, really?!!
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Anyone else hear their kids cry recently and think of all those parents (and even the workers) not physically able to comfort them? To know they are just feeling utterly alone and abandoned. I just can't even think about it and I think anyone who really tries to think about it has to be glad they won't be doing this anymore, but also has to know deep down this is unacceptable.
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Trump tried to use taking babies from their parents as leverage to get funding for a wall. It’s absolutely disgusting. On top of that so many people have lied for the President and he has lied blatantly and repeatedly. It’s beyond unacceptable. And it’s concerning they continue to lie. https://twitter.com/deadlinewh/status/1009537845944639488?s=21
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@Maysprout: the amount of lying from this administration is absolutely appalling and the amount of people that fall for it....
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There’s also this, from CBS reporters.
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@MrsSCB: horrible
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@erinbaderin: @MrsSCB: 100%. There is only one right side of history in this debate and I am frankly not interested in any justification otherwise.
@gotkimchi: that Orwell quote is shocking in how accurately it sums up the current state of affairs.
And this. You don’t have to be religious (I’m not) to agree with the words of the Pope in this case, just a human with morals.
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@Mrs Panda: I love this.
One of my coworkers is extreme far right and for some reason tends to bring up controversial topics with me despite knowing my fairly liberal leanings. I generally respond very noncommitally and do not engage her. I've learned it's not worth the fall out since I have to work in close quarters with her 40+ hours a week. However, today I couldn't stay silent when she brought it up. It wasn't a pleasant conversation but I absolutely cannot turn a blind eye and not stand up for my beliefs on this topic and allow my silence to be taken as agreement. It's absolutely deplorable what is going on and it shouldn't even be a political topic, it's a morality issue.
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@MrsSCB: That's horrible. We must keep fighting and calling and donating!
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@snowjewelz: @gotkimchi: It is all so horrifying.
Please don't stop calling your representatives. Don't stop donating. This isn't over.
"At another hearing before a different judge, as one of my colleagues asked the agent on the stand about the whereabouts of my client’s child, the prosecutor objected to the relevance of the questions. The judge turned on the prosecutor, demanding to know why this wasn’t relevant. At one point, he slammed his hand on the desk, sending a pen flying. This type of emotional display is unheard of in federal court. I can’t understand this, the judge said. If someone at the jail takes your wallet, they give you a receipt. They take your kids, and you get nothing? Not even a slip of paper?"
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@MrsSCB: I saw that and was completely disgusted. I've also read that one of the former heads of ICE is saying that it will be virtually impossible for the kids to be reunited with kids. Currently, some are being flown to other states. I saw on twitter last night and this morning that many people were camped out at LaGuardia with signs because kids were being flown in overnight to be disbursed to organizations or shelters in NYC. It's so disgusting, appalling and just plain sad.
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@MrsSCB: I can't. Who are these heartless people?!
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I know, my husband and I keep saying at he hospital you get wrist bands and a lo jack on your baby but for this they just take them and you have no idea where they are or how to contact them or if you’ll ever see them again?? My lo doesn’t even know her last name or my husband and I name much less how to contact us??? It’s truly truly evil
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@gotkimchi: Exactly! and what about the babies and those that are so little that can't talk? They change sooo quickly and have no idea who their parents are. How would you even start to be able to figure out whose kids they are?!
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