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  1. Mrs D

    grapefruit / 4545 posts

    @Maysprout: my money is on a Trump Rubio ticket...

  2. cascademom

    coconut / 8861 posts

    @bluestriped bee: Wow, that sounds verbatim what my MIL hates about Hilary. I'm still surprised that the Right hasn't let these scandals go months and months later. Hilary turned over the emails and records. The way that Fox News covers it makes it sound like she's on trial and not turning over discoverable evidence. Even Obama struggles with not having a personal smartphone since being in office. When we're so connected with technology, politicians have the same struggle of separating the two.

  3. pwnstar

    pear / 1718 posts

    @cascademom: My disgust for Hillary goes back much further than that . . . White Water, Vince Foster, and Juanita Broaddrick, to name just a few.

  4. Truth Bombs

    grapefruit / 4321 posts

    I may very well not vote. Which I am embarrassed to say. But politically I can not bring myself to vote democrat, and as a human being with morals (questionable as they may be 😉) I could never vote for Trump, he's disgusting.

  5. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    @cascademom: Ehh, not quite the same though in my book. Purposefully covering up and not turning over things when asked is a big deal. Struggling wanting to use a smart phone not quite the same thing. A friend posted a good point that many of our friends that work for DOD companies could be fired, fined and jailed if they did what Hilary did. She should know better.

  6. cascademom

    coconut / 8861 posts

    @pwnstar: Good point. I do remember those controversies as a teenager. The Vince Foster suicide still bothers me to this day.

  7. cascademom

    coconut / 8861 posts

    @T.H.O.U.: My husband has the same opinion about the records as you do. We talked about this in the car on the way to buy a bookcase for LO #1. What's interesting about the Hilary emails thing is that she's constantly surrounded by an entourage of assistants and staffers. How it fell through the cracks amazes me.

  8. pinkcupcake

    cantaloupe / 6751 posts

    Nothing of any real substance to add except to say the thought of a Trump nomination makes me want to throw up. A couple republican friends have mentioned they just won't vote at all if that's the case.

  9. MrsKerch

    apricot / 256 posts

    I have no idea who I am going to vote for. Trump scares the crap out of me. Having a slumlord/developer as president is terrifying. His " great business track record" is built based on taking calculated risks where others wouldn't and burning the unsuccessful ones to the ground before they got too out of hand. Look at his bankruptcy history. I want to believe that the people who are still backing him are doing so because they believe that once he's in office he'll have enough support around him to guide him but I just don't see that happening especially with how he and his team have allowed him to conduct himself so far. Not voting is not an option in my book but I can't bring myself to support him.

  10. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @T.H.O.U.: Often at those companies, you're not allowed to use personal devices for work stuff, whereas that wasn't the case for Hillary. Plus, it's my understanding that at the time of those correspondences, none of her e-mails were classified. It was only later that they were re-classified.

  11. Maysprout

    grapefruit / 4800 posts

    @Adira: we don't really know what were on the emails. At least half she deleted. Her defense seemed to be to joke that she didn't understand computers. But if it's not a joke, then that's extremely concerning that at the levels she's been at that she doesn't understand basic security in communications. If she is joking then she's being disingenuous about something that isn't really a joking matter.

  12. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @Maysprout: I won't argue with you about it, but I believe her and the whole email scandal doesn't bother me nearly as much as it seems to bother other people.

  13. BandDmommy

    pomelo / 5660 posts

    @MrsKRB: agree, I'd never vote for Sanders

  14. Mrs. Pen

    blogger / wonderful cherry / 21616 posts

    @lawbee11: yeah that article pretty accurately sums up my feelings on Sanders. He's been gaining in the polls, so I hope that continues so that he becomes the democratic candidate!

    My husband has said that more than likely, no matter who ends up as the candidates, he plans to vote for Rand.

  15. DillonLion

    GOLD / eggplant / 11517 posts

    Every election I've been able to vote in has felt like the lesser of two evils, and this election has candidates that feel more evil than ever. The election process in this country has been so incredibly disappointing to me as a voting adult.

    I align republican on issues that are most important to me, although I have plenty of left leaning social views. I just find them less important. I've voted independent before and I'm not opposed to doing it again. It just depends who winds up getting the nominations and what their policies are on things that are important to me. I already know that my views do not align with Trump, Clinton, or Sanders.

  16. Pirouette

    pomegranate / 3331 posts

    @cascademom: agree with you except i'm not surprised they haven't let it go. just like repealing obamacare, they won't stop until they succeed, and if the public believes it (which clearly, at least a good portion of the public does), then they have succeeded, even if they haven't proven anything. I'm not in love with Hilary, but I do feel she is attacked more than any other candidate, and not always fairly.

  17. rattles

    grapefruit / 4903 posts

    @Maysprout: My money has always been on Rubio too. Trump is an embarrassment. How anyone can take him seriously as a candidate is beyond me.

  18. mrsbubbletea

    nectarine / 2821 posts

    @mrsjazz: ditto on why lurking!

  19. daniellemybelle

    cantaloupe / 6669 posts

    @cascademom: I am a liberal Democrat on pretty much every issue but I can't get excited about Clinton. Maybe it is because I'm young and Obama was the first President I ever voted for, but she is this super rehearsed career politician that would say or do anything for power. I know all politicians have plenty of skeletons, but her closet of them is more like a warehouse. And she is totally beholden to the banks, corporations, etc. She leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

    Also, I know she isn't her husband, but she has supported him at every step and helped shut down allegations of sexual violence. I do identify as a feminist and I think we should believe women who are sexual assault victims. So I have a hard time reconciling that.

    All that to say, I would vote for her in a heartbeat over Trump. I am just not excited about this election.

  20. mediagirl

    hostess / wonderful persimmon / 25556 posts

    I changed my registration so I can vote either Democrat or Republican come voting time. I plan on voting Democrat for the Primaries because I just think the Republican party is going down the tubes and I refuse to support them by giving them my vote right now. When it comes to the general election, I would vote Sanders over Trump but would have to see what other options there are if it is Trump/Clinton.

    But .... then I keep thinking ew....if I vote Democrat, then I'm giving them my vote and I don't know if I can do it.

  21. Andrea

    GOLD / wonderful coffee bean / 18478 posts

    I really don't know. When it comes down to it, I don't think I could vote Democrat. I'll have to look at 3rd party candidates next, maybe.

  22. Thenetexan

    apricot / 355 posts

    I didn't vote because I needed an all of the above type choice. I will vote for anyone before Trump. My mom will likely disown me if I vote for Clinton, but I cannot stand by and do nothing to stop Trump.

  23. shortcake

    apricot / 288 posts

    @wheres_c: the notion that republicans are somehow the fiscally responsible party is an urban myth. Seriously, look at the tax and spending records by party going back at least 50 years and you will see. It's just simply not true and there are no facts to support the notion. It is now just reputation that they tax you less.

    http://www.salon.com/2015/05/05/the_ludicrous_myth_of_republican_fiscal_responsibility_a_history_lesson_for_the_modern_gop/

  24. jedeve

    pomegranate / 3643 posts

    I'm kind of surprised at the notion people would rather not vote and all than vote dem. I'm a democrat but would have no problem voting for a republican if I felt they had better policies. (And have voted for conservative candidates before!) I think I would want to vote against Trump more than anything if I was a republican! It would be extremely disturbing if he became the voice of the party. And oh yeah, the country. Anyone catch where he said he could shoot people and still not lose voters?!

    @shortcake: agree. I used to work in tax policy. "Fiscally responsible" is just rhetoric.

  25. LCTBQE

    nectarine / 2461 posts

    I'm an independent and like everyone else here, am so disappointed/disgusted by our options. I'm an atheist and don't want to vote for a fire-breathing bible thumper; Trump is a joke and a business failure without real conservative principles; Bernie is way too liberal for me, and I detest Hillary. Basically, I'm ready to burst into tears wishing Mitt Romney was here again.

    @Pirouette: I don't know if I see NYC or NY state supporting Sanders... so much big business here eager to get in with the Clinton machine, and the rest of it is very New York Times, middle of the road liberal, even considering how turned off many of them are by Hillary. I think Sanders is much more of an idealist Vermont/Mass/college town candidate

    @daniellemybelle: Hillary also says all victims of sexual violence have a right to be believed-- or at least she said that when campus rape was in the news, so you have that in common with her. except of course her husband's victims, those women are liars who can be swept under the rug. seriously, I don't understand why every woman doesn't see through her the way we do.

    @DillonLion: everything you said, exactly.

  26. ShootingStar

    coconut / 8472 posts

    @LCTBQE: I am a die hard liberal, and I think Romney was really only out to make the rich get richer. But OMG I would so take him over any Republican candidate today. Trump is a raging bigot, and the Christian conservatives scare me. At least Romney was fairly middle of the road.

  27. AprilFool

    nectarine / 2591 posts

    @Maysprout: Not to threadjack but Australia's last prime minister, no body would admit they voted for him and yet he won by a landslide. People just don't want to admit when they think they have the unpopular opinion.

  28. Mrs.KMM

    grapefruit / 4355 posts

    @jedeve: I don't see how voting for a Dem that I have major issues with is any better than voting for Trump who I have major issues with. Just because a Republican isn't for Trump doesn't mean that they think the Dem options are any better.

  29. LCTBQE

    nectarine / 2461 posts

    @ShootingStar: yes, agree with everything you said! the thing I liked about Romney was that at least he understood private sector business and was a successful person--and I don't think he was a straight-up megalomaniac, I think he wanted to serve others as well as himself, which is more than I can say for trump... shudder.

  30. Pirouette

    pomegranate / 3331 posts

    @LCTBQE: agree with much of what you said. I never thought I'd be hoping for Bloomberg as the voice of reason! The taxes on soda would be through the roof

  31. LCTBQE

    nectarine / 2461 posts

    @Pirouette: ha, seriously!

  32. Keybee

    kiwi / 735 posts

    I thought he was a joke in the beginning and I just can't get over that...

  33. 2littlepumpkins

    grapefruit / 4455 posts

    I am too young to have a typical voting pattern, I guess, at least when it comes to presidential candidates (and I admit I haven't been great about voting for other positions, something I need to follow better!) but I was planning to vote republican this election. If Trump wins, I don't know what I'll do. I will not vote for the democratic candidates, I know that. 3rd party is an option. I live in CA though..so it's not like it matters.

  34. daniellemybelle

    cantaloupe / 6669 posts

    @LCTBQE: Oh, I know. She also defended the rapist of a 12 year old girl when she was a criminal defense lawyer. Her position as an advocate for women is purely convenient.

    But that doesn't change that I know she would represent what I want for the country in terms of policy better than Trump. So I would hold my nose and vote for her.

    It's sad to me that this is truly the best the United States of America can do. Recycling prior Presidents in the form of their siblings or spouses, and reality TV stars.

  35. jedeve

    pomegranate / 3643 posts

    @daniellemybelle: to be fair, that is a criminal defense lawyer's job. Someone has to do it. My husband is a lawyer and so are lots of our friends. They definitely have times they don't like their clients but have an ethical duty to see they get fair treatment in the justice system.

    I get the frustration that their are Bushes and Clintons in the race. But she has had an extensive career as a lawyer, senator, and Secretary of State in her own right. I don't think she should be discounted because she is the spouse of a former president.

  36. daniellemybelle

    cantaloupe / 6669 posts

    @jedeve: Sure, but you don't HAVE to defend scum, right?

    I absolutely believe that she is a very smart and successful leader and that she could be an effective President. And like I said, I would vote for her over Trump in a heartbeat. But my point of reference is that in the only two Presidential elections I have voted in, I voted for Obama who I genuinely believed in as a principled candidate who stands for the same things I stand for. I don't think Clinton is principled - I think she is a strategic (and dirty) politician.

  37. avivoca

    watermelon / 14467 posts

    I'm actually surprised at the amount of people who say they will not vote rather than vote for a Democratic candidate. I've seen what happens when the majority of citizens don't exercise their right to vote, heck, my state is living it right now with a governor who is dismantling our health care program! So I encourage those of you who have said that you won't vote to think long and hard about it. You don't have to vote for Sanders or Clinton. Vote third party or vote for a write-in candidate, but make your voice heard! It's you guys who are going to make or break this election, so please show up and vote.

  38. yoursilverlining

    eggplant / 11824 posts

    @daniellemybelle: I know this is a bit of a TJ and sorry, but yes, when you are a criminal defense attorney you HAVE to defend scum. That’s your job and that’s an essential part of the justice system. Everyone is entitled to a defense, regardless of who they are/the charges. You don’t get to pick and choose your clients unless it’s your own one-person firm *and* you can afford to be selective. HRC was running the local legal aid clinic at the time, which is pretty darn honorable work. There are also some reports that she asked the judge to remove her and he refused her request – which again means that yes, she actually did have to defend her client. Defending people regardless of their charges is what keeps the justice system intact. Selecting clients and refusing to defend some based on charges directly erodes the justice system. She was able to get him a favorable deal because the state lost some of the evidence and the chain of evidence was questionable – the defense attorney isn’t to blame for the sentence/deal, they keep the state in check and keep the justice system in check.

    HRC is attacked a lot (and has been for 30+ years) for often wholly unfair and inappropriate reasons – sorry, but this is another example where she just can’t win, no matter what. Performing her job 40 years ago is now a reason why she can’t be a defender/champion of women’s rights?

    I totally agree that HRC is a career politician, with everything that comes with that. She isn't a squeaky clean person, but I think this attack just isn't fair.

  39. Anagram

    eggplant / 11716 posts

    @yoursilverlining: I agree with you, 100%. Isn't this country's whole justice system based on the premise of "innocent until proven guilty"? If anyone who is ever charged with a crime can't get a lawyer because lawyers won't defend anyone who has been charged with a crime (notice the circular logic there), then our entire justice system is a failure.

  40. daniellemybelle

    cantaloupe / 6669 posts

    @yoursilverlining: Thanks for some of that context - I will admit I didn't know all of that.

    I think she can be an advocate for women's rights in terms of policy and I think she would be as a President which is why I would vote for her. But I just see it as convenient for her. I was trying to answer the question from @cascademom about why so many don't like Clinton. I don't "believe in her" the way I did Obama, and, yes, I think she is far from squeaky clean and I can't help that it bothers me.

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