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  1. MamaBear87

    pear / 1892 posts

    @yellowbeach: yay!!! Grow baby grow! All the fingers crossed for you

  2. MrstypeA

    cherry / 126 posts

    @yellowbeach: beautiful embryo! Good luck!! I’m cheering for you!!!

  3. Miss Sarah

    persimmon / 1220 posts

    @yellowbeach: Beautiful! Sending you so much baby dust!

  4. foodiebee

    cherry / 162 posts

    @yellowbeach: Ahhh, I missed so much! Sending you all the baby dust! So glad transferring everything worked out okay too. Your picture was fascinating!

  5. MrstypeA

    cherry / 126 posts

    Had my US this morning. I’m 5w5d and saw only 1 baby! We were also able to see the heartbeat. I’m still not convinced there isn’t another hiding behind there. They missed my twins with my first ultrasound last time!!

    Next scan 9/19! 🙏

  6. Sams Mom

    GOLD / nectarine / 2255 posts

    @MrstypeA: That is very exciting! I'm sure your eager for the next scan to confirm the head count.

  7. foodiebee

    cherry / 162 posts

    @MrstypeA: Yay! So glad the scan went well. You cracked me up with "another baby hiding in there."

    AFM, I have a possibly silly question. I watched a new documentary on Netflix recently about a couple's journey with IVF and infertility ("One More Shot") and I noticed that during retrievals, all the women wore long-sleeved shirts and knee-high socks. Are the socks necessary? I understand the shirt, as my dr's office is always chilly. My retrieval is planned for next week (u/s tomorrow!) and I don't own socks like that. I'm wondering now if my feet are going to freeze...

    @Sams Mom: When I saw that you'd posted in here I thought I'd missed a big announcement and frantically scrolled back to find it

  8. MrstypeA

    cherry / 126 posts

    @foodiebee: I think it’s a superstition thing (and practical bc it’s freezing in those ORs) but I have been wearing socks for weeks now, it keeps the “uterus warm” I don’t know if it’s silly but even my acupuncturist said that it was a good idea and to wear a tight tank top under shirts to keep the “Hara” (belly) warm.

    That’s my understanding at least!

  9. Sams Mom

    GOLD / nectarine / 2255 posts

    @foodiebee: no I just creep hardcore on ivf, I've always been fascinated and I may someday adopt an embryo so I'll kind of go this route.

  10. foodiebee

    cherry / 162 posts

    @Sams Mom: Cool! One of the couples in that documentary I referenced above do embryo adoption, in case you're interested in watching.

    @MrstypeA: Interesting; thank you!

  11. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    Ladies I’m trying to decide when to POAS. Last transfer I tested at 7dp5dt and got my

    This time I was thinking I’d test at 6dp5dt which would be Saturday. I didn’t trend my trigger shot the whole way out, only til the morning of my transfer. There was still a very faint (not quite a squinter) line then.

    Am I asking for trouble if I bump it up a day to 5dp5dt? I’ll be using FRER.

  12. Sams Mom

    GOLD / nectarine / 2255 posts

    @yellowbeach: Camp Pee on ALL the Sticks! If it's anything more than a squinter on the same brand, I'd call it good

  13. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    @Sams Mom: hmm I was trending out with Wondfo. Guess I’ll test with both. The more sticks the better, right???

  14. MrstypeA

    cherry / 126 posts

    @yellowbeach: I didn’t realize you had an HCG shot! Ugh I would wait if you didn’t test out as much as I am an early tester!

  15. foodiebee

    cherry / 162 posts

    @yellowbeach: Not sure this is helpful, but my RE said it's safe to assume the trigger is out of your system 14 days post-trigger. Not sure when that falls for you, but maybe it helps. I don't test because my luteal phase is 10-12 days, so I just wait for AF, and so far she always shows.

  16. MrstypeA

    cherry / 126 posts

    @yellowbeach: where are you regarding testing tomorrow?

  17. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    @MrstypeA: I cheated and tested today.

  18. MrstypeA

    cherry / 126 posts

    @yellowbeach: YESSSSS!!! was that 4dpt? CONGRATS!

  19. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    @MrstypeA: 5dp5dt Thank you!!!

  20. MrstypeA

    cherry / 126 posts

    @yellowbeach: so exciting!

  21. Mrs. Pajamas

    kiwi / 501 posts

    Has anyone here donated or adopted embryos? The clinic we used for IVF is arguing with me about whether they want to accept our embryos (PGS tested!) and they sent me information on 2 other places but they are faith-based and I don't want to limit who adopts our embryos to a certain faith. Any ideas most welcome!

  22. Sams Mom

    GOLD / nectarine / 2255 posts

    @Mrs. Pajamas: No idea really, but I have been looking into adopting embryos if I don't end up pregnant soon. So I am following along to learn anything else I can.

  23. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    @Mrs. Pajamas: Sorry, no experience

  24. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    Ok, so out FET on 9/9 apparently wasn't a BFP - the tests were likely all invalid and/or evap lines because my serum HcG yesterday was negative.

    I'm just a little thrown off heading into a next FET and can't help but wonder why this one didn't stick. Our DD was a fresh transfer right after our ER in 2016, and they had given us only a 30% chance that she would stick. Now we are PGS tested, and they had told us a 70% chance of success, yet this last FET didn't work.

    I never did figure out if temping is valid during an IVF cycle if there are minimal meds or not (lots of meds would of course skew things), but I only bring it up because my chart looked great until I developed an almost fever (100.3) and started having myalgias. I blame the flight to and from Colorado and the germ exposure that comes with being on a plane.

    I guess I'm just trying to figure out if we had much better odds this time, where did things go wrong and is there something I can avoid this next cycle. I know the odds aren't 100%, but I want to maximize our chances.

    I'm headed to my RE at 1:30 today to discuss this next round and any potential protocol changes. Should I expect (or ask for) protocol changes, or was just doing a trigger shot the right thing for me, and maybe I just need to try that again? Any thoughts on questions to ask and things to consider are appreciated.



  25. Mrs. Pajamas

    kiwi / 501 posts

    @yellowbeach: hugs mama I can so relate to the disappointment of failed FETs. I had 2 failed FETs trying to conceive DD2. They were not PGS-tested embryos, however (we tested our remaining frozen embryos after the second failed FET), so I can imagine why you are extra shocked. But PGS only screens for certain genetic issues and by no means is a sure thing. If everything (lining, E2, etc. looked good) I imagine there won't be a change in protocol. As my RE said, sometimes it's just bad luck. Not really helpful I know (I was so mad when she said that) but there really only is so much we can control with conception and pregnancy. You will get your sticky bean soon. You have several more good frozen embryos right? How lucky you are!

  26. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    @Mrs. Pajamas: You were exactly right - just got home from an US and appointment with my RE and he said exactly what you said - sometimes just bad luck. He reviewed the timing of everything and said it all looks right and doesn't want to change anything. I go back on 9/28 (CD13) for a lining check.

  27. Mrs Lavender

    cherry / 126 posts

    Hi Ladies! Thought I'd join you. I’ve been posting on HB for about 3 years now, more than half of that under a different username… I can’t believe I’m here! TTC 2.5 years, 1 MC, a few IUIs/medicated cycles, and now IVF. We are beyond ready to have our first child and be a family of 3. I’ll be on BC until 9/30 and then will start clomid and follistim. I’m doing my clinics Mini Stim IVF - any other bees do something similar?

    @yellowbeach: So sorry. I agree with Mrs. PJs. Will you be waiting for AF then trying another transfer on your next cycle?

  28. foodiebee

    cherry / 162 posts

    @yellowbeach: I'm so sorry see this, but it sounds like you've had a productive meeting with your RE and have a gameplan moving forward. I'm so glad you have a few more emrbyos to try with!

    @Mrs Lavender: Welcome to the board!!

    AFM, I've been quiet this week bc I've mainly been scared. I started with 12 follicles. By last Monday I was down to 10. By last Wednesday I was down to 6. Those 6 have held on and continued to grow over the weekend, but for a while there I was terrified that every scan I went to was going to have fewer and fewer follicles until the entire thing just got canceled. It's been hell. I've gone for daily u/s and blood work (my poor arms are so over this) the past few days, and finally heard today that the retrieval will be this Friday. I feel simultenously defeated that I only have 6 and relieved that those 6 have held on. What a week.

  29. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    @foodiebee: Gosh what a rollercoaster. The ER process is SO much more intensive than doing a FET by like 30x. I remember maybe having 2 days in 3-4 weeks where I didn't have something IVF related to do (lab draw, US, appointment, etc). It's very depressing to see the numbers drop at each stage - no matter what those numbers are. You always seem to want more of course... as many Bees on this board once told me - it only takes 1! But here's to hoping you have as many as possible. Will your SO be able to join you on Friday for retrieval?

    @Mrs Lavender: I don't think what we did for our ER was a mini-stim, but can't be certain. ANy reason you switched usernames?

  30. Mrs Lavender

    cherry / 126 posts

    @foodiebee: Hey girl! How stressful. I read so many stories online and it's so true, it only takes one. Crossing my fingers you'll have a positive outcome. 6 is still great number! Hang in there and I'll be thinking about you on Friday.

    @yellowbeach: I had to step away from HB for a while and deleted my account. I don't have any children and at times I felt like I couldn't relate to most threads. Reading about everyone's families was starting to get difficult.

  31. foodiebee

    cherry / 162 posts

    @yellowbeach: Yes, thank goodness, he is taking Friday off!

    I think the other part of having 6 follicles is that my dr said she was hoping we'd get 10 mature eggs before we started stimming, so the moment we dipped below 10, I felt like a failure. The rational part of me knows I have very little control over this, but the emotional part has struggled.

    @Mrs Lavender: I had to step away for a bit too for this reason, but I never could find another community quite like HB, so I always found myself gravitating back to it. For me, my pain over seeing BFPs and reading about everyone's wonderful kiddos made me ultrasensitive in a way I didn't like, so I stepped back to get myself collected, so to speak. Right now, I find it works best for me to limit the threads I read. I suppose it's not that dissimilar from avoiding baby showers and not clicking on a friend's Instagram story so that I don't watch her latest ultrasound footage. All that is to say, you aren't alone and I'm happy to see you here!

  32. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    @Mrs Lavender: When I joined HB I didn't have any LOs yet and can definitely relate to what you said. All these potty training and party gift threads just seemed superfluous to me. HB was much more active back then (2016), but I still couldn't find any threads for infertility trying for #1.

    On the topic of HB being sleepy, there are so many women in this thread and the past 3 IVF threads with experience and advice to lend that don't seem to be active anymore. I wonder if we tag them all we could (selfishly) resurrect the IVF/Infertility thread to help some of us now. Just a thought

  33. mrswin

    nectarine / 2369 posts

    @yellowbeach: @Mrs Lavender: Hi ladies, I am still hear reading along but haven’t been very active posting because I am really struggling as the journey to have #2 seems to be almost more difficult than #1.
    I have been part of the IVF threads since almost the beginning and this thread was invaluable when I did my IVF cycle in 2014 that resulted in my DD who is 3.5 now.
    We started trying for #2 late last year with an FET. We were fortunate to get pregnant but then we miscarried. I would have been due around now had that pregnancy continued. We did another FET not long after that failed.
    We then geared up and did another fresh cycle in May which was disasterous. Out of 10 eggs retrieved only 2 were mature enough and fertilized so we did a Day 3 transfer which failed. This was a major blow as the cycle was sooo bad and the doctor seems at a bit of a loss as to how to improve it if we go forward with another round.
    Sorry for the vent but I am here and always cheering the ladies in this group on.

  34. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    @mrswin: Gosh what a rollercoaster ride you've been on. Has all of this been out of pocket too? That only adds to the stress... did they do any genetic testing after your loss? I'd be wondering if egg quality is an issue at this point in the game... Has your doctor offered up any ideas for next steps since May, or are you and your SO taking a breather to regroup?

  35. Mrs Lavender

    cherry / 126 posts

    @foodiebee: Yes, all the same feelings. Did your doctor give you any reasoning why she thinks they got less than 10 follicles to mature? What's your amh? Do not blame yourself. I swear this is all just random luck!

    @yellowbeach: Agreed. I posted an IUI thread awhile back but I guess there are just not many bees going through treatment. I'm sure I'll have a lot more questions once I start stimming. So I may have to start tagging!

    @mrswin: So sorry about your struggles. Have you thought about getting a second opinion? I'd feel so defeated if I had to cancel a cycle. I'm cheering you on too!

  36. mrswin

    nectarine / 2369 posts

    @yellowbeach: Yeah it has been hard. We have been almost 100% out of pocket for all our cycles since 2014 with the exception of the most recent fresh cycle which was funded through the government (1 free cycle per lifetime) and you only pay the meds.
    Egg quality is and has been an issue but no one expected it to be so bad this last fresh cycle. The one thing the doctor suggested is that next time she would do a super trigger (2 doses) to see if we can push for maturity as apparently some people metabolize ovidril too quickly.
    No genetic testing after our loss because I miscarried naturally and wasn’t able to collect enough of a sample..
    We have been taking a breather for a bit since we need to save some money before we try again and also need to decide how much we can endure
    Next step is to have a laparoscopy for endo early next month and then try to prep my body for another fresh attempt

    How are you doing? I am sorry about the false positive this last cycle.

  37. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    @mrswin: I'm doing ok actually - annoyed, feeling duped, but not all that emotional about it surprisingly. I think it's a combination of the relative disappointment - this feels light compared to getting our NIPT/CVS results that lead to our TFMR... I guess disappointment is all relative. I think I'd have a much harder time with it if we weren't able to roll right into our next FET cycle.

  38. foodiebee

    cherry / 162 posts

    @mrswin: @yellowbeach: Sending you both

    @Mrs Lavender: My amh is 2.3 and fsh is 5.9. We haven't talked yet about the follicle count. We don't have the money to do this whole process more than once, so I'm not sure it makes much of a difference at this point if a different protocol would've worked better. We could swing the cost of a FET if we had the embryos, but we'd have to step back and save for a while if we had to start from scratch.

  39. yellowbeach

    persimmon / 1094 posts

    @foodiebee: I'm not sure what kind of work you do, but I know more than one person who has switched jobs or taken on a side job just bc the insurance covers some or all of IVF. If it's something you'd consider, I can give you more specifics.

    AFM, got an update from the RE: he wants to bump my trigger shot up from 5000u to 10000u. He said with 5000u, he has seen that some women do not have a long enough luteal phase and will start a cycle early if they are not pregnant. Hoping this might help this cycle. It will also keep me from testing until later as to not get a false positive again.

  40. Mrs Lavender

    cherry / 126 posts

    @foodiebee: I hear you. We are OOP also - it sucks. I live fairly close to Delaware but in another state. I'm actually starting to transition out of my current career and will be searching for a new position in Delaware specifically for the fertility coverage. They recently just mandated coverage starting in 2019. Hopefully our first round of IVF will give us a few good embryos but that's my back up plan just in case things go south. Good luck tomorrow!

    @yellowbeach: So interesting about the trigger shot. I suffer from a short LP so this is good to know for future FET cycles. Hopefully this does the trick! I have not heard of any side job that offers fertility coverage... please do tell.

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