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No indictment in Michael Brown shooting

  1. littlejoy

    pomegranate / 3375 posts

    @Espion: This!!!

  2. TemperanceBrennan

    pear / 1998 posts

    I'm surprised how many racist things people have posted on Facebook. I grew up in the area and most of my Facebook friends still live in St. Louis. It seems to be entertainment for a lot of them.

  3. cait

    apricot / 268 posts

    .01% of grand juries result in no indictment. This is rare, and absurd. There were witnesses. The main person "quoted" as looking at the autopsy report and saying it looked like Brown was reaching for the gun came forward saying he was misquoted and did not believe that was the only conclusion. There is plenty of evidence suggesting Brown was over 100ft away from the Wilson, not 35.

    Regardless of who you believe is right, there is no valid reason why this should not have resulted in a trial. That is what our legal process supposedly exists for.

    This is a very sad day.

  4. littlejoy

    pomegranate / 3375 posts

    @blackbird: Ugh. I know. I agree, I just can't understand how it goes from that to shooting at him so many times!? It's racial profiling. It's racism. I will say that I feel for the officer. I 100% doubt he went to work wanting to shoot a black kid that day. This has probably ruined his life. He killed a person. It's sad. I'm angry at the system, and I feel for all who were affected.

  5. cait

    apricot / 268 posts

    @blackbird: I'm confused as to why you added "black" into the list of reasons someone might be considered a threat.

  6. littlejoy

    pomegranate / 3375 posts

    @cait: Because black people in America are unfairly targeted by police every minute of every day.

  7. yoursilverlining

    eggplant / 11824 posts

    The verdict doesn't surprise me. Neither does the shift in total focus now to the few acts of violence being committed amongst a huge crowd of people, instead of actually focusing on and addressing the deep-rooted, huge issues that have caused that many people to gather in one place for so many days.

  8. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    @cait: because ferguson is a predominantly black town with extremely high crime rates. Or, you now, I'm totes racist

  9. cait

    apricot / 268 posts

    @littlejoy: I completely agree!! They are. This is not what I'm saying. I'm responding to the statement that the situation escalated quickly because he was a threat, being a "350lb black man." Being a large, strong man can make someone a threat. Black SHOULDN'T be a part of that list, however.

  10. Applesandbananas

    pomegranate / 3845 posts

    @littlejoy: I think that's incredibly unfair. Police officers are, overwhelmingly so, putting their lives at risk so that you and your loved ones are safe each and every day. Yes, there are horrible things that happen, but that doesn't make all police officers evil racists.

  11. MrsSCB

    pomelo / 5257 posts

    @Applesandbananas: not all officers are racist, of course. But that doesn't mean racial profiling isn't a reality in law enforcement.

  12. littlejoy

    pomegranate / 3375 posts

    @Applesandbananas: When did I say he was racist!?!?!? I said I feel for the officer. I don't think HE is racist (I don't know him). I think THIS SITUATION is racism. This situation is based in racism. Again, I feel so badly for this man. I can't imagine the panic he felt. I imagine all of those shots were a result of fear and loss of control.

  13. Applesandbananas

    pomegranate / 3845 posts

    @littlejoy:
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    @cait: Because black people in America are unfairly targeted by police every minute of every day.

    I don't think that's a fair statement.

  14. Madison43

    persimmon / 1483 posts

    @cait: shouldn't but is, sad to say. The harsh reality is that a black man is almost always perceived to be a bigger threat than a white man.

    I'm reserving judgment until I see all the evidence that's been released but what a disaster all around. The town is a powder keg of tension and you announce that there's s verdict, wait hours to announce it, are late to your press conference, and then spend 15 minutes complaining about the press and social media. It was all a little tone deaf.

  15. littlejoy

    pomegranate / 3375 posts

    @Applesandbananas: It's called racial profiling. Look into the amount of black people who are incarcerated for certain crimes vs the number of white people incarcerated for the same crimes. I was making a generalization. In this case, I think race is VERY much a part of the equation, and I stand by my statement. (All of that is said without calling that officer racist.)

  16. plantains

    grapefruit / 4671 posts

    @Applesandbananas: lots of people don't actually feel this from the police, they feel that police are at great to then and are not protecting then in any way.

  17. Applesandbananas

    pomegranate / 3845 posts

    @littlejoy: I think this officer, and most, make the best decisions they can, in the split second they have, with the incomplete information available at that time. I don't think race was an issue until the media got wind of the situation and sensationalized it.

  18. plantains

    grapefruit / 4671 posts

    @Applesandbananas: how are they sensationalizing it? Race is undeniably an issue when the unarmed members of one race are frequently shot and killed at an alarming rate. To pretend that race doesn't enter the equation is a dangerous thing and it is what allows the distrust to continue to grow and take root until it boils over onto what we have today. I also think it is very easy for someone who isn't of the race being profiled to claim yah grace doesn't enter into it.

  19. photojane

    cantaloupe / 6164 posts

    This is all just so sad. There are no winners. I feel so badly for Michael's family who must live without him. I hate that the officer and his family will never know a normal life again. It's all awful.

    I will say, though, that I think police-blaming/shaming isn't good for anyone. I don't think blind trust is helpful, but an outright distrust, disrespect, and disregard of the people who are sworn to protect us only creates more scenarios just like this one. Yes, our police officers should have boundaries and should be held to a certain standard and protocol, but the "f- the police" attitude certainly isn't going to make a better, more peaceful world.

  20. MrsSCB

    pomelo / 5257 posts

    @Applesandbananas: then can you offer a suggestion as to why stuff like this keeps happening to black men if it's just the media turning it into a race issue?

  21. plantains

    grapefruit / 4671 posts

    I wait with bated breath to see what the grand jury decides about Eric Garner. Hopefully they do the right thing, not holding my breath though.

  22. Applesandbananas

    pomegranate / 3845 posts

    @plantains: @MrsSCB: I think we will have to respectfully agree to disagree. I doubt anything I say will change your minds, just as the reverse is likely true.

  23. Baby2Feb15

    coffee bean / 29 posts

    @blackbird: I'm confused.. She shouldn't be considered a threat because she's not a 350 black man? So all 350 pound black men are threats to the police? Or me? Is this real?

  24. Kemma

    grapefruit / 4291 posts

    @littlejoy: I'm not in the US so am only getting a limited view of the situation but I do have a question:

    Is the high crime / conviction rate of young black men a result of racial profiling and / or institutional racism or is the racial profiling a natural consequence as a result of the high crime / conviction rate amongst that particular demographic? I'm sorry if I haven't worded my question particularly well!!

  25. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @Blackbird: Michael Brown was 292 lbs not 350 lbs. He was still a big boy, but as a person always trying to lose weight 58 pounds is a big difference.

    I am not surprised by the verdict. I'm disappointed that the indictment decision was met with burning & looting as I think there are more constructive ways to channel frustration. I agree with the family's call for police wearing body cameras; in cities where these have been implemented citizens' complaints of excessive force have significantly decreased.

    Aside from the Ferguson outcome my next statement still rings true. I am still fearful that an encounter with the police could mean a fatal outcome for my 5' 10" 150 lb father; 6' 3" 190 lb brother, and 6' 0" 220 lb husband. Regardless of size black men are perceived as scary, violent criminals in this country ETA by police and fellow citizens.

  26. Becksabee

    cherry / 235 posts

    I live in St. Louis. I actually grew up in the next town over. I don't really have an opinion one way or the other as I wasn't personally there. I'm rather concerned with what's going on right now though. Over 12 businesses were set on fire last night, lots of people hurt and they are saying travel is bring restricted. It's a total war zone.

  27. catomd00

    grapefruit / 4418 posts

    @Applesandbananas: honestly I think you are putting police on a pedestal they have not shown they deserve to be on. They are humans who make the same mistakes and do the same shitty things regular old citizens do.

    To not address the race aspect of situations like this and denying it exists is a huge part of the problem.

    You don't have to be klan member to be racist. Racial profiling can be quite subtle. White people do it all the time without even realizing! I know I have. The only way to change it is to recognize it, be honest with ourselves about our thinking and work to change it!!!!!

  28. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    @Kemma: I was coming to ask the same thing. Statistically black men have some of the highest crime rates and I believe some of the most violent crime rates. I'm sure most police officers know this. Like someone said earlier I don't think the police officer set off that day saying lets go shoot a black kid, but once the altercation began I'm sure that statistic and perception of how the situation "could" unfold played in his mind.

  29. Applesandbananas

    pomegranate / 3845 posts

    @catomd00: I don't think it's a pedestal, I just don't believe they wake up everyday and go out and kill black men for the hell of it.

  30. catomd00

    grapefruit / 4418 posts

    @Applesandbananas: and I don't think anyone would argue that. No one is saying they're killing black men for fun. But race plays a part in how they are treated. Deny it all you want but it won't change a thing.

  31. Dandelion

    watermelon / 14206 posts

    I honestly haven't followed this particular case, but I wanted to point out that there are plenty of cases of police shooting white people when it was unnecessary. They also shoot dogs a lot for not much reason. You just don't hear about it as much because it doesn't escalate into a racial issue.

  32. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    @Baby2Feb15: if you punched a cop and reached for his gun, you would be considered a threat, too. But size, gender, and race come into effect as far as perceived threats go.

    I woke up to rioting in the streets.

  33. Applesandbananas

    pomegranate / 3845 posts

    @blackbird: I stayed up way too late watching them burn the city to the ground. And watched looters on live tv. Completely absurd.

    Thankfully there isn't much going on in my city.

  34. Mrs. Lemon-Lime

    wonderful pea / 17279 posts

    @Dandelion: true, a white mentally ill homeless man was beaten to death by cops in CA for loitering. That was tragic.

    @blackbird: that's why I'm not surprised by the verdict. Even with all the conflicting evidence, I believe Officer Darren Wilson was in fact assaulted by Michael Brown.

    Once again, Ferguson police/ mayor/ prosecutor did not help the situation. Why hold onto the info for hours and release the grand jury's decision in the darkness of night?

  35. Dandelion

    watermelon / 14206 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: There was an old white man shot to death right here in my town, when he reached for his CANE out of his truck. The officer assumed the cane was a weapon and fired before he knew for sure.

  36. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    @Mrs. Lemon-Lime: I think they were waiting for schools and businesses to get home. School activities across the area were cancelled and schools in the ferguson, florissant, and clayton areas are out this week. A lot of us in the area were instructed to get home early and traffic was brutal in many areas. The protestors also shut down some highways last night and blocked it up. I think if they had done that at 4 or 5pm, people would have gotten hurt. Just my guess. A lot of businesses were on the threat list

  37. daniellemybelle

    cantaloupe / 6669 posts

    @blackbird: That was absolutely a racist statement and it's also true. Black men are perceived as threats more than anyone else in this country, 350 lbs or not. It's wrong & unjust & the fact that you think it's okay, that a different standard should be applied because he happened to be born black, is beyond disappointing.

    I don't know the facts .& even after the decision I still don't understand them. I wish we had a way to investigate the facts fully & for both sides to make their case.

    Oh wait. We do. It's called a damn TRIAL.

  38. Ra

    honeydew / 7586 posts

    @Kemma: I'm about to run out the door, so I can't write out a long, thoughtful response, but I think it's both.

    Historically, racism (both individual and institutional) provided little to no opportunities for African Americans. Thus, forcing a large percentage of the demographic into poverty. Higher rates of poverty typically result in higher rates of crime. The cycle of poverty is extremely difficult to break in the US. Schools in impoverished areas are underfunded, parents are frequently out of the home, kids are less likely to graduate or receive scholarships to afford higher education, etc. So, the crime rates stay high in these areas, which results in more institutional racism. It's a vicious cycle.

    I wish I had more time to type out something a little more coherent!

  39. mrs.shinerbock

    pomegranate / 3779 posts

    @Kemma: @T.H.O.U.: I suspect it is a little of both. I have seen a fair amount of research that shows that the color of your skin dictates difference consequences for the same actions. For example, the rate of pot usage is higher among white men, but the rate of drug convictions for pot is much, much higher among blacks. I've also seen some studies that show that black boys are statistically much more likely to be suspended than white boys for unclearly defined behavior (like insubordination) in kindergarten. Out of school disciplinary action at such a young age is often a precursor for problems in the future, thus the "school-to-prison pipeline."

  40. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    @daniellemybelle: I never said it was ok?.....

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