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  1. .twist.

    pineapple / 12802 posts

    @hilsy85: I have done this too. Although, it can get me into trouble when DH asks a deeper question and I'm like "um... I dunno, I didn't read that much into it". Hahaha.

  2. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @Mae: Oh my gosh, I told Hubs that if he really loved me, he would wash my car and fill it with gas! THAT is romance to me! (I'm settling for him killing all the spiders in the house, which I also REALLY appreciate)

  3. ShootingStar

    coconut / 8472 posts

    @JoJoGirl: I know this wasn't directed at me, but to me talking about work does make me feel like we're connected. We call each other on our drive home every night and we talk about our how are days were. We used to work together and we were much more involved in each other's days, and I think we both still miss that. Our evening conversations to catch each other up helps fill that void.

  4. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @.twist.: haha! That has happened to me as well, especially when I only skim the headline or something! But Dh usually has a lot to say so it works out

  5. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @.twist.: @hilsy85: That happens to us too, but I think Hubs enjoys being able to lecture* me on things and fill me in on the details!

    *lecture as in teach me things, not scold me.

  6. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    @lawbee11: Yeah same for us. We are definitely in love but there isn't tons of passion right now. I think that's not something I expect to feel all the time though and know that there will be ups and downs with that. It's way more important to me that we have a consistently good partnership than consistent passion.

  7. Mrs.Panda

    nectarine / 2358 posts

    We are definitely still in love after 9 years together tomorrow (!) but I know things like children can put a strain on relationships. We are expecting our first in October and I'm looking forward to seeing how our relationship and dynamics will change with a new addition, but I of course still hope and intend to be in love with my husband. Even if I end up wanting to kill him sometimes

    Let me also qualify by saying our "in love" does not mean flowers or love poems or anything remotely like that. We kind of grew out of that a long time ago and it's not something we require. As others have said, our romance comes in the form of appreciation and doing things to help the other person out.

  8. travellingbee

    hostess / papaya / 10219 posts

    @JoJoGirl: yeah I still feel like he is the one person I can be vulnerable with. We have lots of deep conversations and we often talk about life and our beliefs. Sorry things are rough for you right now!

  9. Smurfette

    GOLD / wonderful coconut / 33402 posts

    @JoJoGirl: I feel connected when we cuddle in bed before we go to sleep, or he takes R for a walk cause he senses I need a break, makes me feel like he gets me. The other weekend, we didn't do anything special but a had great weekend as a family and I felt more connected to him because while we weren't alone, we were having fun together.

  10. Mae

    papaya / 10343 posts

    @Smurfette: same. We don't have a ton of deep talks anymore, but really we didn't have that many before LO was born either. We've been together 7 years, we've had all the big talks (mostly). I feel most connected to him when we find a little alone time (generally during a nap) and pop in a movie and cuddle on the couch. Just enjoying something together is enough for me at this point.

  11. JoJoGirl

    cantaloupe / 6206 posts

    Sigh. So maybe it is more a question of 'love languages'. I can assure you DH has never once washed my pump parts

  12. Grace

    cantaloupe / 6730 posts

    It's just different since LO was born. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by taking care of her and working and life, that I feel there's nothing left. So I am still grateful for and love DH but it's almost like those are things I know and don't overwhelmingly "feel" anymore. My plan is to ride it out and I expect those feelings to come back. One thing that has helped a lot is to have board game night once a week. It gives us a chance to talk or have the deep meaningful conversations if we want, but also because we are doing something, we don't feel like we're staring across the table looking for something to say.

  13. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @JoJoGirl: Have you asked him to and he just wouldn't? Or it just doesn't occur to him to offer? Hubs washed my pump parts, but only because I told him if he wanted to get sex more often, he needed to help out more with all my after-work tasks. So he took over washing my pump parts and all the bottles.

  14. JoJoGirl

    cantaloupe / 6206 posts

    @Adira: Hahahahahah. That would probably work. And no I never asked him that specifically, but the things I do ask him to do (i wash/he folds, I cook/he cleans) he is on board - I think it's more the 'random acts of kindness' to show he loves me is what's missing.

  15. JoJoGirl

    cantaloupe / 6206 posts

    @Grace: Yes this has only been an issue since LO. We had a hellish first year and while it's not horrible, we're not back to where we were.

  16. Mae

    papaya / 10343 posts

    @JoJoGirl: thats sort of the root of all our issues. I am a big words of affirmation/acts of service person. Basically I'm sort of emotionally needy and I need a lot of assurance that DH loves me, is happy, thinks I'm doing a good job, appreciates what I do like..... all the time. And when he does little stuff for me it makes me feel like he appreciates me and he's taking care of me, which is important to me. DH is totally not a small gestures/say nice things for no reason person, he's a physical touch person. So he slacks off and stops doing or saying nice things to me, and I get surly and start being cold to him, and then he gets surly and says even less nice things, and we spiral. So we need to battle it out every now and then so he remembers that I actually need to hear him say nice things, and I remember that if I'm feeling too flustered to give him a hug when he gets home he feels unloved.

  17. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @JoJoGirl: Ah, yes, Hubs doesn't generally do random acts of kindness either. Honestly, I'm just not sure he's that thoughtful (or maybe we need to read the love language book too). But I just tell him what I want and he does it and that's good enough for me!

  18. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    Yeah...totally agree with the PP's. A lot of our "deep talks" surround circumstances. Lately, it's been a lot of talk about what we want our lives to look like and what would make me happy, since i'm thinking about going back to school. And it's a "big" conversation. But if nothing is "going on", you can't force a conversation! And sometimes our conversation *is* just about "how cute our baby is, i love her so much, i love you so much"....and then sometimes i want to throw up

    One of my love languages is "tasks". I show my love by "doing" things for DH and I feel loved the most by him doing things for me that help me out and help take care of me and make our life go smoothly. So for me, Acts of Service are the way to go and make me feel loved regularly. Being kind just generally goes a long way. And i think this is one of those areas you have to really work at. Sometimes, no, i don't want to fold his clothes. But sometimes i do it to be nice. It nets me kindness in return.

    eta: DH is a touch and affirmation kind of guy. I have to work really hard at this. It's not easy!!! But it is important.

  19. JoJoGirl

    cantaloupe / 6206 posts

    @blackbird: If part of our conversations are "I love you so much", this thread would not exist

    @Mae: I guess I"m the same way? I asked DH this weekend after a big fight if he loves me and he said yes, but that's kind of been it recently..

  20. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    @jojogirl, ha touche. I just meant that sometimes that's *all* our conversation is. A simple statement, then we eat our dinner and drink our wine on date night.

    Do you know what makes your DH feel loved? Maybe if you slathered it on him, he would feel reciprocal and it would help break the cycle instead of you both feeling in a rut. I know I tend to be the sulk-y one out of the two of us.

  21. Boheme

    papaya / 10473 posts

    @JoJoGirl: I hear you on a hellish first year. I don't have any great advice or life changing words of wisdom, but I can commiserate for sure. I feel like from your posts our LOs are very similar (sleep? What is sleep?) and we spent so much of his first year just trying to keep from drowning, its like "Now what?" I almost feel like there's still damage to be undone.

  22. Mae

    papaya / 10343 posts

    @JoJoGirl: Yea. DH says "I love you" but it's usually like, at the end of a phone call or before be and feels like more of a habit than a statement. And then I get all "how can you say you love me when you don't even seem to care that I was up 4 times with our baby last night and you never even said "wow that sucks"?!?!" He's never going to be the type to say super mushy stuff, which is fine. But that means it is way more important for him to say to me "sorry you had a rough night with LO, you're a good mom." or "wow you got a lot done today, the house looks great!" or when he puts gas in my car to save me from having to do it. But that's something I need to explain to him... again and again and again (because after 7 years it is still not his habit to do or say these things without my fishing-- which i refuse to do because then it seems not genuine) haha.

  23. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    Haha, random act of kindness??? My husband has to be told things to do. He would never say, for example, what can I help you with? But he will say, oh, I'll make dinner if you are going to the park.

  24. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @Mae: haha, I spent a day cleaning out the garage and tearing down boxes and putting them in the recycling (that had been picked up earlier that day) and got "Did the recycling not get picked up today?"

  25. cascademom

    coconut / 8861 posts

    @JoJoGirl: random acts of kindness in our marriage include remembering his favorite candy bar when I'm at the store or cleaning up. I've always made a point of thanking him for doing these for me/our family. Sometimes, I leave little notes around too. As our marriage counselor pointed out to us, it's important to fill up the well with acts of kindness, so that when things are tough, you remember the good things or goodwill towards your partner.

  26. JoJoGirl

    cantaloupe / 6206 posts

    @Mae: YES yes and yes.

    @looch: Okay so I'm not the only one..

    @Boheme: Thanks lady. And yes exactly this - we spent so much of the first year just trying not to kill each other and LO, now that we are finally getting some sleep and I am being treated for PPD, things are neutral, but I wouldn't say good?

  27. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    @JoJoGirl: Yeah, I mean, in our early years, my husband would get upset if we didn't talk on the phone for 6 hours a day, but now, we simply don't have that much philosophizing to do.

    My husband would absolutely do whatever he needs to do for his family, but he's not going to bring me flowers from the grocery store just because. But he does know what kind of yogurt I like and makes sure he buys it on his weekly grocery shopping trip. And if I ask him to attend my son's open house for school, he attends.

    I never thought about it not being enough. We are both very practical though. My idea of a good gift is giving me an hour to go to home depot alone!

  28. rachiecakes

    coconut / 8279 posts

    @JoJoGirl: can't get into much without Gold but I feel you.
    hugs

  29. swurlygurl

    honeydew / 7091 posts

    I really think a lot of it comes down to the love languages. My love language is words of affirmation, DH's is acts of service. Unfortunately, neither of us are easily inclined to the other's main love language. I wouldn't say this creates problems for us, but we're just not... as love-y as some couples?

    To your earlier question, we do not have deep, emotional conversations. That's not really 'us' though, so I can't see either of us initiating such a conversation.

    I would say we have a great marriage/partnership, but we are by no means any sort of movie-love that would make anyone jealous. It took me a while to grasp that, but once I did it took a huge weight off my shoulders to not expect fireworks all the time, and I am truly happy with our great life we have together

  30. Raindrop

    grapefruit / 4731 posts

    I'll be honest we have always been the second option. I am not sure if I have felt the first option with anyone and maybe we are the first option and I just don't know.

    When I met him, I sort of knew he would be a great partner for marriage and raising a family with. Did I fall head over heels for him, not really. Do I wish there were things about him that were different, yes. Would he say the same thing about me, probably. Overall though he's a great guy and I'm lucky we are together and we are happy. We are definitely not lovely dovely.

    What's kind of weird about us is having kids actually made our relationship stronger. We both stepped it up with our demanding little one.

    We did have some rough patches which we worked through with a lot of talking.

    Good luck! I don't think you are alone in how you feel at all.

  31. cascademom

    coconut / 8861 posts

    @Boheme: @JoJoGirl: I agree on the hellish first year. There's still lingering feelings over what happened to our marriage at that time. For us, it's just taken time for healing. As we prepared to TTC #2, we talked about expectations and feelings. It was a much more open discussion than previously knowing what we went through. It just wasn't about having a newborn again, but the other issues that came up as well. We both agree that we'll go back to counseling if necessary.

    Generally, I love my husband. Sometimes, he annoys me and does things that I disagree with. Those things came up after LO was born and going through marital strife. Now, those feelings come and go. Our marriage and our new normal changed. We're still working on that change over time.

  32. JoJoGirl

    cantaloupe / 6206 posts

    @rachiecakes:

    @Raindrop: @cascademom: Thank you guys and everyone else who chimed in.

  33. Crisark

    pomegranate / 3398 posts

    @JoJoGirl:

    And yes, we are option 1 and I feel very grateful for that. I've been married once before so I knew what I didn't want in a relationship/partner.
    He's truly amazing. We aren't perfect but we are always in love. Always Always.
    I've never known the love I have for him and him for me.
    When we got together I already had 2 of my 3 LO's so things didn't change much in our relationship when we had our LO last year.
    It's all just different stress with 3 kids varying in ages and needs and two full time jobs and money and bills and the normal things that we have to keep in perspective. We are very open and communicate a lot.

  34. Mrs. Tiger

    blogger / pomegranate / 3044 posts

    @JoJoGirl: sorry things are tough, we're in a real rough patch too. I didn't vote since I don't want to acknowledge that it's "normal" for us at this point

  35. Mrs. Coral

    clementine / 812 posts

    @JoJoGirl: Just want to give you hugs!

  36. JoJoGirl

    cantaloupe / 6206 posts

    @Crisark: @Mrs. Coral: @beaker: Thanks guys.

  37. lizzywiz

    persimmon / 1178 posts

    We are kinda like @looch: @swurlygurl: - practical, stable, not given to drama, happy but fully aware that other people might find our love boring
    But, we have been married 13+ years, so all of our drama kind of worked itself out (thank god). And I have never been in the 'my boyfriend/husband is my best friend' camp, which decreases my expectations, I think.
    My husband is my lover, my partner, my co-parent, etc. My best friend is a girl I met when I was 13- we can talk for days about nothing and we always 'get' each other. My husband has no interest in having a glass of wine and mutually dissecting some life event, interspersed with off topic catty comments about how a mean girl we both know has more wrinkles than us, lol. My husband also doesn't want to hear about my changing role as a woman and wife once I became a mom and all of that other good stuff. Oh, he'll listen, but on these kind of issues there won't be a give and take and I NEED that.

    I am not a particularly social person, but about a year after having the baby, I realized I liked my husband a lot more right after I had just had some girl time with a friend. I think, for us, it just came down to 1 person cannot be all things and while he is almost always a good husband and father, I get discontent when he doesn't fill the 'girlfriend' role, too. Does that make sense?

    All of that being said, we are in a happy roommate phase right now and actively talking about getting a healthy sex life back, so I voted #2. But I have been in this boat a long time so I know another wave of lovey feelings will come along.

    PS- I love threads like this!

  38. mrsjyw

    GOLD / wonderful apricot / 22646 posts

    We are option 1 most days, but we are only human and don't live in a romantic comedy! There are days where we are lucky if we get two words in with each other that isn't about work or the baby. There are days when each of us just needs to be alone because our schedules are so jam packed and we both are fans of alone time.

    We fight and argue from time to time but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. It gets us talking and we come out on the other side feeling relieved, rejuvenated, and much more de-stressed.

    We definitely have different love languages and talking through and understanding each others' needs has been key to balance in our marriage.

    I think the the best thing that has come forward out of our first years of marriage is that our communication and patience with each other has grown by leaps and bounds. It also helps that we're fortunate enough to have time "just us" every couple of months since we have family nearby. And yes, as cheesy as it is, he still gives me butterflies from time to time and we are a vocally affectionate couple.

    ETA: DH and I are both conversationalists. Outside of work/baby, our "serious" talks are usually about our parents, friends, dreams of our future, financial decisions, the status of our marriage and how we're feeling (usually when one person is feeling worn out etc). I've noticed recently that we have heart to hearts about things going on in the world and random news stories that strikes a chord with one of us. And that gets us back to talking about our family/DS/future/etc.

  39. Raindrop

    grapefruit / 4731 posts

    @lizzywiz: You know what's funny? I actually am the opposite of you. I thought thinking of my "my b/f / husband as my best friend" is what lowed my expectations.

    I don't expect my best friend to bring me flowers and chocolate or do a grand romantic gesture on my b-day or a special date but I do expect them to be there for me when I need them and want to talk. Also to have each others back when conflicts with other people come up and there to build and grow our friendship as needed.

    My husband is definitely my best friend and I know I'm his. I always thought that was what made us kind of different. Now I don't know. I'll have to think about it now.

  40. lizzywiz

    persimmon / 1178 posts

    @Raindrop: DON'T think about it!!!! You're happy- no need to delve deeper, lol.
    I see your point. Your best friend is the one who doesn't need to constantly demonstrate their affection- it is so true that it is in every gesture. I would agree in that sense.

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