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  1. PurplePeony

    pomegranate / 3113 posts

    @foodiebee: doesn’t this kind of screw over the kids on the afternoon schedule, though? There won’t have been enough time to clear out the air in the classroom or for the virus to decay between sessions, so it would seem to me that the morning would be much safer (12+ hours since the previous group was there as opposed to an hour or less). I’m not a virologist or epidemiologist or anything, but if I was able to choose in that situation I would 100% choose morning.

    Here, they’re aiming for pre-K and K to be on a normal schedule and most other students on a 2-day in-person schedule, but prioritizing grades 1-2, 6, and 9 for in-person if necessary (youngest kids plus “transitional” years to MS and HS). There’s an option for all-virtual for those who want it, but they haven’t said if you can choose to go back into the classroom later or if you’re stuck with your choice for the whole year. Regular schedule for everyone won’t resume until Phase 4. They sent around a preliminary survey awhile ago to see what people were planning to choose, but I think we have to make our final choice sometime in August. Although, now the science is saying it’s not safe to open for any in-person yet so we may not end up with any choice.

  2. Mrs. Tiger

    blogger / pomegranate / 3044 posts

    In MD our district just announced distance learning through end of 2nd quarter (end of Jan). I think it's the right call but it sucks for all of us!

  3. jhd

    coconut / 8079 posts

    Our school system has three scenarios based on case counts + the option for parents to choose in person or remote learning. I think the majority of parents want in-person learning with increased precautions based on surveys they sent out. However, cases are climbing rapidly in our area so I think schools will have to remain closed. We have committed to remote learning no matter what.

  4. JJ2626

    kiwi / 548 posts

    I’m in SF and public schools just announced they will be all distance learning at least at first. Private schools seem to be trying in-person. My daughter is only 2.5 years old so that doesn’t affect us, but our nanny’s son (who she lives with) teaches at a private school and I’m a bit worried. We are still deciding whether to send LO to preschool. Preschools weirdly all seem to be opening with some precautions, despite what public schools do. We are supposed to send LO to an outdoor school with only 7 kids so probably as safe as possible but we still not might do it. We have a nanny so not a big deal for us since she’s so little. I really feel for parents with school aged kids! There is no easy answer!

  5. foodiebee

    kiwi / 662 posts

    @PurplePeony: It seems like the only one who would get "screwed over" would be the class with a child who is asymptomatic and spreading it without knowing, which could fall into either time slot, you know? I see what you mean, though. I was just brainstorming reasons why schools would be trying out the concept of half days, and if the goal is to limit exposure time while also allowing for in-person time for kiddos, I can understand why half days are a consideration.

    My understanding is that the virus stays airborne up to 3 hours after someone sneezes/etc., so I guess whether the afternoon kids were more exposed or not is going to depend on how much time there is between the classes and how well the air is able to circulate during that time, all variables I highly doubt anyone can really accurately account for.

  6. Corduroy

    pomelo / 5258 posts

    I just accidentally turned on the live stream for the emergency meeting of the wrong school board. It's ridiculous that each community is having the same discussions and trying to solve the same problem with very little guidance.

  7. meadow

    persimmon / 1272 posts

    Just throwing out there....some of the half day choices may be to avoid lunch - a time when kids would be mask free, and I know in the middle school or high school level at least, in a cafeteria setting.

  8. Chuckles

    persimmon / 1494 posts

    I know this isn't school, but just another data point about the logistics of reopening and having to close frequently - our community pool reopened briefly, a lifeguard tested positive, and the pool closed for 2 weeks. It reopened for *one day* when 3 other lifeguards tested positive. Also, our local high school tried to have summer sports camp, but the program had to close because kids started testing positive. In this town, there were 19 new cases from July 1-7, and then 73 new cases from July 8 to the 14th.

  9. DesertDreams88

    grapefruit / 4361 posts

    @Chuckles: agreed. That would be worse that online learning.

  10. Chuckles

    persimmon / 1494 posts

    I totally understand why districts are waiting to make decisions, but it makes it hard for teachers to plan. Many people are saying that part of what makes them want to return to in-person school is because remote learning in the spring was all over the place in terms of quality.
    I am finishing up teaching summer school for my special ed students, and because we knew it was coming and had time to plan, I feel like it actually went pretty well. All students worked on their actual goals (as opposed to the spring when we were supposed to focus on general engagement), we offered up to 60 minutes of live small group instruction a day (depending on family and student preference), plus printable materials and recorded lessons with familiar staff, plus we were able to send hard copies of everything plus manipulatives and hands-on materials to families who needed it.

  11. petitenoisette

    pear / 1521 posts

    @Chuckles: we are wasting SO MUCH time (and money) trying to figure out how to return in person which will prob quickly go haywire the moment someone tests positive. The spring was crisis learning, not remote learning. Many school districts (including where I work) really didn’t allow teachers to teach. And returning to school won’t be normal anyway.

    It’s really awesome to hear how well your summer school went - I honestly think I can do a better job in the fall with true remote learning vs socially distanced learning.

  12. Mrs. Carrot

    blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts

    @petitenoisette: I'm not a teacher but I've been saying from the start that I really wish our district (and frankly all districts) had just gone virtual so that teachers can really get it done well. I manage training programs for a living and we had to pivot to virtual in March, with nearly zero experience doing virtual, so I completely understand how rough it was for schools. We've learned a ton now and are much better equipped to deliver programs virtually and I have no doubt virtual learning can work if teachers are given the time and resources to do it, instead of planning out return scenarios that I honestly don't think will last long anyway.

  13. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6085 posts

    @Chuckles: I am really encouraged by this! Our teachers were not allowed to teach anything in the spring, so it’s hard to guess what fall could be, but I’m hopeful. Our county just mandated all virtual for at least the first 3 weeks and hopefully that helps a bit with planning.

  14. josina

    pomegranate / 3973 posts

    Is anyone here a 2- WOH family that will be dealing with possibly virtual learning? I have no idea how this could work with DS (5) who will be starting kindergarten. It is a STRUGGLE just to get him to read a book or 2 with me at night. I can't expect daycare to teach him, or my 17 year old who will have her own virtual learning... no options are good right now.
    At this point it looks like we will have in-school classes, but covid is rising so much right now who knows what next month will look like.

  15. Mrs. Carrot

    blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts

    @josina: we are a 2 WOH household with a rising 2nd grader who will be fully virtual. We definitely have the privilege of working remotely for as long as we need to - neither of our offices are rushing us back - and once we have the schedule and when our daughter will be online, we'll sort out our schedules to figure out how to support her when she needs it for school and our work. In the spring we made it work (I blocked my calendar off as unavailable for conference calls when kid was online so I could work offline while she's online and be accessible to her if she needed support), and when I had to be on calls, my husband would step in (his work is a little more background than mine). There will be more time online in the fall so we'll have to see how it goes and figure it out as we go along. The biggest challenge for us was having our daughter do work offline. She loved the online interaction but offline she really didn't want to do the work so we'll have to find some way to motivate her/keep her accountable.

  16. josina

    pomegranate / 3973 posts

    @Mrs. Carrot: We are both still working full-time (not at home, remote is not an option), and that won't be changing regardless. I'm actually considering bringing DS to work with me a couple days if needed so he can sit next to me and do his online learning. (assuming the boss okays that!) If he's not with me, there is just no way.

  17. gotkimchi

    nectarine / 2400 posts

    @josina: when you’re at work who has ds? I have friends who’s nanny just does the school work with the kids. My husband and I also work ft and when I’m out of the house my mom has our kids and she did the school work those days

  18. MamaCate

    pomegranate / 3595 posts

    @josina: we are a 2 adult essential worker family but I am able to WFH while DH has to be in person (healthcare job). However I supervise a program so I only have so much flexibility to get things done. We will have a 3rd grader and Kinder and we are planning to block schedule the week and each use some paid leave time to make it work. We would love to do in person school for a whole range of reasons but I am pretty sure the cases in our community will require virtual learning in the near future. We are going to all it the week so one parent is home and in charge of remote learning while the other one is working.

  19. Corduroy

    pomelo / 5258 posts

    @josina: DH works from home and I'm in the office about half time now. Our two kids (K & 2nd) will be doing distance learning at the start of the year and maybe through Fall.

    The on campus extended care has expressed plans to open with small stable pods (details, hours and costs to be defined). The goal is to have the staff assist with the kids' distance learning but there's no details yet on what that looks like. I'm envisioning a group of 10-12 kids outside most of the day and then kids at desks in a classroom watching their regular teacher teach from home with some adult in the room watching them. Almost exactly like the in person school situation that wasn't approved.

    I actually like the idea of one stable group all day more than having class and then the kids dispersing into 10 different afterschool care groups. Lots TBD but if it seems safe enough we'll go that route. It's unfortunate that there won't be room for much enrollment and it's going to have to be pretty expensive and therefore cost prohibitive for many.

    My other plan is to quit my job because I can't see going back to supervising school for two and working full time.

  20. josina

    pomegranate / 3973 posts

    @gotkimchi: Currently my 17 year old step-daughter watches our 3 and 5 year old, but I can't expect her to do so AND do her own virtual school (senior year).

    We will probably send the 2 younger ones to back to our in-home daycare, where she has 7+ kids of all ages, so not sure how much 'learning' she could help facilitate either. We've been keeping them home for cost and it's safer, esp. when some of the other families don't social distance as much as we do.

    My MIL lives next door, but doubt she'd be willing to help unfortunately. Nor do we want to be the ones to put her at risk.

    @Corduroy: The stable pods sound like a good idea, it'd be nice if the government could facilitate something like that, or someway to help pay for it.

  21. gotkimchi

    nectarine / 2400 posts

    @josina: ok the other things I’ve considered doing for our kids are hiring a tutor or going in with a few families so 3 or 4 of the kids would be at one house with a mom or tutor or someone facilitating

  22. Jess1483

    nectarine / 2641 posts

    @josina: This year, I'm planning to "buddy" with another family. We each have 3 kids (and luckily, grades line up). I will supervise school for the older 4 (two K, two 2nd) and she will have the babies. (I'm a former teacher.) If I didn't have a tiny one who needs caring for (which is why this "trade" is ideal), I would absolutely be interested in having one other family with similar commitments to social distancing to teach and would love to make a little money doing that. Do you know any families who might want to make an arrangement like that? It would probably be less than a nanny,

  23. josina

    pomegranate / 3973 posts

    @gotkimchi: @Jess1483: If it comes to that one of our neighbors is a SAHM and home-schools her older daughter, so maybe that would be an option, I just haven't talked to her in a few years so hard to ask! We live in a rural area so this makes it all the more difficult.

    Our school and all of DS's classmates are 20 minutes away in the wrong direction for both of us to get to work.

  24. Mama Bird

    pomegranate / 3127 posts

    NYC here. We're supposed to find out the first week of August, but it sounds like they're planning for 1 or 2 days a week in school, plus virtual learning. Or a 100% virtual option. Virtual is a sadistic joke. I did not enjoy being my son's jailer at a time that was already traumatic. I want to homeschool instead, but DH and I have too much job uncertainty - what if I quit, and then a month later he's fired? So we can't plan. And we're lucky, we can survive for a bit on one income, and we both can handle teaching an elementary aged kid if need be. That's not the case for many families. They're really screwed. The crazy part is, it seems to be for nothing. I'm watching the statistics like a hawk, and between that and what I'm seeing on the street, I think we have substantial community immunity and are more likely to see mini-outbreaks than a true second wave. We also are seeing a big rise in crime, and boredom and desperation are probably playing a role. I'm 100% sure virtual learning makes sense for places with rising cases. But for us, it's a cure that's worse than the disease.

  25. Baby Boy Mom

    pomegranate / 3983 posts

    The last update we got was that they would have either 100% virtual or 100% in classroom for public schools. But there are so many unknowns and every week there is more information. I have not registered my kids anywhere. I don’t want to pay for private if it will be virtual. Currently leaning towards homeschooling if thingS are as much of a mess as they seem to be.

  26. catgirl

    nectarine / 2018 posts

    For those of you with a choice of in person or remote - what are you deciding?

    DD is starting kindergarten. We have the choice of 100% remote learning or the hybrid option they are presenting. The hybrid option is either 8:30-11:10 or 12:30-3:10 on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday. Wednesday will be a remote day for everyone with synchronous meetings in the morning. The students will be eating lunch at school even though it's less than three house - which means lunch at 10:40 for the morning kids and lunch at 12:45ish for the afternoon kids. We don't know much about the 100% remote option, just that at least half of the day will be synchronous. And if we sign up for remote we have to commit for the whole first semester.

    We live in Maine, cases have been very low compared to many other states. We were supposed to start school on September 1st, but it has been pushed to the 8th. We have to make our final choice by the end of the day tomorrow. And I honestly don't know what we are going to pick...

  27. Jess1483

    nectarine / 2641 posts

    @catgirl: It sounds like our situations are pretty similar. I also live in a state with cases that aren’t too high, although they have been higher now than they ever were in the spring. I have a second grader, a kindergartner, and a baby. We have chosen fully remote for a number of reasons, including our interactions with my parents, and the disruption of a hybrid model (but ours is two days a week). We have a small “pod” and I’ll facilitate learning. I decided on the online academy both for safety, and because I think ultimately were going to end up in fully remote, and I’d rather have the teachers that elected to do it and are learning about it. There was a teacher at my kids’ school last year that’s just pretty much refused to do any remote learning. My friend who had her twins in that class said they had almost no instruction for three months. I actually just talk to the principal of the online Academy today (this is a new thing and a new position) and was very pleased with our conversation. The kids will have two hours of remote instruction, but they’ll be broken up into smaller chunks. I feel good about this course of action for my family. They will also be using seesaw this year, which we did not use in the spring, so if anyone has information or thoughts about it, I’d love to hear it.

  28. erinbaderin

    pomelo / 5573 posts

    We had to decide between 100% remote and 100% in person, so we picked in person even though I'm not really happy about it or comfortable with the "precautions" they have in place. However I just can't keep working like this - I'm currently doing two full time jobs (I got a new job but I'm still doing my old job while they try to staff it) in a half day and I just can't keep it up. Plus home schooling didn't work that well for my son when he was in SK, I can't imagine it's going to go better when he's starting grade 1 and in French Immersion, and my son starting JK would never go for it. And they need to be around other kids.

  29. Anagram

    eggplant / 11716 posts

    @catgirl: oh man, have I been obsessing about this. My kids will both be in public school in one district (their school has 700-800 kiddos) and I'll be in different school (about 400 kiddos), so I have been obsessing over the stats and weighing pros and cons.

    My district is doing a hybrid schedule, but teachers will still be in the building full time. My kids school is somehow offering full time, full day (or a full remote option), but they were very careful in their 30 page safety plan to never mention class sizes. So basically, the plan is for everyone to be masked (not sure I trust kids and staff will comply 100%, 100% of the time, just based on how I see parents/kids act in public playgrounds, which are supposed to be masked spaces, and it's all the same community of parents and kids), but I don't see how they can space out the desks without having a hybrid schedule or without hiring additional staff (which of course, there is no budget, just like the rest of the US). Soooo..

    I've been looking obsessively at https://covidactnow.org/?s=856166 and weighing the risks, looking at other countries that have reopened and what their numbers were when they re-opened, to put it into context.

    The bad news for the US is, overall, our case numbers are so, SO much larger than any other country who has gone back.

    The good news for YOU, in particular, is that Maine and Vermont have the best numbers in the U.S., so likely the in-person school will go a lot better, in terms of potential outbreaks. I'll post the stats below (have to switch to my phone, where I saved the graphic).

  30. Anagram

    eggplant / 11716 posts

    Here’s the graphic from WSJ that I saved. It put the numbers by how many new cases the countries were having each day/million people.

    The website I posted above does cases/100k.

    But basically, as of today, Florida has 300 new cases/million, each day. Compare to these countries, where they range from 0-35 at the highest. Huge, huge difference.

    Georgia: 306 new cases per day/million
    California: 188
    Texas: 261
    Nj: 39 (way better, but still higher than any other country on the list)
    New York: 33
    Maine: 8 (pretty great! Their super strict travel measures have paid off)
    Vermont: 8 (Also great)
    Arizona: 160

    Of course, you also have to look at the the positive test rate (CDC recommends under 5%, many of the high numbers states are well over), and the infection rate (under 1% is ideal).

    So the difference between Maine and Florida is really, really big in this decision. Maine has .81% infection rate, .5% positive test rate, and 100% contact tracing. They are in a very good position to have safe in-person school.

    Florida has the 300 new cases/million a day, plus a 17.3% positive test rate, which means their testing capacity is low and also means they aren’t catching every positive person. And their contact tracing is only at 5%.

    So there’s a world of difference between returning to school when you compare one state to another. I’m still worried about my state, NJ, because while we are way better than before, we’re still only at 64% contact tracing and we are at 39/cases a day. Good news is, our infection rates and positive test rates are low at .99 and 1.3%, but I don’t have the same “slam dunk” feeling of it‘s definitely Statistically safe, that I would have if I lived in Maine.



  31. gotkimchi

    nectarine / 2400 posts


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  32. catgirl

    nectarine / 2018 posts

    @Jess1483: It sounds like you have a great plan in place! If our hybrid plan had been two days a week I think we would have definitely picked the online option because DD would have really struggled with the schedule. Good luck!

    @erinbaderin: It definitely feels like picking between two not great options. I completely understand why you would pick in person with all that you have going on!

  33. catgirl

    nectarine / 2018 posts

    @Anagram: Thanks for your amazing response. I recognize that Maine is doing really well number wise, and for that I am very grateful. I feel like in person is as safe as it will be for a very long time - which makes me want to, maybe, try it.

    DD's school is K-5 and has just under 900 kids. Last I knew 10% have selected remote learning. So roughly 800 kids will be in person, 400ish at a time. They expect the class sizes to be 8-10 while doing the hybrid. They are pushing to have everyone back in the building at the same time by the second week of October - if our numbers stay where they are. I'm not sure how the social distancing can possibly work if everyone is there at once.

    I also worry about all of the precautions and how DD will feel about them. Everyone will be wearing masks, kids have to be 3 feet apart with masks on and 6 feet apart if masks are off (while eating and for outdoor movement breaks), teachers have to always be 6 feet apart, no recess, and sitting at a table with 3 sided plexiglass dividers. I completely agree with all of those precautions - I just worry how my five year old will respond. They are also saying they will have less than two hours of actual instruction time per day and will still be expected to complete 2-3 hours at home.

    We have also bubbled with my mom and stepdad but I'm not sure that will continue if we send DD to school. Trying to decide if the socially distant interaction with kids at school is more important than DD being able to have regular visits with at least one set of grandparents.

    And I am really worried about drop off on the first day. I don't think DD will walk in willingly without one of us or a teacher to comfort/assist.

    All that to say - I feel like sending her might be "okay" or as safe as we can hope while this is going on. But I'm not sure it's the right choice for her or the way I want her introduced to school (she's only been in part time preschool prior to this). But I'm not sure how remote learning in kindergarten could possibly work either... I hate that I have to make a choice by tonight.

  34. caitcat

    apricot / 410 posts

    @catgirl: The grandparent visits vs. in-person kid interactions is something that we've struggled to balance, too. It ended up not being an issue in our decision for Kindergarten (our schools went all virtual anyway...and we've opted to homeschool instead), but back before we came to that decision and thought there might be a chance of something happening in-person, I pretty much knew that going in-person to school would rule out grandparent visits for a while and that was so hard to wrap my head around. We've ended up getting together with one set of friends with kids at similar ages for some outdoor playdates lately while the weather is nice to try to get in *some* social interaction for the kids, while remaining safe-ish on the grandparent front...and we're spacing out the friend get-togethers and the grandparent visits to give a buffer in between.

    I hope you get to a place with some peace about your decision today. These are such hard calls to make!

  35. PinkElephant

    grapefruit / 4584 posts

    @Anagram: Do you think we'll even make it back to school in NJ? My district has gone from "Plan A" (4 hr days/5 days a week, no lunch, no busses, masks in classrooms, counting on 30-40% of families not sending kids for in-person) to "Plan B" (same as Plan A but with kids split alphabetically into A team and B team so we have 1 week in class, 1 week remote) within the span of about a week and a half. I've been tuning in to all the Murphy announcements waiting to hear him recommend that everyone go virtual. I think the allowance made yesterday for schools that are not adequately prepared to have students there in person to begin the year 100% virtual is a step towards prohibiting in-person classes....and I'm not typically a negative person!

  36. Anagram

    eggplant / 11716 posts

    @PinkElephant: yeah, it’s very very tricky right now. Right now, both my district and my kids’ district haven’t made any changes to our original plans. BUT I know districts everywhere are struggling with staffing. People are retiring/getting doctors notes in high rates. One of my teacher friends in a different district (more in central jersey) said they have 3 teachers who are all very newly pregnant, but already have notes from their doctors not to return to work in person. When typically, they would work up till their due date, unless they qualify for then4 weeks disability leave right before their due date. So basically instead of going out in February for Mat leave, they are going out now and staying out the whole year. Plus another 25% of staff who have diabetes, hypertension, have recently recovered from cancer, are severely obese, have a childcare issue, etc and have applied for leaves. If they are eligible for the leave, they have to be given it under Murphy’s plan, and since in middle and HS, teachers have to be Certified for their content area, you can’t just shuffle teachers and students around. So if you have 5 middle school language arts teachers and now 2-3 have requested leave, the other two can’t follow them social distancing requirements and have ALL the kids in the school. And other teachers are certified to be moved in to those positions. And there’s no money to hire additional staff (plus no time), because the teachers on leave aren’t fired, they are just in leave.

    So, it’s super complicated and it will take a miracle. But my husbands job did a survey asking about how many people are comfortable returning to work in person and only 12% said they are comfortable returning now (with precautions like desks spaced out and everyone in masks—basically same as the schools).

    So it doesn’t escape my attention that many working White collar adults are not comfortable being in the same position we are expecting our kids and staff to be in.

    I don’t know what will happen. I really feel for everyone involved (including myself! I am not typically an anxious person and this has be worrying daily).

  37. Becky

    persimmon / 1390 posts

    We finally heard the final reopening plan from our district. We will be half day in the afternoons M, T, R, F and remote Wednesdays. Core classes will be in person, and specials will be remote except sometimes art (we’re on a 6 day schedule). There will of course be core subject assignments to do at home. We’re in NY and cases are very, very low now. Everyone is of course required to wear masks at all times and classes will be 10-12 students depending on the actual physical size of the room so they can be 6 feet apart. Lunch won’t be served at school. I am so glad they went with this model for the elementary school (HS and MS are 2 full and 3 remote days each week). I do wish like some other districts in the area we were going fully remote until October as opposed to starting 9/10 so we can see how things go with reopening in states more similar to NY (so statewide mask mandates and far past our initial peak), and teachers could better prepare. We will be sending our 2nd grader in person.

    We don’t have the problems with teacher comorbidities many other districts are grappling with, so very few teachers will be unable to do in-person learning.
    This is the full plan (which includes all the questions districts were required to answer and submit to the state): https://www.eastauroraschools.org/ReopeningPlan

    And this is the update with the final schedules: https://www.eastauroraschools.org/cms/lib/NY19000901/Centricity/Domain/1/Reopening%20School%20Plan%20UPDATE%2008-12-2020.pdf

  38. graceandjoy

    pear / 1565 posts

    Our district is offering full 5 day in-person for elementary, and also offer full remote option.

    @josina: Us! With 3 kids, and I cannot WFH (not that I actually cannot, but currently my employer won't allow it), we currently really have no choice but to send K1 and K2 to school. DH will already be stuck with taking care of K3 all day since he can WFH and is more flexible. I don't even know what to do with after school care as we don't want my mom coming over anymore once they both start school. I might have to find a babysitter...

    I think at least if school is mandated to shut down, then at least I have a reason to negotiate with my work to WFH more, even though it will be chaotic.

  39. josina

    pomegranate / 3973 posts

    @graceandjoy: Nice to 'see' you here again!
    The after-school care was another issue but luckily DS is going home with one of our neighbor kids whose mom also works at the school. Normally he goes to the library for early outs but of course that is cancelled this year.

    I think if it comes to school going all virtual we will do a combination of DS coming to work with me / staying with his older sister / and daycare, and somehow hope he still learns something!

  40. graceandjoy

    pear / 1565 posts

    @josina: I don't like going on HB on my phone, that's really the only reason lol. I've been in the office for a month now but been slammed the first month!

    It's gonna be so nuts to figure out, since K1 and K1 are in two different schools, so it's possible 1 have to quarantine while the other doesn't. I agree; I think if only 1 is out of school, I will ask work if they rather me bring her into work with me, or I work from home, since I obv cannot take PTO for like 10-14 days at a time! If BOTH are home, I think after we quaratine for 2 weeks I'd have my mom over again.

    Apparently there should be a lot of recent grads without jobs, or college students staying home via remote, so I'm also hoping to find a "safe" person that is willing to come over to help if needed...

    I literally have been talking in circules to myself for months trying to figure all this out. It's nice to be here again

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