How are back to school plans shaping up in your area? DH was wondering how our options compared to others around the country so I thought I'd ask here.
How are back to school plans shaping up in your area? DH was wondering how our options compared to others around the country so I thought I'd ask here.
pomelo / 5258 posts
This week the school board voted to start the school year with 5 weeks of distance learning and then M-Thurs am/pm split day schedule for elementary. Half would attend am, half pm, with the remaining half of the day and Friday completed as distance education. A 100% virtual track is also available for parents that want it. Based on parent response the school board has updated the five week delay to "when we are ready to move to phase II".
After just now hopping off a call the teachers union hosted for parents it's clear the union hasn't voted on this and is leaning toward 100% distant. I think a lot of this will come down to defining opening (and in the case of positives closing) metrics.
We're in the Bay Area where we have small school districts. Our county says it's safe to open schools now so the five weeks my district added was extra safety time. Some of our neighboring school districts have already decided on distance learning for the year.
cantaloupe / 6086 posts
In TX here where we’re setting records for cases - both the state and the county are red on this: https://globalepidemics.org/key-metrics-for-covid-suppression/
But the state has made it so that, currently, schools can only be funded if they offer 5 full days to anyone that wants it (virtual can be offered also). It’s high drama since safety is definitely in question, especially for adults, with lots of community spread and people not following the masking order etc. Districts are scrambling to figure it out and there’s actually a push in our local moms fb group for all who are able to keep their kids home and virtual to lower class sizes for those who don’t have a choice and must attend in person. I wish it was not up to parents to make that happen and the state was doing more to support schools.
Our district hasn’t released their final plans on the minutiae of it all (how they will handle masking behind the governor’s order, etc) but it seems like the new thing that’s being talked about is pushing back our start date from mid-Aug or allowing virtual starts until districts are more prepared and/or cases go down (but no sign of that yet). And of course they may have to just start and it’s going to be chaos when cases show up. And then maybe things will get so bad the whole state will shut down, who knows? There are soooo many issues and I’m just sick for the position teachers are being put in. And the administrators - they are trying but it’s such a mess and they’ll never please everyone.
The one good thing is kids will be allowed to switch at the 9 week grading periods. So we’re starting virtual for my K and 3rd grader and will switch to in person if we feel it gets to a safe point.
pomelo / 5621 posts
Our school district will be announcing August 1 what the plan is.
What I don’t get is when will kids who have two parents working full time do school if it’s online?
Our district laid out 3 options. Open with extra safety precautions, part time in class/part time online or 100% online.
pomelo / 5084 posts
We have been given zero
Information so far and I’m trying not to lose my mind. The public schools here I think are making their plans public on July 20 - so I assume our small private school will also
Do so shortly after.
pomelo / 5084 posts
@ALV91711: Same. It’s weird that no one is mentioning this. Even with a hybrid schedule what will working parents of kids who are too small to be home alone do?? I am in NO WAY blaming the schools. They need to stay safe. I’m blaming our f*d up government for not getting a plan together.
apricot / 286 posts
I am in a province in Canada where cases are very low (1 case in the last 2 weeks).
We are returning full time but with some changes. Our max class size has dropped from 21 to 15 students. We will become a “bubble” and students do not need to social distance or wear masks within their bubbles. Lots of extra cleaning, limiting movement of students within the building, trying to keep the adults that work with each bubble consistent, etc. School access to the general public will be limited. They are still ironing out the details (what will the playground look like? Bussing? Lunch?) but so far this seems best case scenario to me, both as a teacher and a mother of 2 young kids. I am teaching Kindergarten next year and am really excited for my little bubble class !
nectarine / 2018 posts
Our district is discussing lots of options - 100% in person, 100% virtual, or a variety of different hybrid options. But nothing has been decided or presented to parents. They said they likely won’t have final options until mid to late August. I get they don’t want to make the call too early but it would be nice to actually prepare. DD has so many questions about kindergarten, the majority of them just normal questions but I can’t answer them with all of the uncertainty.
I recognize we are very lucky though - I have been a stay at home mom since DD was born, and it was always our plan I would stay home through at least kindergarten and first grade. So whatever the choice is we can handle it. But I would still like to have time to prepare DD.
clementine / 948 posts
Our district will reveal the plan in early August. But I’m quitting my job - bw the uncertainty about schools and childcare (we have an au pair, trump cancelled that type of visa), I just need to stay home. I feel guilty leaving in the middle of a pandemic as I’m a nurse practitioner..but I did put my notice in in February so at least not leaving them high and dry. I had intended to find a new job in the suburbs but turned down my dream job bc of this mess.
This is all going to get way, way worse.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
I'm in Fairfax County VA (11th largest school district in the US). We have a full virtual option (4 days of 2-3 hours of live instruction) and a 2 days in school/2 days out option (Fridays are teacher workdays and support time for students who have support needs). Everyone must decide by Wednesday (the 15th). As of Friday, about half of the population had responded and it's breaking about 2/3 for in person and 1/3 virtual. Teacher responses are split half and half.
We personally chose virtual for a myriad of reasons for my rising 2nd grader. We're a 2 parent working household and we've been home since March and thankfully have employers who are giving us whatever flexibility we need to make life work. I have no idea what it's all going to look like but the in person option had way more downsides than upsides so we'll figure it out somehow.
grapefruit / 4584 posts
NJ here (NYC commuter suburbs). As mentioned in another thread, NJ school districts operate on a “township” level, so we have ton of small districts, and each gets to do their own thing. Ours announced a tentative plan last week. There will be no bussing except for those living 2.5 miles away from school or more (basically no one) whereas we used to have courtesy bussing for K & 1 and subscription (Pay-if-you-want-it) bussing available for others. Masks will be required on the bus and in school; lunch will not happen at school. We will go five days but four hours; it is unclear whether they’ll use the time to halve class size, or just for extra cleaning. The kids may sign on for more virtual learning once they are home from school, and everyone has the option for 100% virtual if they want. Parents will be expected to report their children's temperature daily. Of course, this can all change week to week as we see what happens in our area...there are supposed to be more details by August 3rd.
persimmon / 1495 posts
@charm55: that sounds like a great scenario and safe way to return to school! It's nice that they are taking precautions even though cases are very low.
persimmon / 1495 posts
We are just north of Chicago, where cases had been relatively lower and are now rising again. We haven't heard anything from DS's district, except for the range of options - everything from 100% in person to hybrid to 100% virtual. I teach in a different district, and we also haven't heard anything. I do understand wanting to see how things are going and make comprehensive plans but not being able to figure out work and childcare yet is nuts. My son's district has a focus on equity and access due to significant achievement differences between Black and non-Black students, so we'll see how that impacts what they do. A nearby K-8 district is going back full time with 20-25 kids in a class, which to me seems like such a reckless choice right now.
apricot / 286 posts
@Chuckles: Yes - I have to say I am very impressed with our provincial government. They have been so proactive and taking covid very seriously. We were one of the first provinces in the country to shut down schools back in March (even though we had no cases). As a teacher I feel totally safe going back and know that if a new outbreak occurs they will do what needs to be done. I also appreciate they released this plan about a month ago so we can all wrap our heads around it. We are fortunate to have had so few cases though, which makes the decision making easier I am sure.
persimmon / 1495 posts
@Mrs. Carrot: for the days when students do remote learning (for those who do a hybrid), do you know if it will be all self-directed and asynchronous? Or will students be watching the teacher at school, live? I think a hybrid model with a small pod would be my preference, as long as the days at home didn't have the expectation of DS zooming into school for many hours a day.
apricot / 364 posts
@charm55: Oh this sounds so nice especially since you feel comfortable as both a parent and a teacher.
Right now we have no final decision but the typical 3 options. We do know it will be 100% mask wearing when in building except lunch. Lunch will be in classroom not lunch room. No group seating (more all face front like from my own childhood). And it says no extra stuff in the classroom. I'm really curious how this looks since my incoming 2nd grader they used all kinds of things to help them learn to count, simple math, letter formation etc. Are there going to be no props? Now it's just lecture and worksheets? I have twins going into kindergarten so really struggling with what to do. I need way more details to know if I should send them or figure out how to school at home so I can incorporate more tactile learning experiences. I also work full time so no idea how this could even work but absolutely not willing to do full virtual with the school if it looks anything like it did in the fall (ALL on the ipad). It was terrible but of course thrown together with no notice/ability to plan.
I wish Ohio were in a place where we could do bubble classes. That sounds so nice but realize our state got a little too comfortable and now not in the position to do that with our rising cases.
nectarine / 2460 posts
Our school district has a proposed hybrid model of kids being grouped in 3 tracks and attending school in person one week and virtually for two. Parents can also choose completely virtual by the 20th. The governor may still choose to delay in person learning though so we could be all virtual anyway. When they first announced I was sure we’d be doing in person but I’m second guessing myself now and thinking DH and I should figure out how to make virtual work. DS1 was exposed to someone positive for COVID at summer camp 2 weeks ago and the resulting self-isolation was a pretty big headache. I don’t expect my daycare to open soon so keeping everyone at home seems to make the most sense...
persimmon / 1495 posts
@hilary: and @JennyPenny: we are also thinking that unless there are some very significant changes that won't totally mess with the positive aspects of school, we will try to keep DS home (he will be in 2nd grade as well). I also have no idea how this will work, but DH wants to try, which is interesting because he really struggled with working from home and definitely isn't equipped to help DS with remote learning.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
@Chuckles: For the hybrid option, the non-school 2 days would be completely asynchronous, which was one of the many reasons why we chose virtual for my kid. I really wanted her to have a consistent level of interaction and with virtual they get 4 days of synchronous instruction, even though it's spread out. I don't know how many schools are entertaining the "zooming into class" option - I think there's too many privacy concerns and technologically it's very hard to do from my own experience managing training for a living (and virtualizing it all for the past few months). If they had a 2 days in school/2 days of synchronous learning option, I might have considered it, but no teacher/student interaction at all for those two days was one of the reasons I didn't like it.
pomegranate / 3973 posts
Our school just sent out this 4-phase plan Friday. Cases are going up in our area (county basically doubled in a week, but it is still low, up to 61 now.) I really hope we can make plan 1 work, or if plan 3 that kindergarten still attends because there is just no way my 5 year old is going to want to learn at home, or with DH and I both working full time that we can make that happen. Just trying to get him to sit down and read a book with me this summer is a STRUGGLE. He will ride a bus and they will require masks on the bus, but not in classrooms.
Plan 1- Full days everyday with face to face traditional learning. We will implement social distancing when at all possible, increased cleaning/disinfecting expectations, increased hygiene and hand washing during the day, multiple entrances based on grade level, limited interactions during the day, limited visitors to buildings and the option for families to provide their own personal face coverings for their children if inclined. All learning will be mandatory and grading will occur.
Plan 2- For Families that do not feel comfortable sending their children to school or for health reasons. The Midland School District will provide an online option for those families. Devices will be provided to students. All learning will be mandatory and grading will occur. Please contact your building administrator if this need arises for your family.
Plan 3- If the situation arises where the MS/HS is not able to meet face to face, we would move into a hybrid model. Some classes and or students will meet face to face at the school. Other students would be involved with Remote Learning at home through Google Classroom and teacher access. All Learning will be mandatory and grading will occur.
Plan 4- Remote Learning at home for all students K-12. Elementary students will receive a device to use at home and will use the online platform of SEESAW with their teachers. All learning will be mandatory and grading will occur. Middle School and High School will have a personal device and will use Google Classroom to interact with their teachers. All Learning will be mandatory and grading will occur.
pomelo / 5573 posts
I’m in Ontario, and the short story is - we don’t know. The schools have all been directed to make three plans - one for full time in class leaning, one for part time, and one for full virtual. I guess when we get closer to the start of school (after Labour Day here) then they’ll decide, region by region, depending on what case counts look like. People are upset, though, and are pushing for the support and funding to go with full time in-person learning.
I’m torn - I don’t want to put teachers in danger, but I really don’t know what I’ll do, trying to work full time from home with a 4 and 6 year old, if they go to part time or fully virtual. It’s been hard enough for the past four months and my job is increasingly going from “these are unusual times, let’s just get through it” to “this is how things are now, let’s get back to normal”.
GOLD / eggplant / 11517 posts
Our school board is meeting tonight (virtually, of course) to make their recommendations.
The options presented in the parent survey last week were: full virtual, alternating weeks (attend one week, virtual learning the next week), alternating days (half attend M/T, other half W/Th, everyone virtual Friday), or alternating times (half attend AM, half attend PM).
The moms I've talked to are mostly pushing for half days so the kids can have daily consistency and only wear masks a few hours a day.
We really should all be virtual to protect teachers, or give them full PPE as if they were in a covid hospital unit. Kids can't adhere to mask and social distance guidelines at this time. It will take a lot of practice for them.
pomegranate / 3272 posts
We're in the western suburbs of Chicago. Schools all around us are starting to come out with their plans. They have all varied with a lot of what has been stated above. We tend to be one of the wait and see what others are doing so I was surprised when our district decided that for k-5, we're going full day. 6th through HS are going to a hybrid schedule. Kids will wear masks all day. They will still have all of the specials (art, music, gym) but I don't think they know how those will look yet. And I'm not sure how lunch will work. I think they're planning on still having it in the cafeteria but keeping under the 50 people in a room rule. I really hope that doesn't mean some kids have lunch at like 9:30 or something crazy. I'd rather just have them eat in their rooms at that rate. While I haven't fully read the entire document, I don't think it spells out what will happen when someone tests positive at the school. That's my big question. Oh and they also will allow anyone to go 100% virtual if that is their preference. They will also provide their before and after school program. We would normally have used this but I'm hoping not to have to this year. We'll see how flexible DH and my company's continue to be as the year goes on...
clementine / 911 posts
Our school board is voting tonight, but the proposal is to delay the start of school by 2 weeks and then do at least the first quarter entirely virtual. We're in an area with rising cases, and our city just went back into shut down mode this weekend. Most parents are supportive of this model. But to be honest, virtual learning was really hard on us this spring and not good for my daughter's emotional/mental health. I was fully expecting they would choose some sort of hybrid attendance model, so it surprised/disappointed me when this was announced. I do understand the health and safety reasons behind the decision, just not looking forward to the epic emotional breakdowns that virtual learning caused this spring. We had to fully pull out of all Zoom sessions because we just couldn't handle it. Lots of parents in our area are starting to look for small virtual learning "pods", where small groups of 4-5 students have a full-time tutor who coordinates the virtual learning, and I think that model may be best for us. One because it's next to impossible to sit in on live instruction ourselves while working, even though we're home, because we have to be in meetings/calls of our own. And two, she'd at least be getting some limited in-person contact. I worry she won't feel bonded to a new teacher that she's never met in person. (She's entering kindergarten, so on the younger end of the spectrum - She can't do much virtual learning unassisted at this point.)
grapefruit / 4361 posts
@bhbee: basically the same as what she said.
Arizona.
Our governor has mandated we offer a 5 day, full-time option. This is being interpreted a little differently by some districts, but most are taking it at face value.
So, our 2 districts are offering 100% in person or 100% online.
They've said, multiple times, that physical distancing probably won't be possible.
They are relying on mask wearing, cohorting in elementary and middle school, and more cleaning (to be seen if they follow through.)
I have a school of 650 students, my husband works at a school with 2100. From June surveys, one fourth plan to stay home.
We start online aug 10 and in person aug 17. That's the plan for most schools here.
persimmon / 1495 posts
@DillonLion: That's interesting that most moms are in favor of half days. Are they all stay-at-home parents? I can't imagine having to juggle half days of school with my work schedule. Or even weeks on and off. I'd rather have a consistent set of days per week where DS was in school.
coconut / 8472 posts
In my state school districts go by county. I live in a large county with many schools. They gave the parents the choice to have full instruction 5 days a week, elearning (synchronous/teaching led), or virtual learning (asynchronous/parent or student led). We had to put in our selection by this Friday.
We have decided to go with the full in person instruction, which I hopefully won't regret. We just moved here this spring and we are worried about DS starting at a new school and having it all be elearning. We also can't function with our jobs while we have kids at home. We both have too much going on during the day. We were terrible at remembering which days to go to the zoom meetings and just stopped doing any school work. The teachers kept moving things around and we had both kids home (3 and 6) and honestly they mostly watched their tablets all the time, which wasn't good for anyone.
My parents think schools aren't even going to open. That there are too many what ifs. What if a kid is infected, who has to quarantine? All the kids in the class plus their families? All the kids in the school? What happens if a teacher is exposed and can't come to work, will there be any subs? We just have no idea. My parents have volunteered that if it goes to full time elarning to help or to take DS for a few days at a time, but IDK how that would even work. It's not like I can have him go live a half hour away for the entire school year, lol.
persimmon / 1390 posts
I’m in NY, where the governor will announce in the first week of August how school can be held. I wish there were going to be options like most of you have mentioned but I simply don’t see that happening in our district, even if it happens elsewhere. I’m not really thinking about the fall yet because we won’t know anything for almost a month.
GOLD / eggplant / 11517 posts
Our district just released plans:
Half go Tues/Thurs, other half go Wed/Fri. Mondays are a combo of prep time for teachers, grade level, extra support, etc.
That will stay in place as long as there's no surge in cases.
nectarine / 2641 posts
We got an if/then draft plan today.
If we are in phase 1, kids go to school either MT or ThF, full day, but half size classes (our k-2 class sizes are usually about 20, so this makes them pretty small). No groups over 15. Middle and high schoolers in masks. No movement in the building if possible.
Stage 2 (current stage): all kids every day, but shortened and staggered. K-2 would go 825-2. Masks for middle and high school.
(We also have a local ordinance mandating masks for ages 12+, so teachers would be in masks in any scenario).
These options all come with 100% virtual options for any family that chooses. If we move to phase 3 (not likely any time soon), we’d have to petition for on-line.
I’m strongly considering keeping kiddos home because I can (my work is largely shut down) and not everyone can. I’m interested in what virtual learning looks like—I’m not interested in hours in front of a screen for my K and 2nd graders, so I’d pull them entirely if that’s the case. But hoping not to (our spring learning was fine for that, so I’m hopeful this would be similar). I have a 1 year old, too, so looking at partnering with another family with a K and 2nd grader and a 2 year old. I’m a former teacher, so I’d handle the four older kiddos and she’d keep the babies. We’d do about 3 hours a day. I mourn the loss of a “regular” kindergarten experience for my middle kiddo, but both my boys think this is a great plan, so I may just need to buckle down and sell it!
nectarine / 2210 posts
We’re at a private pk-8 school, so they have more ability to do things differently than you’d see at a public school. These are the tentative plans they’ve sent.
Phase 1: All remote learning
Phase 2: (Where we are now.) Full days, 5 days a week. They’ve added an extra class to grades 1 through 8 to keep class size down. Students will stay with their “class family” throughout the day and teachers will change classes. Kids will need to have masks (of course with specific colors to match the uniforms) but they haven’t finalized when they’d be required to wear. (Although our Governor did just require masks in public for ages 8 and up, so that will likely be a factor.) No drinking fountains open (water bottles are required). And likely no buses.
Final details haven’t been announced yet but given classes start in 4 weeks, there’s not a lot of time left.
persimmon / 1390 posts
We just got a survey from our school yesterday and I was disappointed to ascertain they aren’t considering giving the option to choose at this point. I’m going to write to the superintendent. One of the potential modes of going back was half day which makes no sense—you’re all still there together anyway.
I did want to say we know some teachers doing summer school in person with lower elementary students and they have said the students are really good about keeping masks on so that’s encouraging.
kiwi / 705 posts
We’re in the Bay Area. Public schools in my town are doing every other week in-person with independent learning during the off week. Public schools in the town our school is in are doing half days so elementary kids will be on AM track or PM track. Both towns are offering 100% virtual for anyone who wants it.
Our small private school is opening full time with some changes. 14 person max class sizes, stable cohorts with no mixing, no parents/visitors on campus, masks at drop off and pickup but not in the classroom for the students, teachers wear face shields, dedicated seats and school supplies, class outside as much as possible, temperature checks at the door, etc. They are not practicing social distancing or refraining from touching within the stable cohorts. They are also offering 100% virtual for anyone who wants it.
We just found out our school’s plan yesterday and I feel really good about it. They’re doing everything possible to keep the kids safe while also paying attention to the kid’s social and emotional needs.
nectarine / 2047 posts
@DillonLion: I work in a hospital and if we are not in the covid unit, we don’t get any PPE other than a regular mask. Since we went to universal masking at the hospital I work at, there hasn’t been a single employee who has contracted Covid. And it is impossible to practice social distancing as a health care provider. Other essential workers don’t get full PPE either, like people working at target etc. I don’t think it’s feasible to have teachers in full PPE every day.
nectarine / 2400 posts
@peaches1038: I work in a big box pharmacy and we have direct pt contact (health screenings vaccines etc) and all we have are surgical masks and face shields
kiwi / 662 posts
@Becky: I've just been following along as my kiddo is too young for regular school right now, but it seems like the benefit of half days could be that kiddos are within the confined classroom space for less time per day, and time within an infected space with re-circulated air is a factor for covid exposure. So, if the kids are only there for half days, they're less exposed in case someone was asymptomatic. Just a thought!
honeydew / 7235 posts
We're in MA. We got a tentative idea a month or so ago (3 plans, full time, hybrid, full virtual) and we won't find out until August 12th about the plan for the Fall. We've been filling out surveys online, and they have some virtual focus groups coming up.
I don't see how they're going to be able to be in the schools full time with only 10 students. My rising second graders class has 22 in it... and there probably isn't enough extra space in the school to be able to spread them out enough... so that is already leading me to believe we'd be in a hybrid situation, but how many days in & out?? If he was in 3 days, home 2, I could handle that... But if he is only in 2 days, I don't think we'll stay at the public school this year. We've been interviewing with small local private schools that have MUCH smaller ratio's and are able to accommodate the restrictions more easily. Paying so much isn't ideal, but I'm working from home, my husband is in the office, no way I can handle the kids schooling and get my work done. I'm assuming come winter there might be some full remote time happening due to illness, so that's another factor. If we're paying for private and remote anyway, is that what we want?
I feel like my kids are pro-mask wearers at this point. They're in outdoor camp for 3 hours a day and wear their masks all day (except the older one takes it off for swimming, and for snack time)... all the other kids and counselors do, and they all just do it without issues.
blogger / nectarine / 2043 posts
An update from Northern VA - a number of districts around ours have made announcements this week that they will go fully virtual through the end of the year. The deadline for our district parents to select all virtual or 2 days in/2 days out is today, and as of yesterday I think about 60% of the population responded (more opting into in person vs virtual). I have a hunch that before we actually start school on September 8th, we'll end up going fully virtual too, so we'll see.
grapefruit / 4455 posts
We are still on the hybrid plan although nearby districts are fully virtual. We have the option to do 100% remote. I personally would rather not do formal school at all before I’d want to do remote school, if it’s for one semester. I don’t think virtual has really been good for my kids at all, and we have great teachers. (ETA and we have had our almost K kiddo in a summer program as well as our older child in a couple of lessons that continued virtually, so we are all zoomed out. The younger one has made progress with the summer program but it takes a lot of time and energy from us in a way that wouldn’t be possible if the older kid also was in school.)
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