pear / 1809 posts
I like the idea of year round schooling, so there isn't such a large break over summer. I think kids forget some of what they learned over summer, and as a parent, I have to figure out a way to keep them busy all summer long. I think shorter, more frequent breaks are more manageable. And you can take family vacations at a different time of year than just summer.
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@catomd00: camp will still be cheaper than full time daycare!
GOLD / wonderful coffee bean / 18478 posts
I like the idea, in theory, but only we have so many months of nice weather so I would want the kids to be in summer camp! They're outside all day and I think it's great.
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
@Autumnmama79: so correct! When my parents weren't sending me to academically focused camps they made sure I read the suggested reading lists provided by the school district and my dad especially always had some math assignment I could complete or at-home-science-experiments to complete with him.
@catomd00: I'm not quite in the world of camp costs just yet. We're planning to stair step three kiddos so I can definitely see how cost would be a hindrance to sending multiple kids to camp.
pear / 1586 posts
As a few others have already mentioned (@KayKay: @Mrs. Lion:), I live in an area with year-round schools and there are "track-out" camps and the like to help working parents with the childcare burden. Accounts vary but I've also heard that year-round schools are more helpful for low-SES kids who may experience food insecurity or the summer "brain drain" bc the breaks from school are shorter in duration. Personally, I won't send my child(ren) to a year-round school bc I work in academia and the summers are much slower, so I want to be able to take advantage of that flexibility.
pomegranate / 3845 posts
As a ft wohm, I think finding care for 3m straight would be easier than 3 weeks 4x per year, especially if the colleges weren't on a similar schedule (thinking college student summer nanny!)
grapefruit / 4819 posts
England essentially does year round school and I think it is AMAZING! We are basically on a six weeks on, one week off, six weeks on, two weeks off, and repeat schedule until summer break, which is a six week holiday. It's perfect. We have three terms (autumn, spring, and summer) and each term has a one week half term break, which we're currently on right now, and then a two week break at the end of the term. The term ends at Christmas and Easter so the six week schedule doesn't always work out exactly, but it's pretty close.
School starts in early September, half term break is late October, term break at Christmas. Resumes in January with half term in Feb, and term break at Easter. Final term starts after Easter with half term in May and school ending in mid-July for the six week summer holidays.
As a former teacher from the US, having taught in a traditional calendar school, and a school with the shortened summer and more frequent breaks, albeit not quite year round, I can say with certainty I preferred the more frequent breaks, rather than longer breaks! Going from January until June with only one week for spring break is absolute hell for the teachers and the kids. And the amount kids lose over a three month summer holiday is appalling. We spent most of the first quarter just catching up on what they should have learned the year before - no thank you.
I've always been a massive fan of this school schedule as I think it prevents burn out from the kids and the staff as you always know you're only a few weeks from a break - and not just a three day weekend break, but a proper, recharge your batteries kind of break!
wonderful clementine / 24134 posts
@Ree723: That sounds like a PERFECT schedule. Just long enough of a break throughout the year to do a vacation or something but still have a decent break over summer.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
I love the idea of year round school. In this day and age, the summer break is obsolete and I think if we keep doing more of the same, American kids are going to continue to lag behind students in other countries.
Summer isn't the only game in town, there are a ton of options for kids in the winter, such as ski school, which I think has already been mentioned in this thread.
coconut / 8472 posts
@Ree723: I'm not sure where you went to school/taught but we have a TON of breaks between January and June.
Jan - 2.5 Days
February - 1 week plus a 1/2 day
March - 2 days
April - 1 week plus a 1/2 day
May - 2.5 days
June - 1/2 day then school ends 6/16
As for the original question, I'm not big on year round school where I currently live. As others have pointed out in the NE we only get nice weather a few months of the year. It would be a shame to have kids stuck in a classroom while it's hot and sunny out. Plus even if there were camps that would sprint up to fill the void they'd have to be completely indoor November - April.
apricot / 343 posts
This is how Australian schools are. School starts in the end of January, the average term is 10 weeks with 2 weeks holiday. There are 4 terms, with 6 weeks break over December/ January (our summer).
I've always thought it worked great!
grapefruit / 4819 posts
@T.H.O.U.: It is seriously amazing but the only downside is that because every area follows pretty much the exact same schedule, prices for flights and activities during school holidays skyrocket. But in the grand scheme of things, I'll take it!
@ShootingStar: I taught in Chicago Public Schools - don't get me wrong, we had lots of three day weekends, and a four day weekend at Lincoln's birthday/President's Day, but in terms of any kind of proper break, it was a one week spring break in March or early April, and that was it. I finished teaching there in 2011 so things may have changed a bit, but not much!
nectarine / 2210 posts
The school I went to was more a a pilot program and from what I remember was the only year round school in the district. But the school itself did provide camps, especially since different classes had different schedules so the school was still open,, although I have no idea how much it cost.
As for weather this was I. Southern California so that was never really an issue.
cantaloupe / 6669 posts
@erinpye: This exactly! As a SAHM, I am really looking forward to those leisurely summers, creating memories with LO(s). And of course, the rite of passage: the big sigh of relief sending them back in the fall!
nectarine / 2951 posts
@Autumnmama79: I agree with you. My son isn't in school yet, but I think kids need extended down time to explore and relax. The school year has become so scheduled and hectic...having a long summer break is beneficial.
I also am a teacher and by the end of June both teachers and students are just done. Everyone benefits from having the summer to recharge.
In the NE, schools would have the daunting expense of having to install A/C in schools to endure the summer heat. Districts would have to spend money in professional development and scheduling to adjust curriculum to these 9 week sessions-3 weeks off. I also wonder how badly the camp industry would suffer if the academic schedule changed.
persimmon / 1322 posts
Also from the PNW, and I also wouldn't want to lose our summer break when the weather is nice. We're outside year round, but there's something special about getting out in the sunshine.
Also, as others have mentioned, not all families can afford to send kids to camp for every break.
grapefruit / 4291 posts
@iheartleopardprint: I'm in New Zealand and we do a pretty similar schedule. Four terms of ten weeks, two weeks off in between terms then six-ish weeks of summer holidays in December / January.
watermelon / 14467 posts
My last three years of high school were on a year-round schedule and I loved it! We started school the first week of August, got two weeks off in October, two weeks in December/January, two weeks in March, and were out for six weeks in June/July. It was great! They have moved back to a more traditional schedule now.
nectarine / 2243 posts
What do people think about actually having more school days? I don't have school age children yet so I'm just throwing this out there (and interested to hear from international bees). We lag so far behind other countries. And yet our kids are sitting at a desk 10-15 days less than those countries. Why?
eggplant / 11408 posts
If there were an option here for year round school, I would be ALL for it. As it is, our kids really only get 10 weeks, if that, in the summer. They go until June 25 or so and start right up after Labor Day. And while I agree that summer can be for making memories, in the poorer parts of the city, summer is when a lot of kids go hungry (no free lunch) and get in trouble ( nothing to do if they can't afford camp/parents work). I would love 6 weeks off for the summer and lots of extra outside recess time during the day. Then I think it would be great!
eggplant / 11408 posts
@Littlebit7: I am not sure. I think more school days wouldn't be bad, but again, I don't want my child to spend them all at a desk. More school days for more flexibility in scheduling, outside time, etc? Great. More strictly desk time? No.
wonderful grape / 20453 posts
Really, I think work should adopt a school schedule so we can have Summer's off but really...no idea what we'll do in the summer. 80% of parents work. Summer's will be so stressful to find good care
nectarine / 2243 posts
@LovelyPlum: agree! I think you articulated what I was thinking. Instead of a rat race to meet standards and tests in a finite period of time,why not go to school a few more days and allow for PE or music to be worked in (things that are cut because of time constraints and such an emphasis on testing).
pomelo / 5628 posts
Our district had year round for a whirl so I went to school both ways. Pros: vacations at non-peak times for Disneyland, etc., lots of frewuent breaks, breaks don't get too long. Cons: starting the school year in July. Not having the same schedule as other districts nearby.
I really liked it as a student and my mom and sister both liked teaching in it. It'll you would need to rely on outside care I see some challenges, but other than that it's kinda cool.
eggplant / 11716 posts
@Littlebit7: the US does not have fewer days than other countries. Although it varies by state, the US is in the middle. Finland has far fewer instructional hours. Texas, where I used to work, had the highest number of hours in the world. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/02/school-days-how-the-u-s-compares-with-other-countries/
eggplant / 11716 posts
As an educator, I think realistically the American public does not want to pay for additional days and hours to keep schools open and keep paying teachers. I just don't see our society suddenly saying, yes let's raise all our property taxes and federal taxes to pay teachers their daily rate for another month or two each year--not to mention all the electricity, maintenance, other staffing.
Not happening.
eggplant / 11716 posts
Having said all that, I would be willing to work more days for more pay. I could make an additional 9000/yr from working an additional 6 weeks.
grape / 81 posts
Living in Canada I have to say I really enjoyed having the summers off! It was our time to learn about nature and play outside. We often went up north to cottages etc... I wouldn't want more time off in the winter, we were already gong stir crazy over Christmas break.
grapefruit / 4819 posts
@Anagram: This may have just been a Chicago thing, (I don't think so though), but as a teacher, we make an annual salary that most people choose to have paid over twelve months. You can choose to have it paid over the nine months you're working but it's still the same salary - we don't make a day rate. Regardless though, if the number of teaching days stays the same but is divided up better throughout the year, which seems to be the point of this thread, there would be no increase in costs. Here in England, we are in school for 190 days per year, similar to the US, it's just divided up into six week chunks throughout the year.
Also, in the US (and here I'd assume), school buildings are open year round (except public holidays) as administrators, secretaries, and engineers are there all year. My mom was an Asst Principal for years and she didn't get summers off etc - so things like electricity costs etc would be a nonfactor as they're used anyway,
eggplant / 11716 posts
@Ree723: i was responding to pps that were talking about more days innthe school year, saying the US had fewer fays than other countries. I've worked in 4 districts in Texas and NJ and we had a daily rate of pay in every district...even though we are salaried, there's a daily rate because districts have to know that for when a teacher is docked their pay.
Also in all the schools I've worked, they kept a.c. and lights on in the front office and off in the rest of the school. Teachers arent allowed to go work on classrooms until the school is reopened and a.c. is on the week before school starts. I've actually never heard of a school cooling and lighting a while school for just the front office staff. Maybe its only a Chicago thing.
persimmon / 1114 posts
As a teacher, I love the notion of year round school because I definitely see the summer slide. Ideally I would love it to be the same number of instructional days, just "chunked" differently. However, I do see there being additional costs associated with this. For example, the elementary school I used to work at in NJ has no air conditioning. It was terrible just in June and September. Something would have to be done for the summer months. And since school budgets are local, I am not sure how you could ensure things like that (and additional compensation if needed) are passed.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@Anagram: I agree, but I think the issue (at least where I live) is more funding the pension plan, than it is the current operating costs. If the pension were to be eliminated, we could absoultely fund an increased school year and make necessary upgrades to the buildings to support it. We say we want to invest in the kids, but in the end, we don't.
I know this is a hot topic, but when teachers are making between 90-120 per year, just as people are in the private sector with no pension, it's hard to argue that pensions should be maintained as they are.
blogger / grapefruit / 4836 posts
@looch: 90-120 per year??? Where is this? I top out at like 40 if I teach in NC my entire carreer. And I am forced to contribute 6% of that directly into the pension.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@Mrs. Lion: I don't want to give the exact location for security, but it's outside the NYC area.
Don't get too excited though, COL is quite high, which makes up for the differences. But the point is, if a teachers salary is the same as what it is in the private sector where there are no pensions and you have to save for it all on your own, does the pension for teachers make sense any more? But, not the point of this thread.
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@Mrs. Lion: haha I was going to ask the same! Holy shit! I thought teachers always said they get paid peanuts.
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@looch: I'm guessing this is a private school where the tuition is more than my pay?
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
@regberadaisy: It's public information. You can look it up for your town too. I can see what every police officer, fire fighter, public school teacher and municipal worker makes every year. I was surprised when I looked at it too, because I always thought it was not competitive with the private sector (at least in my area).
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