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Entering Kindergarten Sept 2016: Moms Chat

  1. 808love

    pomelo / 5866 posts

    @MamaG: What about asking LO to go to the bathroom independently both before recess and after lunch? Then check in and reward if LO followed directions.
    I also find with the different morning routine, LO will forget to go to the bathroom in the morning. Sometimes I realize it right as we walk out the door and other times it is right as we get to school. I've always followed an approximate time schedule (630, 930 and 1230). I think that helped.

    LO doesn't want to go number 2 at school. She says she doesn't want to leave marks. I told her she can flush twice. Flush. Wait for the noise to stop (bowl to fill) then flush again and it will go away on the second try.

  2. lamariniere

    pineapple / 12566 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: it's definitely intense! My son is also one of the youngest in his class, but he has only been in school 1.5 weeks, so I don't know if it makes a difference. We have had homework every day since the 3rd day, but it's more interesting than just work sheets, so that's good. We had a meeting with the teacher Monday and she stressed that homework shouldn't be longer than one minute/year, so 5 minutes, and if it's not done within that time, it's no big deal. We found out they don't get grades this year. Just two assessments that say whether or not they have acquired a skill, could progress on it or have not acquired the skill. I like that the teacher spent a lot of time talking about her method for teaching reading and that it's multi-tiered so the ones who don't know how to read start at a comfortable pace but she includes more challenging aspects for kids who are already reading.

    She also said that 10 out of the 25 kids are trilingual (my son included) and I thought that was so cool! I'm really curious which other languages the kids speak. I was happy that my son was placed in the German mother tongue class.

  3. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    I was just thinking that it did seem like a lot of worksheets. Right now it is tracing and while my son can form all the letters and numbers, he can't do them all consistently the same, which I kind of understand to be the point of the worksheets. He also does the typical slanted writing, so I actually don't mind the practice and having him get into the habit of doing the work that is assigned to him even though he can already do it. Right now it's not the content that is important, it's the habits and the functions. This is the basis for being able to do more complicated things and I am okay with it.

    I was an an early reader ( I was reading at the age of 3) but my son who is almost 6 can barely do the two letter sight words. On the other hand he can add and subtract in his head, so he has his strenghts and weaknesses as does every other kid in the class. Since he's older, we're not having any of the separation or attention issues, so I am validated in my decision to hold him back.

    @MamaG: do you think your daughter might be gifted? Maybe that's something that is at play and you need to consider?

  4. MamaG

    pomelo / 5298 posts

    @looch: I certainly do think that in some aspects she's gifted. She had a really strong daycare/preschool/pre-K foundation that I realize not every child gets. But so many things come easy to her. We have a parent teacher conference the first week of October and I intend to talk to the teacher about differentiation and what opportunities we have for testing. I know from a maturity perspective she's not necessarily advanced, but I want to keep her motivated and challenged. I also need help navigating our options for next year. If she tests as gifted, I'll need to decide if we want to pursue a gifted course or if we want to pursue a second language. She'll have the ability to apply for Spanish Immersion for 1st grade and beyond. I'm not sure which will be the better option or if doing both is an option.

  5. Maysprout

    grapefruit / 4800 posts

    We're about a week and a half in and so far so good. The only problem is poor little girls exhaustion. Much earlier bedtime but it feels like it needs to be even earlier. I'm sure she'll be able to relax more and get into the swing of things, it's had seeing her so tired though and having to spend our short time together with a poor little tired thing.

  6. Mrs. Yoyo

    blogger / pomelo / 5400 posts

    When is everyone having to get their kids up? Our school starts pretty early, 7:45, so we walk down at 7:30, meaning I have to get him up at 6:30. I really hate it, as he could definitely use at least another half-hour of sleep. And since he shares a room with his little brother, it's hard to get him to bed earlier than 8.

  7. lamariniere

    pineapple / 12566 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: we have to leave the house at 8:00 (school starts at 8:25). So far I've been waking him up by 7:15, but he's usually up on his own before that.

  8. 808love

    pomelo / 5866 posts

    6:30-6:45. She has always awakened on her own...until kindergarten.
    ETA- As soon as I posted, LO sauntered in at 6:10am. GUess she is adjusting.

  9. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    School starts at 8:30. Right now I can take her later but when I go back to work it will be 7:45. She naturally gets up around 6:15 so it works.

  10. MamaG

    pomelo / 5298 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: School starts at 7:50, I like to leave the house at 7:30. That means a 6:30 wakeup for C. I think she'd prefer to sleep at least 15-20 minutes longer based on when she normally wakes on the weekend, but that just doesn't allow enough time to do everything she needs to at the pace she likes to move.

  11. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    I've been waking my son up at 6:30, he needs some time to get his grumpiness out. Then we leave at 8 to be at school between 8:45 and 9.

  12. Pancakes

    nectarine / 2180 posts

    I have to wake her up around 7:15 to be ready to leave the house by 8:30-8:35. She is not a morning person This morning I woke her up at 7:25 and it took me until 7:50 to successfully get her out of bed, Argh!

  13. Maysprout

    grapefruit / 4800 posts

    Her bus comes at 7 am so she's up by 615. It's been a bit tough on her waking up earlier than she's used to combined with just tiredness from something new.

  14. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    Oh I have another question!

    Are the kinder classrooms set up with smart boards? If so, is anyone concerned with all the screen time?

  15. Mrs. Yoyo

    blogger / pomelo / 5400 posts

    @looch: I think ours have them? I never really thought of that as screen time per se.

    So my son came home with a giant 4-page worksheet with at least 12 objects on each page. Apparently the kids were supposed to go around the classroom and find the objects, which were labeled, and then write the name. My son found all of them but wrote like 3 of the names, so of course there was a note at top that said he hadn't followed the directions.

    That seems like a lot for a kid to do! I mean, it's a big effort for him to write each new word, and now he's supposed to do like 50 at a time? I am starting to wonder whether I made a mistake in not holding him back.

  16. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: I'll be honest, that surprises me that he got a note on the top of the page about following directions...it seems kind of short sighted on the teacher's part. Did she ask if he understood what to do, did he run out of time, was he helping other kids with their work, etc? I wonder if it's a time management problem (says the adult with one of those, lol).

  17. lamariniere

    pineapple / 12566 posts

    @looch: what's a smart board? Ours has a projector and a screen, which seems like a more modern version of the overhead projector my teachers used. They also have a set of laptops for the class. But I'm not worried about screen time.

    @Mrs. Yoyo: that seems like a lot if your kid doesn't know how to read/write (and mine definitely doesn't!). Our teacher stressed during the conference this week that it is completely normal for kids not to know how to read or write when they start, so I would be very surprised to see something like what you are describing. Have they stated what the expectations are for new kindergarteners?

  18. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    @lamariniere: A smartboard is basically a big whiteboard, with tech components. My son thinks it's a giant ipad.

  19. lamariniere

    pineapple / 12566 posts

    @looch: hmm. Then we definitely don't have one, but it sounds cool!

  20. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    @looch: yes. Our class has like a 70" screen that's touch.



  21. Mrs. Yoyo

    blogger / pomelo / 5400 posts

    @looch: He's already come home with notes on his weekly report both times so far that say he has to work on time management. And I am sure he does. But what's the point if he's being given work that he never has a hope of completing in the first place?

    It struck me that beyond a stray smiley face or two I'm seeing very little positive reinforcement. I kind of want to know whether my kid is doing anything well!

  22. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: wow! That's a big task. Did the note mean he didn't follow directions because he didn't write all the names or he wasn't staying on task while working?

  23. Mrs. Yoyo

    blogger / pomelo / 5400 posts

    @T.H.O.U.: It just said "He was supposed to write the names," so I interpret that to mean he didn't finish. I also think she sent the wrong paper home, because she noted that his name wasn't on it, and the writing that is on it is neater than his usually is.

  24. MamaG

    pomelo / 5298 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: That feels like a lot for the start of the school year. We tend to get completed work sent home in chunks rather than daily. And nothing has been that involved so far. The worksheets tend to be more math based. Or letter / word identification. Like yellow is the color they are working on this week. They got a page that has a song about yellow and she circled the word every time it appeared in the song with a yellow crayon. Or they have math based ones where on the left there is a group of objects and to the right is a bar of squares. They are supposed to color in the number of squares that matches the number of objects.

    For the objects in the room, are they all labeled with the name? Like if a chair is one of them, did the chair have the label where the child is to copy the word? Or were they expected to know the spelling and write it? Either way, it feels like too much all at once so early in the year.

  25. MamaG

    pomelo / 5298 posts

    @looch: Yes, we have a smart board. I'm not sure how much they use it. We do virtually no screen time at home that is for entertainment. She gets educational youtube videos while DH makes dinner during the week. And that's it. I know they watch videos at school too, but they are edu-tainment. I'm not sure how much of the day is spent in this manner, but from her discussion it doesn't seem like it's much.

  26. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: Maybe it's an assessment, to see where he is in terms of those skills? I also read the other post where you're not sure if it is even your son's paper...that would raise my suspicions...what's going on that they can't keep organized?

    My son brought home a paper today, he clearly had mistakes on it but he had a star on it. I don't know if he even notices, to be honest.

    As far as the smart board, it's on the entire day, from what I can tell. I am going to ask when we have an open house in October. My son's been complaining that his eyes are really itchy and that his eyes are tired...he's also having the twitch that he gets when he's tired. I am putting him to bed early, but he's having trouble falling asleep so I am sure that's part of the issue.

  27. Pancakes

    nectarine / 2180 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: That does seem like a lot. I would be surprised if most kids completed something like that. And notes home about coloring in the lines? Is this her first year teaching? I ask because her expectations do not seem totally appropriate. If you haven't already I would certainly send her an email to express my concerns. You don't want your son to be discouraged this early on!

    @MamaG: DD is also getting the "edu-tainment." I asked her how often they watched a video and she said 1-3 videos per day! She said something about how they're supposed to be singing and dancing along or something, but I still give the side-eye to a video every day.

    Is the second week of school too early to send an email checking in with the teacher? I'm hearing a lot about how noisy her class is, how they have to put their heads down because their class won't stop talking, now these videos...I know it's early and the kids are just getting used to be in school, and I don't want to tell her how to do her job...I don't know if there is a way to voice my concerns without being THAT parent. Maybe it would be better just to do a general check-in to see how things are going and then voice specific concerns at back-to-school night in a couple of weeks? We don't have scheduled conferences until the end of the quarter, in 7 weeks.

  28. Mrs. Yoyo

    blogger / pomelo / 5400 posts

    @Pancakes: Ha, I share your fears over being THAT mom. And we don't have any scheduled conferences that I know of!

  29. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    @Pancakes: so while we were at open house some of the kids put on a "video". It was maybe 2 minutes long and went along with the lesson. They were learning M sounds so it was some weird characters dancing saying Mmmm. Think Sesame Street style songs. The kids knew it and were jumping around doing the movements the characters were doing. So I think a video clip might be a more appropriate term and they may not be sitting idle watching.

  30. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    @Pancakes: also, we did get a note home about her not following the rules. I brought it up to the teacher in a way where I asked what was the classroom management styles she was using and what were the rules. Then we talked specifically about my daughters behaior.

  31. tinyperson

    pomegranate / 3858 posts

    @T.H.O.U.: that sounds like storybots. They're really cute. My uncle is a kinder music teacher and he uses them in his classes.

    ETA: there's a smart board in her class and it sounds like they watch stuff, but hard to get a grasp on what, when and how often...

  32. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    @tinyperson: my lo loves story bots. Its like that but is actually a part of the Wonders reading curriculum they are using. So the video goes along with the book they read and the worksheets they do.

  33. Mrs. Yoyo

    blogger / pomelo / 5400 posts

    We got a nastygram about my son not being able to keep up during whole-group handwriting assignments and asking us to PLEASE practice at home.

    I'm annoyed. We DO practice. And while I know he's weaker than other kids in handwriting, I've also seen marked improvement lately. I don't know if he just feels rushed at school or what, but when I sit down with him, he can do his letters.

    I am frustrated. I am trying to walk a fine line here. I think he feels a lot of pressure and I don't want to add to it and make him hate the process. I also wish she would tell me things he's doing right, because I've been feeling like an utter failure as a parent because my barely-5-year-old boy cannot write fluently already.

  34. T.H.O.U.

    wonderful clementine / 24134 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: wow.

    Just curious what are the "group" lessons?

  35. 808love

    pomelo / 5866 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: Schedule a conference and tell the teacher that. I am sure you will get some useful feedback and get to clarify your perspective. I think you have valid concerns.

    Whole group means the whole class doing the activity as opposed small group or one-on-one. Kids can behave or produce work very differently when not in a small group situation.

  36. Mamaof2

    squash / 13208 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: I would ask the teacher if they have a writing specialist there that can help him - explain that you are helping at home but maybe he needs extra help at school.

    Our school has reading and writing specialists that help the kids that are a little behind.

  37. Mrs. Yoyo

    blogger / pomelo / 5400 posts

    @808love: Yes, I think that will probably be a next step.
    @Mamaof2: I'll check. And I'm not opposed to OT if he needs it. I guess I'm still just a little gobsmacked that this is what's expected right out of the gate. If so, the K readiness lists are total BS.

  38. MamaG

    pomelo / 5298 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: do you know what sort of writing they are doing? We are still doing letters and sight words. They have two letters a week and two sight words. N and f are our letters and they work on writing them upper and lower case as well as identifying them in print worksheets.

    The expectations on your son sound much higher.

  39. Mamaof2

    squash / 13208 posts

    @Mrs. Yoyo: it does seem like a lot to expect so early on

    My DD is cutting and pasting right now





  40. Baby Boy Mom

    pomegranate / 3983 posts

    We are about 10 days into the school year, and it is a lot to get used to! LO has been just exhausted, and acting like a crazy man in the afternoons. We keep moving up bedtime but today I realized I need to move up dinner, so the kids ate at 4:30! Thankfully that seemed to help the situation, but I need to figure out how to make everything work out because that is a tight window, and as it is I am making everyone's breakfast and lunches after they go to bed. We have our meet the teacher later this week finally, and I can't wait to get some answers. They have had a ton of homework (like 30 minutes), which is way too much IMO. On a positive note, LO seems happy and is enjoying himself.

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