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  1. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @Beebug: yay for belly sleep! and nice work C getting back onto her back!

    I think J will really sleep better in the crib in this position... we also do the sleep sack and I wondered if he couldn't roll belly to back as well in it - i guess he'll figure it out eventually.

  2. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @hellobeeboston: yup! We are now using it for every nap and at night time. It does worry me a bit because he likes to put it up by his face, but it's a super thin A&A blanket and I know he's capable of moving it if he needs to. I don't know if it's worth it to get the actual A&A security blankets that they make--if those are thinner or smaller somehow?

    As for scooting around the crib, L does that also--and he somehow gets his legs out of the crib even in a sleep sack! He generally won't wake up when he's in a weird position but if he does i just adjust him. It sounds like it might just be a phase though--like once J figures out how to adjust himself, he'll be able to do it and go back to sleep?

    Night time sleep is still not good here--for some reason, when we went out two nights ago, L was able to go from 7pm to midnight without eating, but when we were home, he woke up at 10pm and would NOT go back to sleep without nursing. But then he only got up once more at 3am, and then up at 7am. So if he's nursing twice, and only once is actually after I go to bed, that's pretty good! I don't know if it's "okay" for him to have a 10/1030pm nurse though--I feel like our pedi would be scolding me and telling me that he shouldn't need to eat then.

  3. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @hilsy85: yeah, you're right - those A+A blankets are probably thin enough... but those security blankets may be good - they're a lot smaller (which i like) less irrational thoughts of strangulation. (ha)

    perhaps L's eating is a comfort thing? i find J's schedule really changes when we're out of the house - the "norm" at home is not what happens when we're out - he's like a different kid.

    your night time eating doesn't sound that bad to me! (even thought STTN would obviously be better) we're in a really similar situation.... bed at 7:30ish, then last week he was waking to eat around 10:30ish -- but I had DH go in to try to get him back to sleep, if I go in he def wants to eat - then a 2:30/3am feeding, then he's up at 7.

    he's not as sick now, so I'm hoping he stops waking at 10:30, and sleeps through to 2:30 or 3 & is just up the one time. we'll see.... i'm just happy for now that he's actually in his crib & not waking up after only 45 minutes.

  4. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @hellobeeboston: ha your comment spurred me to buy an A&A security blanket--it's much smaller and actually thinner, so I'm glad I got it!

    LO has been sleeping for the last hour and a half! And of course, now I actually want him to wakeup--we're going to go visit DH at work. Last night we had two wakeups--it's amazing how refreshed I feel with only 2 wakeups, but the night before last, we had 3, and I was exhausted in the morning.

    How are you ladies doing?

  5. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hellobeeboston: what about a breathable bumper? I haven't really noticed A getting stuck in the slats yet.

    @hilsy85: @hellobeeboston: Which one A+A security blankie did you choose? They are all so cute. I think I want to get one for A now. He likes to grab onto burp cloths and suck on them sometimes.

    @hilsy85: Nighttime sleep isn't great for us either. I was reading on LLL forums the other night and it made me feel a bit better about him waking to nurse so much. It seemed pretty common for the ladies on that forum. And I'm like you, one wake up after I go to sleep is ok, but 2 or 3 is exhausting.

    Sleep is not so great. Seriously, what happened to my baby who slept from 7 pm to 4-5 am?! My DH and I were so spoiled. It's been a bit of struggle to get him down for the night. I nurse him, he falls asleep, wakes up when I try to transfer him. Rock him or nurse him some more, put him down. He'll sleep like an hour and wake up again. He doesn't seem to settle down for the night until 8:30-9 pm. I know he's tired! He rubs his eyes now when he's tired.

    Sometimes we have a 11 pm wake up, and sometimes he makes it to 2 am. Lately, my DH has been soothing him back to sleep at 2 am and I feed him around 4 am. He is sleeping in a bit later than he used to. Yesterday he slept until almost 8 am. And we're getting at least 1 hour naps out of him now. Thank goodness! I'll take 2-3 longer naps over his catnaps any day.

  6. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @hilsy85: oh awesome!! I'm going to get one either later on today or this weekend, I think J will love it.

    @mrskc: sorry to hear about A's sleep! He must just be going through some changes now - hopefully he'll get back to being a good sleeper! I hear you - J slept through for like 8 blissful weeks then that stopped about 2 months ago, i feel like we're finally on the right path to sleep.

    J is sleeping in his crib now! yay! we've had 3 successful FULL nights in the crib (after transferring back to the RnP if too upset) - with one wakeup around 1 or 2am. This morning he started stirring at 6, but stayed asleep until we woke him at 7:30 -- he's usually up on the dot at 7.

    He is sleeping on his belly in the crib and that has totally helped! Right when i put him down on his back he stays that way for an hour or two - then he flips and stays that way.... After the 1am feeding last night I put him on his back & he flipped to his belly about 3 minutes later. He is right up against the side still - but he's not hitting his head & waking up, but his little limbs are sometimes hanging out... he must feel cozier up against the side instead of in the middle.

  7. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hellobeeboston: Yes! It seems like 4 month sleep regression hit and we haven't got back to what it used to be. And yay for a full night in the crib! A has been sleeping in his crib all night for a week now. And one wake up doesn't sound bad at all. Sounds like your nights are improving.

    My little guy still isn't rolling back to belly so I just ordered him another swaddle. He seems to sleep better swaddled so we're going to stick with it for a little longer. Sometimes he does roll onto his sides and sleep like that.

  8. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @mrskc: my good friend was just telling me that she swaddled her boy until he was 8 months old!!

    and yeah - that 4 month sleep regression was not fun! i totally just jinxed my night tonight by writing positive things re: sleep....

  9. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @mrskc: we have this one, in the star pattern: http://www.amazon.com/aden-anais-Security-Blankets-Elephant/dp/B004DCA22M/ref=pd_sim_sbs_ba_2

    Sorry nights are rough for you too--at least you're able to sooth him without always nursing! That seems like it'll help get him closer to STTN.

    @hellobeeboston: aw a belly sleeper! I tried to get LO to sleep on his belly, I thought it might help. But he hated it--he's a side sleeper now!

  10. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @hilsy85: @mrskc: I just got that same security blanket! Going to wash tomorrow and see if he likes it!

  11. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hellobeeboston: ok, glad I'm not the only one swaddling my almost 6 month old!!! We do only swaddle one arm usually, so that's progress, right?

  12. Beebug

    pomegranate / 3917 posts

    Anyone else having random one-off night wakings? I am thinking teething as it just seemed so unlike her, it was a very different cry, and she did not want to leave me.....poor thing!!

    Sleep has been great lately so I cannot complain. Bedtime 7:15pm, wakes 4-5am ish to eat, back to bed until 7-8am. She is talking to herself when we lay her down, then eventually konks out, naptime has been a little more rough....lots of crying still, hmm.

  13. Beebug

    pomegranate / 3917 posts

    Mmmmm k, I have a WWYD question!

    C has been sleeping from bedtime to 4-5am (ish) to eat, then down til morning wake up.

    The last two nights she woke at 11pm (night 1) and 9pm (last night, night 2) crying semi-frantically (unusual cry) and with some CIO wouldn't settle (like she usually would) but the moment we pick her up she passes out on us. Tried letting her settle then go down in the crib, or let her sleep on us for a while (half hour) before putting her back down, both resulted in her waking and a long CIO session (longer than bedtime) before falling back to sleep.

    I'm torn, it's unusual so I feel like she's crying for a reason, but I also don't want to make this a nasty habit, I'm tempted to let it happen a few more days, and go from there, or ???

    Any ideas?

    PS. maybe teething?

  14. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Beebug: could be teething, could be gas? Have you tried gripe water or gas drops at those times? And I"m jealous of your normally one wakeup at night--LO was up FOUR times last night, WTF?

    However, he is again going on a 2 hour nap this morning!! Woo hoo, hopefully this really means that we're getting onto a schedule.

  15. Beebug

    pomegranate / 3917 posts

    Like...are these teeth in the bottom front?

    Looks a little lighter and wider under gums compared to other spots?



  16. Beebug

    pomegranate / 3917 posts

    @hilsy85: I def don't miss all the wakings! To go from so many to one (and now I'm whining about two, lol) she is doing great with sleep. How does one know it's gas, or is it a guess like teething? I will grab some gripe water this aft.

  17. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @Beebug: I'm also jealous of your good sleeper. If you saw my other thread, LO was up 9 pm, 10 pm, 11 pm, 1 am, 3 am, 5 am. Argh! I think he's got gas tho. I would say for C, it could be gas or teething. But I don't know how to tell if there is teeth under the gums or not. But she is just so cute. I want to pinch those cheeks.

    @hilsy85: Yay for a 2 hour nap. The nanny is back this week and she hasn't been able to get DS to nap longer than 40 minutes. I feel like we're taking a step back now. We're also dealing with multiple night wakings. As you saw in my other thread, I think he's got bad gas that's waking him up. Poor little guy.

  18. LuLu Mom

    GOLD / wonderful olive / 19030 posts

    @Beebug: this sounds like teething to me, very similar to what E was doing a few weeks ago and then she had 2 teeth pop in!

  19. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hilsy85: How have naps been going? We had a rough transition back to the nanny during the day, but things started improving again on Sunday. Yesterday he napped almost 3 hours! Night sleep on the other hand is a different story.

    I'm so conflicted as to what to do about sleep in our household. He's a bit ridiculous. Waking up constantly after we put him down between 7-8 pm. He's wakes up almost every hour until 10-11 pm, then wakes around 2:30, 5 am & 6 am.

    For the last week, he's been in our bed. It's been going ok. I feel more rested since we're not up and down all night. I just whip out the boob and he goes right back to sleep. However, I'm not used to sleeping in one position. I'm not sure co-bedding is right for us. Plus, I'm worried since this is ideal time to sleep train, that I'm training him to sleep in our bed and I'm not sure I want a 1-2 yo in our bed. When not in bed with us, he wakes up a lot! And I'm not sure I can do CIO. I need to figure out something that's going to work for all of us. I also hate how dependent we've become on the paci. Maybe I should cut it cold turkey? I also worry about my milk supply. I feel nervous about him sleeping thru negatively affecting my supply, especially since I'm working and will soon have to go full time. Ugh. To sleep train or not sleep train? That is the question I'm running thru in my head all day.

    How is all your LO's sleep going?

  20. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    Then I read posts like this and it makes me want to try out sleep training.

    http://www.babykerf.com/baby-sleep-training/

  21. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @mrskc: I just read Kath's post on sleep training yesterday! she actually inspired me to leave J while he was whimpering/crying at 12:30 last night and he did get himself back to sleep in about 10 minutes.

    what happens when A wakes up? does he scream? do you get him right away or see if he settles down?

    J has been waking up at random times - but I only feed him once. Last night i heard him at 12:30, then again at 3:30 - actually at 3:30 i got up to go get him, went to the bathroom first and by the time i went to his room he was back to sleep... then he was up again at 4:30, and that time he really seemed awake so I fed him. For the last couple weeks though he's up between 1:30-2:30 to eat, then is sleeping - it's so random. I'm OK with one middle of hte night feeding for now - the other times he wakes, I have DH go & soothe him, or we let him cry (as long as he's not completely screaming) for 10 min max. maybe 15.... I'm not sure I could handle the 45 minutes of crying that kath dealt with that first time, but I guess you just do it?

    I, personally, wouldn't want to co-bed because I don't want that to be our normal. Some people are good with that and that's cool --- i would do it as long as you plan on that being the way things are for a while, if not - try to get him to sleep in his crib.

    Also - I wouldn't worry too much about your supply. J slept for 10 hour stretches without waking for 8 weeks (oh i miss those days, i know you do too) and I'm back to work full time, and he's been sleeping in his own room and i haven't had any problems with supply. In fact, I've been making more lately so it seems. I cut down to 2 pumps a day instead of 3 and am making the same amount I did in 3.

  22. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @Beebug: I think it might be teething -- i keep hearing that they are more needy when they are teething, so it seems like she just wants some comfort from you... maybe try a few more nights and see how it goes like you said.

  23. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @mrskc: sorry, one more thing -- is he sleeping on his side at all? I wonder if he'll start sleeping better when he's rolling back to belly? so many people told me that and it turned out to be true (for the most part)....

    i know A is a champ sitter now and they supposedly only work on one physical thing at a time, so maybe he'll do rolling back/belly next!

  24. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hellobeeboston: Usually when he wakes up it's hysterical crying. He just screams and screams even if my DH picks him up. He seems to only want me. I get him, rock him, and he drifts back to sleep. I've been working on putting him back down not fully asleep and that's been going good. The problem is he then proceeds to wake almost every hour. Like he's not transitioning to the next sleep cycle and again it's full on crying. I really can't stand to hear him cry like that. So that last week when he wakes around 10 pm when I go to bed, I've been bringing him to our bed to sleep the rest of the night. He then will just wake briefly to nurse around 2:30 am & 5 am sometimes 12 am. But like you said, if we start co-bedding, I have to be prepared that it might be like this until he's at least 1 and I'm not sure I'm ok with that. I keep going back and forth. Sometimes I feel ok with co-bedding and then with nights like last night where I woke up sore this morning and he was hurting my nips from his lazy latch, I'm not sure I can deal with it. BUT I do enjoy the closeness. So I'm torn and I need to figure it out b/c right now feels like prime time to sleep train.

    He still doesn't roll back to belly but he tries to sleep on his side now. We have stopped swaddling now b/c of that. When I watch him on the monitor, it's like he can't get comfy. He gets on his side and slowly starts falling onto his back and then tries to get on his side again. I try to help him, by putting him on his side in the first place but it doesn't always work well. I feel like he's in some weird transition stage right now. Plus I know wonder week 26 could be starting.

    And that's good to know about your supply! Sorry I wrote a novel there!

  25. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hellobeeboston: OH and we have left him to see if he goes back to sleep on his own and he doesn't. He just gets more and more angry and then really starts wailing.

  26. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @mrskc: oh that is so tough! I can't really let J cry too long when he's really wailing either. but sometimes we do, per DH's insistence, and most times he settles himself down, it's so sad. it makes me stressed... i hear you though, part of me wouldn't mind cuddling with J all night, but I know i won't sleep well. and he did the same thing! he was on his side and would roll back onto his back, couldn't get comfy, and then one night he was on his belly & that has been it since! they seem to be able to get more comfy on their belly.

    why is sleep so tough?! you guys will figure it out soon!

  27. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hellobeeboston: Maybe he is working on back to belly roll and that's why his sleep has been so messed up. I hope he figures it out soon b/c I need more sleep! It seems like things are working well for you! That's great that he just fusses a little and goes back to sleep. Hopefully those random wakings start going away! Have you transitioned fully to the crib?

  28. hellobeeboston

    honeydew / 7235 posts

    @mrskc: I *think* things are going pretty well, I mean, i feel like they could be better, but I'll take it!

    he is fully 100% in the crib for about a week and a half now, actually, maybe it's been 2 weeks. the Rock n Plays are packed up & stored away in the attic!

    and yeah, i bet he's working on it now! especially if he's getting onto his side

  29. Beebug

    pomegranate / 3917 posts

    @hellobeeboston: The needy random wake-ups passed, but of course....onto something new! She isn't waking until 5-5:30am now for a bottle, buuuuuut then won't go back down!

    So......I mean, I can't complain she's sleeping 7/7:30 to 5/5:30, but man that early suuuucks. I am trying to go to bed 9:30 so I can still get close to 8 hours, and just hope it starts to stretch to like....6 am? haha oh how far I've come from all those wakings to this problem.

  30. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @mrskc: our sleep is also pretty crappy at night...L goes to sleep really easily, we can put him down awake and he'll put himself to sleep. And he'll usually stay asleep until at least midnight. BUT then all bets are off. Sometimes, like last night, he'll sleep til 3. BUt then he was up at 4:30 and 5:30. Other nights, he'll be up at 12 and 4, other nights he'll wake up randomly at 9:30/10pm and then sleep til 2 and then wake up again at 4. It's SO inconsistent, which is why I have a hard time with sleep training--if he were consistently waking up at certain times, then I would think maybe it was from habit. But he's so all over the place that it's hard to figure out why he's waking up--if he's really hungry (sometimes he eats a lot, sometimes he barely nurses), whether it's habit, whether he just can't put himself back to sleep. It's just really confusing to me because if he can put himself to sleep from being wide awake, why can't he transition between sleep cycles at night?

    I think part of the problem is also that I'm too quick to go to him...but fussing usually turns into crying, and it wakes up DH so I feel bad. But at some point I need to just give him like 10-20 minutes and see if he can put himself back to sleep. I don't think I could let him go longer than that if he's crying.

    We don't really cosleep...LO doesn't actually sleep that well in bed with us and I sleep terribly. DH is also against co sleeping (I think because his brother had their kids in bed with them til they were 4 so DH is thinking that the same thing could happen with us...). But if it works for you, I dont think there's anything wrong with it...I can see how it could become a tough habit to break, but at the same time you need to get sleep somehow!

    Naps are actually going much better...he puts himself to sleep for each nap now from being wide awake. Some of them are still 40 minutes, but we get a 2 hour nap several times a week, and a bunch of others are around 60-75 minutes. So I'll take it!

    I totally know what you mean about being conflicted on sleep training though...I keep hoping that he'll start to STTN on his own, because I keep hearing that babies do it when they're ready. I also always worry about his weight, so it feels kinda wrong to try to cut out MOTN feedings. I don't know, I"m sure when we see the pedi for our 6 month visit she'll yell at me about him not STTN--shes a big believer in sleep training around 4/5 months!

    Whew, talk about a novel

    @hellobeeboston: that's great that J is sleeping well! L sleeps on his side a lot of the time, but hasn't made it to his belly yet. @Beebug: does she go back to sleep after 5/530? or is she up for the day?

  31. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @mrskc: just read that post...it sounds like it went SO easily for her--I'm jealous!

  32. Beebug

    pomegranate / 3917 posts

    @hilsy85: The last two mornings she hasn't been going back to bed.....!! I know she would if I gave her the soother, so I am struggling between giving it to her, or just being up for the day (for now) and hoping in the coming weeks/months she will transition to later?

  33. Beebug

    pomegranate / 3917 posts

    I am bumping up all the Oct threads, lol.

    I posted a thread about C's new thing waking for her bottle then not going back down yesterday, and of course last night she went down without issue, until 7am.....one time I am happy to eat my words!!

    We are back a 3 naps though, which is totally fine, we may try half hour earlier bedtime tonight, buuut we'll see. I feel bad for DH trying it as his time is so limited with her as-is, we're lucky he's home fairly early (4pm) than most working DHs.

  34. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    Hope you get the bedtime figured out. Even if A slept all night, 5a wake up would be rough.

    So yeah, night sleep is crap. But his naps have been great. Usually 3 1.5 hour naps a day. We keep wondering if him sleeping so much during the day is affecting his night sleep? Like he's getting too much sleep? Who knows. He's still in our bed though. It allows us all to get better sleep. He sleeps so well curled up next to me. I'm actually starting to enjoy it.

  35. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @Beebug: hopefully that continues!

    Sleep over here has been so-so. For a few days, we were down to one night waking, which was awesome, but last night, LO woke up at 2 to eat, and then 5:30--I gave him the paci, but he was up for the day at 6. Not cool!

  36. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @mrskc: I'm jealous that you guys can sleep well while co-bedding..we all sleep badly when we try it, including LO!

  37. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hilsy85: It's the only way right now! He will sleep like 2 hours in his crib and when 9-10 pm rolls around, he will not go back in his crib. No matter what I do. I bring him to our bed and he's out. We're at a point where he just wakes to nurse and goes right back to sleep and I practically sleep through it. only downside is DH sleep part of the night on the floor. So it's not ideal. He can't sleep when the baby is between us. He'll sleep in the bed when the baby is on the other side of me. between me and the bed rail.

  38. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    @mrskc: ahh gotcha. Yeah, I don't think my DH would be so understanding as yours, lol!

  39. mrskc

    bananas / 9357 posts

    @hilsy85: I told him to sleep in the bed but he insists he's better off on the floor. Ah well. It's temporary.... hopefully.

  40. hilsy85

    squash / 13764 posts

    Ladies, I think I can finally say that we have a nap schedule and naps have actually shifted to being a normal length of time! For the last week, LO's morning nap has been at least 1 hr 15 minutes, and often 2 hours. I am SO happy, it really helps our day get off to such a good start. Nights are also better for us, he's been back to 1 night waking (!) for the last several days or so. I feel SO much more rested with just one waking!

    Of course, I have probably completely jinxed it now and he'll revert back to 40 minute naps and multiple wakings!

    How are you guys doing?

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