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TTC After Loss Part II

  1. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    Well, I overcame a bit of a milestone today. Saw my SIL who is due a month before I was. She has a cute bump and I felt kinda sad. I mean I'm happy for them. But I'm still going between feeling totally ok and being sad. Im mostly over thinking I "should" be pregnant and it's more just things not feeling right in this amorphous way. I guess it's the limbo we all feel ... this weird in between stage.
    I'm also feeling sad because I just realized with work travel we could have bad timing 3 months in a row. It might not turn out that way but it's not helping the feeling of limbo. I want to be able to get over it and move on and forget about another baby but it's just not working that way. But ttc may not be looking good either.
    There's no real point to this but I'm glad to be able to come here to vent!

    How is everyone?

  2. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: I was in the same position a month after our loss - worried that we wouldn't be able to try again for awhile due to work schedules but thankfully my cycle cooperated. I'm sorry, having to worry about whether it will even be feasible to try sucks. I also find it hard to see people who are due around the same time that I was. I'm really happy for them but it's just a tough reminder... My husband still talks about kids in a really hypothetical way, like "well maybe, if someday, we have a kid..." Makes it seem far away...

    I'm doing pretty good. Got a reminder for my first appt today - I thought I'd scheduled it with the ob practice in the same hospital as my re. That is who I called, and a nurse called me back and just identified herself as from the hospital. However, the appointment is in their high risk MFM clinic. I was a little surprised they'd designated me high risk and nobody told me this or why, but anyways... First appt is right at six weeks, I feel pretty detached and not too worried yet but I kind of wish they'd wanted to set it up for a bit later. My main concern is seeing a low heart rate and having the same limbo as last time - could just be early, or could be non-viable.

  3. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @periwinklebee: I really hope you get news that is clear! With my first I saw the MFM for a while, my RE transferred me there because they thought I might have a clotting issue. I didn't but I still loved her so much. I'm sure they're all different but her bedside manner was great and reassuring esp after losses. I measured way behind at the first appt and she was realistic but made me feel really ok about it. I think they're generally more proactive about appts and ultrasounds and that could be helpful. They transferred me to the ob after my second appt where growth was on track but I never forgot how she made me feel ok about things! Hope you have the same experience

  4. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: Thank you That's awesome that you had a good experience and got released fairly quickly.

    I hope that you are having a good weekend and some distraction from the in between limbo feeling. Really hoping that things work out for you with timing this cycle. What CD are you? I hope the random post D&C cramping has subsided as well. My first loss cycle was weird and I was kind of expecting that of my second cycle as well, but I went right back to ovulating on schedule, though the cramping took a bit longer to completely go away.

  5. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @knittylady: Thinking of you I hope that the break has been helpful with healing.

  6. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @periwinklebee: thanks I have been better since I wrote the post. Feeling more zen about this week too. We can try on cd12 and then not again until end of cd17. I recently looked at last year and I tend to ovulate between cd15-20 so it could really go either way! I had to laugh that now I will be praying for my opk to stay negative until at least cd17. Worst case I ovulate on like cd16 but if so at least less worrying about bd timing and maybe I can relax more over the 2ww. haha, that never happens. I'm ready to poas right now

  7. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: So glad that you've been feeling better. Even with the worst case scenario of CD16, I think you'll still have a chance, and probably the timing will end up even better... Relax now before the TWW crazy that we are ALL afflicted with sets in

  8. knittylady

    pomegranate / 3212 posts

    @periwinklebee: Thanks for checking in

    DH and I think we're ready. It's been the amount of time the OB suggested. My acupuncturist said she'd prefer we wait one more cycle, which really annoyed me. Now I'm wondering if she's just sort of opinionated or if I'm damning myself to something bad by trying again. Oof.

  9. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @knittylady: Did the acupuncturist give any reasoning as to why she'd like you to wait?

  10. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    A friend at work who was due with her baby a day before my due date (with my first loss) had her baby today. Surprisingly I feel nothing but joy for her. I thought maybe I would feel sad but I don't, and I'm really happy about that.
    I feel optimistic about the future and just know that things will be ok. Hopefully that feeling sticks around!

  11. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @knittylady: I think ultimately you know your body best. Especially if your doctor is on board, I wouldn't worry about the acupuncturist's opinion. I would just listen to your body - with a D&E for a couple of months I had random cramping and also it would be sort of uncomfortable when I had to pee - I think just because my bladder was pressing against places that weren't 100% healed. If you're not feeling any discomfort, that's a really good sign that you're healed. I know it must be scary to try again after everything that has happened - I'm really hopeful and everyone here is rooting for you

    @mrskansas: I'm so glad you're feeling hopeful - we are all optimistic for you too How many dpo?

  12. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas:

    @periwinklebee: I have noticed the bladder thing too! I never thought about healing but makes sense. I also get that feeling close to ovulation. And then I think how lucky men are not to have all these things to deal with!

  13. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: I'm either 3 or 4 DPO today. I'm hoping that with my birthday on Friday and the long weekend it will make the time go by without a lot of anxiety!

  14. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: Yeah, at first I wondered whether it was some sort of permanent change - and was a bit worried about scar tissue - but it did eventually go away. As for men, omg, tell me about it. I know same sex couples face so many barriers, but I'm still jealous because I would love so much to tell my partner "next time you're doing this." Hah hah. My latest was explaining to him (again) that how crappy and exhausted you feel is not proportional to the current size of the fetus, lol.

    @mrskansas: Happy birthday!!! Any fun plans? My birthday this year happened in the middle of my CP, which was blah. But my husband got me a season pass to the beach so I'm hoping we can kind of celebrate it all summer with weekend outings... I hope you have a wonderful day and that the next week until POAS flies by!

  15. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    Today I am incredibly jealous of everyone who has gotten pregnant on the first try, with multiple children, with no losses. I hate feeling this way but I can't help it.

  16. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas: hugs don't beat yourself up! We're all there some days.

  17. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: I'm sorry

    I know it's so hard - and not necessarily for the best - to be too hopeful, but I'm so hopeful for you. Imaging you with little B-G twins in matching Superbowl LII outfits brings a smile to my face

  18. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: oh geez that would be adorable. I am the biggest football fan so of course they would have Chiefs onesies! Lol.

  19. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: Let's make a deal now, when you dress your adorable baby or babies in those Chiefs onesies (and I'm confident you will!) I need you to PM me a picture because it's going to be stinking adorable and I wanna see it

  20. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: Will do! As long I get to see yours in what I assume will be a Patriots jersey

  21. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: Lol, my family might just disown me if I put my child in a patriots jersey, hah hah. My dad I'm sure will make sure we're well-stocked with Dallas Cowboys onesies. I'm not sure if that's better or worse from the perspective of a chiefs' fan

  22. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: hmm well good point. I think the Pats are probably worse. My dad is an avid football fan and he and his wife own a sports store so needless to say my daughter has an endless of supply of all things Chiefs related.
    It's fun to dress them up!

  23. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: That's awesome!

  24. knittylady

    pomegranate / 3212 posts

    @mrskansas: I've been having huge swings of bitterness... I hate that I feel that way, but I guess I should just let the feeling be there and hopefully it too shall pass.

  25. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @knittylady: I think you're right that it doesn't do any good to repress the feelings. I think focusing on gratitude for other things can help - in widening your horizon and realizing how much else there is besides TTC, which can be so all-consuming. Someone here suggested keeping a gratitude journal after loss, and I think it is helpful, though I haven't been very good about actually getting in the habit of remembering to do it every night, lol...

  26. PeaceLily

    apricot / 360 posts

    @mrskansas: I struggle with jealousy as well. I love my sister and we are very close, but she has 2 kids and has never seen a BFN. She's tried to conceive a total of 5 months in her life and got a BFP all 5 months, though 3 turned out to be chemical pregnancies. She pretty much knows that if she has unprotected sex during her fertile period she will get pregnant since that has never not happened.

    I was hoping I'd be like her when I started ttc, but that hasn't been the case.

  27. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    I think my husband forgot my birthday. I've talked to him numerous times today and he hasn't said anything.
    I've already been feeling down because today is the due date from my first loss.

    I was feeling fine this morning but now I'm just trying not to cry at work.

  28. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: I'm so sorry Ugh, I really hope he didn't forget and is planning to surprise you with something later today. Thinking of you and sending lots of healing thoughts.

  29. PeaceLily

    apricot / 360 posts

    @mrskansas: Oh no, I'm so sorry. I hope that's not the case.

    Due dates are so tough. I took off work last month for mine and got a massage. I knew I couldn't handle it at work that day. I hope you get to leave early today with the start of the holiday weekend.

    Happy birthday

  30. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: @PeaceLily: Thank you both I had to take an early lunch just because I couldn't hold it together any longer. Of course I ended up crying in my car for about 30 minutes but I feel a lot better now.
    I do get off work at 3 today so that will be nice.

    I seriously do not know what I would do without the support of you guys.

  31. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: I'm so, so sorry - thinking of you, I hope you are able to do something to treat yourself for your birthday after you get off work...

    I've been in a bit of a sour mood, which I know is bad and silly but I can't seem to pull myself out of it. It's hard to believe after multiple losses that pregnancy can actually lead to a baby...back in Jan/Feb I had no indication based on symptoms that anything was wrong, and my hcg was still pretty high on the day of my D&E, even though the baby had been dead for awhile. So I think - there's no end in sight to the first trimester misery, and I wonder if it's even still alive in there. My first appt isn't for over a month and I don't think I'll have another first tri ultrasound, so I just need to work on staying neutral until there's a chance of hearing a hb on a home doppler...

  32. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: I'm so sorry you're struggling with your feelings about your pregnancy. I know I will feel the same if I'm ever pregnant again.
    Can you call and explain your history and see if they will see you sooner? That's a long time to go in between appointments.

  33. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @mrskansas: @periwinklebee: big hugs all around

  34. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: You will be pregnant again. I saw a stat that made me think of you when i was googling around for loss probabilities by week. If you've had a previous healthy pregnancy, even three losses doesn't increase your chances that much of having another miscarriage (and I think they're not counting chemicals as losses). And this is especially true if you're younger. Odds are definitely still in your favor

    I think I have to wait a long time because I wanted to see a popular doctor. If you'll take the doctor with low ratings they let you in right away, if you want one of the better ones they make you wait in order to balance out demand. My RE last time had a pretty lousy bedside manner which really didn't help, so I decided to just wait it out. They weren't going to do an ultrasound anyways unless there's bleeding, so I'm not sure I get more reassurance by going in earlier. From what I've read you can't reliably expect to hear the hb on a home doppler until 10-12 weeks, but depending on weight and orientation of the uterus, lots of women are able to hear it in the 8-9 week range. If we make it to 9 weeks without further problems, I'll probably give the home doppler a try then (with low expectations). I feel like I might also be a bit more optimistic if I could get a break from the nausea. Nurses' line says they called in the diclegis prescription twice, CVS says they didn't receive it, worried that this is not going to get sorted out before the long weekend and a business trip next week... ugh...

  35. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: Thank you How are you doing? Is o still holding off?

  36. mrskansas

    nectarine / 2813 posts

    @periwinklebee: I do think waiting for a better doctor is the right choice. You'll thank yourself when you have to go to the doctor every week at the end of your pregnancy

    I have heard of a lot of women hearing heartbeats on dopplers at 9 weeks so hopefully that is the case for you! Only a couple more weeks!

    I do think I have a pretty good chance of being pregnant again. My RE has never seem concerned with me since all my losses have been so different. It's just hard to believe that when I've gotten pregnant so easily in the past and now I'm not getting pregnant. Only time will tell though. I'm hoping this is my lucky month.

  37. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @mrskansas: Thank you I hope the second half of your birthday brings some much deserved happiness

  38. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @periwinklebee: still negative today thank goodness. If I got a positive tomorrow at least we could try Sunday night and have a shot. And my cm does not make me think tomorrow is a sure thing either way but who knows.

    Honestly I'm all mixed up lately. I was somewhere full of pregnant people today and felt really sad that I should be a few days from my anatomy scan and I'm taking opks with minimal hopes instead. And then I feel really guilty because I already have two great kids and i remember how it felt when it felt like #1 wouldn't happen, then #2 wouldn't happen, so what do I have to complain about. I guess i'm just still struggling at times with the change in expectations. Somehow I have to figure out how to just live in the moment for the summer and if nothing happens by the fall, worry about how to move forward then.

  39. periwinklebee

    grapefruit / 4466 posts

    @bhbee: I feel like I had the hardest time the month after my loss, and then again right around when it would have been time for the anatomy scan. It felt like everyone with a Sept due date was announcing, people with a similar due date now looked pregnant - which was a reminder whenever I saw them - and in general after a bit of a break it just felt like there were reminders everywhere. I think it does get better....

    You don't need to feel guilty just because you already have kids. It doesn't make the baby you hope for - or the one you lost - any less valued, so of course you're still going to have these feelings.

    I'm glad ovulation is holding off, looks like the timing this month is going to work after all... I'm really hopeful for you...

  40. bhbee

    cantaloupe / 6086 posts

    @periwinklebee: thanks for the wise words I think it did make it worse that I was talking to another mom with an October due date.
    I was thinking though that if I do manage another darkening bfp ... maybe I can convince myself to just feel joy (aside from the physical symptoms). I'm pretty sure it would be our last pregnancy whether it stuck or not and maybe that could help me enjoy it and push aside the fear. No idea until I get there but it's a nice thought.

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