Was it positive or negative? Just read this article that leans toward positive effects. http://www.salon.com/2016/10/22/here-are-reasons-why-your-child-may-need-to-skip-a-grade_partner/
Was it positive or negative? Just read this article that leans toward positive effects. http://www.salon.com/2016/10/22/here-are-reasons-why-your-child-may-need-to-skip-a-grade_partner/
honeydew / 7444 posts
I can link to so many articles and studies that show there are more positive than negative effects to grade skipping. The biggest study is the one referred to in the article - the 45 year longitudinal study by Lubinski who followed a group of mathematically precocious kids. I really dislike it when people say "it all evens out by the third grade"...some kids are forced to be evened out because they enter school knowing how to read and write but are forced to go with the regular curriculum...which doesn't allow them to grow. Of course the other kids will catch up by the third grade.
Due to the whole inclusive teaching model, schools seem to be so opposed to grade skipping. Especially if they are not up to date on the best ways to teach gifted kids, they think kids should be with their own age group.
We had some issues getting my DD5's new school to even entertain our request. Since we are in this city for one year we decided not to push it (I won't get into too much detail here). But I will say this - last year she was moved up to the preK/k room at her old school where the kids were predominantly 1 year older. They eventually moved her to the k group and she really thrived.
Here are some good links:
http://www.accelerationinstitute.org/nation_deceived/get_report.aspx
https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2017/09/14/watch-a-45-year-study-has-changed-the-way-we-view-giftedness/
eggplant / 11716 posts
@808love: I have experience from a teacher's perspective, because I used to be a middle school gifted teacher. So....in my opinion, the kids in our program did really well. We had a couple that had skipped two grades and a few that had skipped 1. All of the kids in our program were middle schoolers working on HS credits, 1 year ahead.
So the kid who skipped 2 grades what essentially a 6th grader placed in 8th grade, doing 9th and 10th grade HS credits. He was 11 when I had him.
Now all those kids are just about finishing college now. The boy I know who skipped 2 grades is friends with me on FB and he seems like the same kid---a bit socially awkward but highly successful academically. He's just graduated with honors and has been accepted to grad school. He was involved in a lot of university teams and groups and will be starting grad school at age 20.
The thing with our particular program is that they weren't "mainstrained" with their grade level peers except for electives. All their core classes were for gifted students only. So even if they were young socially (and many were), they usually found their tribe within the gifted program.
cantaloupe / 6730 posts
I was skipped from kindergarten to grade 2. I wouldn't have chosen to do that. I did very well, academically, but I think it forced me to mature faster than was good for me. I would prefer to see students given extra work/stimulation etc, within their grade. Maybe Anagram's example would have been better, but just plunking me into a class of older kids wasn't great.
pear / 1586 posts
I wasn't skipped a whole grade (my parents considered it but ultimately decided against it) but I participated in single subject acceleration through elementary school and it was a positive experience for me. Like the article mentioned, I do have a phd but I think that's totally correlational. My son misses our public school cutoff by 3 days and I do worry a little about boredom, but our school district does single subject acceleration so I think that will be a happy medium.
pomelo / 5866 posts
Thank you! It totally helps to get me moving. Grade skipping is not a thing at the school where I teach and it sounds very beneficial for core classes. IT just hasn't been done and I don't want to create waves if I'm not sure that is the route I want to go or ask for acceleration in specific areas. I have an action plan. I am just working up the courage to start taking steps. I am thinking -in this order: ask a teacher friend with a gifted child at our school, upcoming teacher conference, ask upper grade enrichment (like g/t but not) teachers, state g/t specialist, principal.
nectarine / 2085 posts
@808love: This may be out of left field, but I'd add "seriously consider homeschooling" to that mix of strategies, particularly if you'd be swimming against the current within the system.
Acceleration in one or a bunch of areas requires no dealing with bureaucracy or changing norms or wondering how to address social issues (there aren't any at this point unless you choose to do an academic co-op or outside academic classes, and even then many seem to be far more mixed age than PS classrooms), you just do it.
pomelo / 5866 posts
@honeybear: Thank you for varying perspectives to add to the puzzle. I'm actually involved in circles to help lead educational policy so it is hopefully a viable option from where I am at right now. It would start with a personal connection but lead to improve things for others as a whole. Trailblazing is difficult though. Still gathering resources.
Also I feel like I am already homeschooling in addition to regular school because we do a lot to enrich her in off hours. Currently in a 3 hour long game of Monopoly Here and Now, which uses 100k denominations....and she is winning!! So I won't be leaving my career to homeschool full time but will continue to provide my own version of educational activities for now.
pomelo / 5628 posts
@808love: what do you do with educational policy? Curious!
I work as a resource teacher in our school district (after 11years teaching HS English.) My son entered pre-k fully reading. So I'm definitely curious about how our district approaches differentiation. I don't think I'm a fan of grade-skipping. I'd rather have kids going to a different class for math, etc. I think the social aspect of schooling is just as important as academics and it is hampered by being the odd one out.
I think school should be reinvisioned so that kids have a home class and then all kids go to subject rooms based on their level, not age. At the same time it's important for kids to have models that are a little higher than them and for them to teach students. Long-term ability grouping has a negative effect on learning.
pomelo / 5628 posts
This article was in the thread on red-shirting but I think it applies here perfectly. One point that stood or to me is that combo classes (K-1, 1-2) had an overall positive effect although the effect was stronger for the younger kids.
https://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/youngest-kid-smartest-kid
pomelo / 5866 posts
@Mrs Green Grass: Yes, I read that article posted kn the other thread too. I was an observer/participator in an elementary combo class for a semester while in college. From my experience, it worked because it was a small school so the numbers worked out that way. I liked that the teachers get to know the kids for a longer period of time, which helps instruction. However, the range is that much wider to plan for so I'm not a fan because it is still not always meeting a child where she is at. I definitely think they need to take the ceiling off of these climbers and open ended projects are not the end all answer. Targeted instruction at their specific academic level to further challenge a high aptitude child is what I'm looking/calling for...without homeschooling. It is available for the below grade level kids but America/the world/mankind needs it for the advanced kids as well.
pomegranate / 3779 posts
I skipped a grade in elementary school and I don't feel like it had any major negative consequences for me. I was a pretty mature kid and I didn't struggle much because of my age - in high school, most of my friends were a grade higher so I would have been younger than everyone anyway. I do think it was good academically, but I think the effect was a little time limited. It didn't take long before I was ahead of everyone again and bored.
pomelo / 5866 posts
@mrs.shinerbock: Right, even with grade skipping, no matter the content, I feel like LO will grasp it quickly and I will be back to the drawing board. That's why I feel just adding to her curriculum on my own or with outside classes might be the best. Then she can just be with her friends. BUT mothers one generation above me (the elders) imply I'm slacking and I should put her in a private school where they have admissions tests that select top students awho are exposed to rigorous curriculum.
As for maturity, her play level is very much at grade level. She is like a wing man, not a leader. She has a few weird quirks (still sucking on her necklace or hair occasionally) but other than that normal. I don't know if grade skipping is right for a kid like that. Plus I want an extra year to save for college and not rush her childhood! I guess my ideal situation would be moved forward for core subjects at her grade level but I don't know what is reasonable to expect. Just talking it out for the first time to help me decide my next steps.
persimmon / 1345 posts
My younger brother skipped a grade and we ended up in the same grade. Academically, he excelled. He was always the smartest in the grade and winning all the awards. Socially, especially during middle school and early high school, it was hard for him. He was always smaller than everyone and even though he played sports, he was always the position that no one wanted. He wasn't bullied per se but he did have a hard time finding his friends and instead hung out with mine esp in middle school. In high school, all of his friends were driving and he couldn't. Little things like that I think was difficult for him. He wasn't 18 when he went to college so had to get additional forms and slips signed. Eventually, he hit his growth spurt and he was able to adjust.
kiwi / 578 posts
As a kid, I wish my parents would have let me skip a grade or two. They refused the school's offers to do so, and I ended up as the younger grade in combination classes for two different grades. That was fun for me for those two years, because I had enough material (learning both grades) to stay entertained. It was horrible the following grade, when I'd already learned all of the material the prior year in the combo class. Being so separated from my peers in terms of academic interest and ability led to social isolation for me so I just don't buy into the argument that advancing younger kids into classrooms with older children leads to a social penalty. I ended up graduating high school two years early (after getting into loads of trouble because I was bored) and starting community college. My parents and I both regret that I wasn't advanced at a younger age. Not sure what the best solution for your LO is, but I would encourage you to do whatever is necessary to make sure your LO remains challenged and engaged at school.
honeydew / 7444 posts
@808love: We supplement a lot at home to keep her engaged in things she loves. For the most part, a regular school curriculum is usually not enough to challenge advanced kids. If she is happy, i wouldn't worry too much. But what you described in one of your responses sounds like a great plan for your kid.
Have you also considered getting her tested? Some schools dismiss these requests as coming from overbearing tiger moms who hothouse these kids. Once you know what you want to request, it wouldn't hurt to have a portfolio of her work. http://www.accelerationinstitute.org/ and davidsongifted.org have some great resources to help you think about your options.
Good luck.
pomelo / 5866 posts
@Mrs Green Grass: Sorry!!! I missed your whole first post above until just now. I'll respond when I get to the computer. @Freckles: Thank you for the accelerated link. I have never heard of that.
persimmon / 1339 posts
I ended up skipping two grades throughout my schooling and it was a godsend. I was the youngest and smallest all the way through to university but I loved it and socially I've always been more comfortable around older people. I'm not sure how I would have coped if I'd had to stay in my designated grade - I was bullied and was super rebellious before I was moved up the first time. Nothing but positive outcomes for me.
wonderful pear / 26210 posts
I would look at getting the child tested. Once you know what you are dealing with, you can get the appropriate programs put into place, with the full support of the school district. I wouldn't rely on pull out g&t programs, I would possibly want a full on program, not sure if that's an option around you. Gifted education (with IEPs) are protected in my state.
Good luck!
apricot / 424 posts
I didn't skip, but I started school at 4 instead of 5. I had to take a quick test (knowing right from left, counting, colors, tie my shoes, etc.). I hated being the youngest in my grade growing up. I got to do everything last, including getting your license which really stunk!
grapefruit / 4988 posts
No experience with this but thank you for sharing the article. I am already worried that we may have to grade skip my DD once she starts public school (she will already be one of the oldest in her class anyway, but she is also tiny).
I was a child who probably should have grade skipped but couldn't due to being in a pilot program with no grade to skip up to. I think I remember being given the option to switch schools to grade skip but I didn't want to leave my friends. Honestly, I wish my parents had decided for me. Looking back, I wasn't challenged until I reached college, and at that age, it was much harder to develop the skills to deal with being challenged. I had several friends in college who had grade skipped and they were all fine, both academically and socially.
pineapple / 12566 posts
I didn’t skip because it wasn’t allowed in my school district growing up, but I was ready both academically and socially. I went into K already reading and I was so bored that I would come home crying. My parents switched me to a private school a few months into the school year and the pace was much faster and more challenging. When I switched back to public school in second grade I was bored again and put in advanced reading classes (I was the only one). I tested into G&T in 3rd grade (the earliest the program started), but it was a pull out program. I stayed in G&T until I graduated HS. All of that to say, if you think your LO would be happier being more challenged by either skipping a grade or switching schools, I would definitely look into the options.
persimmon / 1445 posts
I skipped in high school and it was definitely not a good choice for me. I was fine academically and probably could have taken even more advanced courses in HS and college, but I was out of my element socially. I didn't get my license until nearly the end of senior year and I felt very isolated that year and my first year of college since mostly everyone was 18. I ended up not completing college my first try, took two gap years back to back, and then went back. I had another friend who skipped the same grade as me who had a great experience and loved college. I think it depends a lot on the kid. It also may have worked out better had I been able to skip earlier so I would have had more time to adjust.
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