Here's a breastfeeding story to add to the mix. FTM breastfed her baby during her college graduation. Very public. Very beautiful.
WDYT
Here's a breastfeeding story to add to the mix. FTM breastfed her baby during her college graduation. Very public. Very beautiful.
WDYT
honeydew / 7589 posts
Good for her! I'd be proud too, if I'd manage to breastfeed a baby while going to school. That's a lot of work.
I'm disgusted at the people attacking this mama.
I'm always happy to see mamas beautifully feeding their babies anywhere and everywhere.
pomegranate / 3706 posts
I love the photo and am inspired by her! No way I could finish college while pregnant and nursing a newborn! Also, baby was hungry, she fed her baby. People need to get over it!
wonderful pea / 17279 posts
@erinpye: yeah, one of my classmates ended up graduating a year late with my class because she had twins. She took a year off from school to care for them. When she came back to school she had a job, an internship and was obviously still full time mom. She was such a motivation to make the most of my waking hours.
pomegranate / 3845 posts
As supportive as I am of breastfeeding and nursing in public, I think this kind of thing gives it a bad rap. Her goal was to make a statement, but I really think nursing discreetly is a better way to normalize breastfeeding than making a scene.
I also think her achievement is amazing and she should be very proud!
honeydew / 7589 posts
@Applesandbananas: I'm not saying there is anything wrong with choosing to breastfeed discreetly, but there is also nothing wrong with what she did. After all, it doesn't exactly normalize it if no one knows what you are doing.
Breastfeeding is beautiful and normal and women shouldn't feel like they have to hide. How discreet they chose to be should be based on their own comfort, not the fear of the reaction from the public.
It isn't "making a scene" unless someone else chooses to make it one. If people aren't staring or whispering or making comments, it's not a scene. It's a mom feeding her baby, end of story.
Not that this matters, but there is no more of her breast showing in this photo than I see every day at the mall or in store advertisements. It bothers me that this bothers people and that does not.
coconut / 8234 posts
@Arden: I agree. I see a lot more breast than this in the summers, on TV, and in ads. I know that once my LO was old enough she hated the cover. Maybe her child doesn't like covers. But that doesn't matter, this should be normal. I used the double tank top approach but people would stare at me even then, when no part of my breast was exposed. I think a lot of people have problems with boobs when they are being used as they were meant to be used.
pomegranate / 3845 posts
@Arden: it definitely bothers me to see people at the mall barely dressed or in advertisements/tv shows/movies scantily clad. I think when I nurse in public, people are still aware of what's going on, thanks to LO randomly popping off. I just prefer to be as discreet as comfortably possible (LO has always hated covers so I've never really used one). Making a scene about it just rubs me the wrong way and I don't think it normalizes breastfeeding. I think making a scene takes away from the fact that nursing your baby is a natural, beautiful thing.
ETA - I don't disagree with her nursing at graduation (though I think being more discreet would've been nice) I disagree with her posting the picture on social media and making a scene.
honeydew / 7589 posts
@Applesandbananas: How is nursing like this making a scene? As I said, it isn't "making a scene" unless someone else chooses to make it one. If people aren't staring or whispering or making comments, it's not a scene. It's a mom feeding her baby, end of story.
How does feeding this way take away from the natural beauty? I'm sorry but I just can't understand your reasoning. Feeding a baby is feeding a baby - whether or not you have a couple more inches of your chest showing should not change that.
I certainly take no issue with you choosing to nurse discreetly, but I do take issue with you thinking other women should have to make the same choice.
Women should be free to feed their babies however they choose. The last thing we need is even more pressure from other moms to do it a certain way. There is no right or wrong when it comes to feeding babies.
pomegranate / 3845 posts
@Arden: maybe I'm not communicating my perspective well and maybe we disagree, but that's okay! It's allowed The OP asked WDYT and that's what I think, that she chose to be less discreet and post it on social media and that's just not my cup of tea, but go her for breastfeeding and graduating with a degree in accounting! I think those are definitely successes that are to be celebrated!
honeydew / 7589 posts
@Applesandbananas: You are definitely entitled to your opinion, I just really find it sad when we as mothers judge other mamas for not feeding the "right" way so I may have jumped into this conversation with a little more passion then necessary. I apologize if you felt attacked.
I still can't figure out how in the world she "made a scene", and I completely support her posting the photo on social media. That's part of normalizing - celebrating it. Acknowledging that this is part of life that deserves to be photographed and shared.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
I think it's amazing that she had a baby and continued to go to school and graduate! Good for her!!
GOLD / pomelo / 5737 posts
I'm fine with the boobs. You gotta do what you gotta do when you're nursing/feeding a baby and I get why people don't like to use covers. That's fine. That said, I'm not sure I agree with even having your baby with you while sitting in graduation. I understand it's hard for some babies/moms to be separated, but moms still have to go to work, to classes, to graduation. I'm not adamantly against it or anything. But I can see why this can be interpreted as making a scene when instead of just quietly nursing and moving on she took a picture and posted it while the ceremony was going on, thereby drawing attention to it. I also don't know that this does much to normalize breastfeeding, but when I think of normalizing breastfeeding I think more along the lines of not FREAKING out over boobs and acknowledging that bf is a natural thing and a huge part of a baby's life, not to be shamed. That doesn't necessarily mean to me that moms and babies never ever be separated for things like graduations.
I'm pretty sure someone's going to take this offensively but it's not meant that way.
pomegranate / 3845 posts
@googly-eyes: this is where I was trying to go but failed miserably!
grapefruit / 4800 posts
Good for her. Shows there's a way to go before people feel OK with nursing in public. Mom and baby look happy, I don't see how graduation would be an inappropriate time to nurse.
watermelon / 14206 posts
@Applesandbananas: I know what you're saying and I agree. When I nurse M it's between me and him. If we're out and about I am discreet about it. People notice me and can tell what I'm doing but I'm not doing it to make a statement or help normalize breastfeeding. I'm doing it because he's hungry.
coconut / 8483 posts
@Dandelion: agree
Good for her for graduating with a baby! And I guess good for taking the pic, I would never do that though.
apricot / 469 posts
What a great achievement for her. That said, I feel like there can be a certain amount of grand standing around breast feeding sometimes, like constant pics of 'look I breastfeed in the classroom' 'look, I breastfeed in church' and so on. I'm not sure such hoopla's normalize breastfeeding as much as just add heat to the topic - cos here we are debating it.
My biggest issue with this pic is that it's all over the place and I wonder how that baby will feel about it when she's 15. This is coming from someone who is very conservative on pics etc though!
persimmon / 1483 posts
Hmmm.....I think it's fine she's breastfeeding at her graduation but the picture initially struck me as odd because I don't love when people take breastfeeding pics for the sake of saying that they breastfed in X location. But then I read the story and she says her baby was being fussy, so she took her from her mom and started to nurse her and then a friend asked if she could take a pic of them. Seems perfectly ok to me. It also love her cheesy, happy graduation grin
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
Her friend wanted to take the pic. The girl wasn't being militant about breastfeeding, her child was hungry and she chose to feed her in the way that she was most comfortable and that was best for her baby. I think the reaction to this photo is proof positive that public opinion has certainly not swung "too far" in favor of breastfeeding as has been stated on other threads recently.
GOLD / pomelo / 5737 posts
@MamaMoose: Idk, I've seen this on fb and maybe just the source was different but I've seen way more support for this than people disagreeing with it.
eta..Not to say there aren't a**holes out there just throwing insults around and what not. Just where I specifically saw this outside of hb. I think the whole public breastfeeding thing is way different depending where you live.
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
@googly-eyes: In my personal opinion no matter what the majority of people are saying if any one is still calling breastfeeding "gross" or anything other than completely natural there is still education to be done.
grapefruit / 4800 posts
@Aimed: If she was bottle feeding though the first thought would be happy graduating momma with hungry baby not she's grandstanding. She made a choice on a different way to feed so how does that make her trying to make a point?
I get sad sometimes looking through pictures of my daughter. I have pictures of everyone else feeding her. I have zero pictures of me feeding her even though I was a SAHM who nursed constantly with a baby who rarely took a bottle. It's because people thought it would be embarrassing or inappropriate to take our picture. So I have pictures of our extended family feeding LO but zero pictures to solidify the sweet memories of my time feeding her.
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
@googly-eyes: I agree that where you live makes a big difference and that's sort of my whole point. If any certain geographic or cultural groups still believe breastfeeding is gross or unacceptable (in public or private) then there should be continued education out there.
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
@MamaMoose: I don't know that that will ever change . . . there is still--obviously--a ton of room for improvement, but there will never be 100% acceptance of public BFing. I think that expectation is unrealistic, actually . . . just due to human nature . . . we are still fighting older, and much more (widely socially) detrimental issues (like sexism, for example).
persimmon / 1171 posts
I think it's super inappropriate. There's a time and place for everything. If she were in the stands or after the ceremony I wouldn't see a problem, but it looks like she's sitting with the rest of her class, not cool. This coming from someone who is totally open to BFing in public. If my kid were fussy at a graduation/wedding/whatever where I was part of the center of attention, I would sit off to the side and feed her. I would be pissed if a bridesmaid were at the alter feeding her kid, sit in the front row but get out of the way. Same here, she could have sat with her mom while she fed her baby and then took her position back with her class after. I feel like it does give breast feeding a bad name. And yes, it is natural, but we should still be discrete. Sex is natural, should we be doing that center safe too? But, that's just my opinion.
GOLD / pomelo / 5737 posts
@MamaMoose: Yes to educating those groups! I still think the reaction being mostly positive is meaningful in terms of where the "pendulum" is right now, but I agree that there is still work to be done in that area. Hope that makes sense, and sorry (OP!) for getting off topic!
persimmon / 1483 posts
@MamaMoose: I think I made reference in the previous thread about being bummed that the pendulum has swung so far towards breastfeeding that a well informed mama has to worry about being judged for her choice to formula feed or justify that choice to anyone. That doesn't mean that I think breastfeeding moms don't have their own share of public opinion battles.
The bottom line for me is this - it's all judgey bullshit, every family should have the right to make a well informed decision about how to feed their baby without worrying about backlash or feeling like they have to explain that choice to anyone. Period.
GOLD / pineapple / 12662 posts
@Madison43: "The bottom line is this - it's all judgey bullshit, every family should have the right to make a well informed decision about how to feed their baby without worrying about backlash from anyone period." WORD.
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
@MsLipGloss: yes, I suppose you're absolutely right that it's unrealistic... But that doesn't mean it's not my ideal. I don't think that working to educate that breastfeeding is natural and normal means that we can't also work against other societal issues such as sexism.
pineapple / 12053 posts
@Madison43: i took it to mean informing the general public and normalizing it there, not just moms?
i think it's rad that she graduated as a mom because i can barely keep my business running as a mom! it's not my cup of tea to post BFing pics, but i certainly don't mind seeing them from others! rock on momma!
pomegranate / 3643 posts
This reminds me of those Vagenda headlines going around a few weeks ago, where they rewrote tabloid headlines without the sexism.
"Baby is in a place and gets hungry."
Also applicable,
"Someone does something. People on the Internet get mad."
bananas / 9118 posts
@Dandelion: Perfectly said- a moment between mom and child.
She was obviously looking to make a stir with social media, and she got one. I am all for breastfeeding in public, but I am not a fan of showboating it either.
Normalizing breastfeeding means you do it in your every day activities- nursing during errands, when out to eat, etc. Graduating in front of a huge audience is not a normal occasion. I can't even imagine having my infant or toddler on the floor with me during my graduation- there are times and places where having your kid with you is not appropriate.
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