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@Mrsbells: I can honeslty say I have never met 1 Christian that was not judging others. Whether it be abortion, gay marriage, sex before marriage, etc. If I was to tell you I had an abortion I am 100% certain you would be judging me and thinking I am going to "hell". I know this is just assumptions because I do not know you personally but in my experience with the christian church this is what happens. I grew up in an extremely religious home and now I refuse to push those principles on my children. I had a very unhappy childhood and no longer speak to my Mother nor do my other siblings.
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@yoursilverlining: I totally agree with your sentiment, but please don't generalize that the Christians on this thread are against SSM. I'm a Christian, and I very much support gay rights and SSM.
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@Mrs.B: yikes! Crazy generalization about Christians. I'm a Christian and support a woman's right to choose, gay marriage, etc.
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@mrsjazz: I agree with you. I'm not gay, but if I were - why do I have to have my rights limited because of a god someone else believes in? People would be in an uproar if laws were created based on what the Koran, says, for example.
Also for the record, I was baptized & made my first communion in the catholic church, but I 150% think religion has no place in civil rights.
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@Mrs.B: 100% disagree with that! I try my hardest not to judge, and this does hit home for me too. My DH's father is gay, we do not agree with his lifestyle but we are not ones to tell him that it's wrong and that he shouldn't do that. I look at it as I am doing things the way that I beleive I should. If others choose not to, so be it. I'm not one to tell people what to do and how to live their life!
But I really take strong offense when you say that 100% of Christians judge, because....not all of us do.
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@yoursilverlining: I agree. Free speech doesn't mean that there aren't going to be reactions. I'm all for the public trying to increase corporate responsibility.
I don't think I'd be all that bothered by the statement if it was just to a baptist magazine as his opinion. But when it's presented as the company and there's money going to groups behind it I can see why people are upset.
@LivsMama: They must fry their potatoes in veggie oil since only animal products have cholesterol
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@owlmom: my post wasn't meant to generalize that all Christians are anti-SSM and I don't believe I said that. But to clarify, I don't think that and didn't mean to imply that if I did.
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@rubies I agree with you too.
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@Mrs.B: So based on the christians you have met, you feel you qualified to judge "most christians", you even feel you know me and you are 100% sure of response to abortions just based on the fact that I am a christian? So you are judging me based on the christians that you have met, rather than based on what you know for a fact about me. But I am the judgey one? Oh the irony.
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@MrsBrewer: Isnt it weird how some people think its ok to group all christians and judge them but not ok the other way around.
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Hey guys... let's keep this discussion on track re: Chick-fil-A and not on generalizing about a group of people!
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@mrbee: Agreed. Sorry, I went off track as well. I expressed my point of view, so I'm done here :-)!!
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@yoursilverlining: Agree
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@mrbee: yeah you are right, we have moved off topic.
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@Mrs.B: I'm not a Christian, not religious at all but I think your statement was unfair. People judge--that is human nature. Just because you haven't experienced something that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
@sorrycharlie: Oh man. I can't even imagine all the public outcry if we had a politician introduce a law based on the Koran...or even Scientology!
Ooops, back to the chicken...I'm going to miss it
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Personally, I believe that religious views should have no effect on public policy. If you don't want to marry same sex couples in your church, that's your right. But in a country founded on separation of church and state, those couples should still be able to be legally married.
The comments that the president of Chik-fil-a aren't that inflammatory on their own. But it does make me wonder what type of effect it has on their business. Do they discriminate against their employees? Their customers? Are the profits going to outright anti-gay marriage organizations? And I ultimately wonder if they're contributing more to a culture of hate, than one of acceptance.
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i love their waffle fries. you couldn't tear this prego away from those fries with a crowbar.
as a small business owner, i'm incensed by the actions of those mayors/politicians who have "banished" chick-fil-a from their cities because they don't agree with mr. cathy's beliefs. that is not your duty, right, or privilege. it is CERTAINLY not in your job description. go back to wasting our tax dollars on your whims and leave small business alone.
i'm a christian, and have personal beliefs about sexuality, but i absolutely believe all consenting adults should have the right to marry. as much as i love it and try to live by it, my bible is not a legal document. that being said, if someone chooses to disagree with me in their personal beliefs -- that's okay! that's why america is so great... it's okay to disagree, it's okay to voice our differing opinions! i just wish some people were more civil when hearing differing opinions than their own.
i'll be eating chick-fil-a. those waffle fries are the bomb.
ps: i've actually met truett cathy! not only is he a great business man, but he is a wonderful man in general. he is the kindest, gentlest soul you'd ever meet. i honestly don't think he has a thread of hate in his whole body. his beliefs on gay marriage don't equate to hating gay people... of this i am 100% sure.
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Like many PPs have said, Mr. Cathy has a right to voice his opinion, and I have a right to voice my discontent with that by no longer eating in his establishments.
FWIW, if you are also no longer eating at CFA but crave their sandwich, give this a whirl: http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2012/07/homemade-chick-fil-a-sandwiches-recipe.html It's not perfect, but it's pretty close.
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@yoursilverlining: My apologies, you said "some." Thanks for clarifying, and I'm sorry I overreacted
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err...before this thread gets shut down....
I'm just going to say that someone utilizing their freedom of speech would never stop me from doing something I love doing. I love eating at Chick Fil A.
I have gay friends who have married and gay friends who have not married. I'm still going to eat at this restaurant even though Dan Cathy said he backs the biblical definition of marriage. I will not purposefully go to Chick Fil A to eat there today like Mike Huckabee has asked supporters to and I will not attend the "kiss-in" that is being held on Friday.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion. Yes, if people feel strongly one way or another about that opinion, they have every right to boycott. I'm just not that type of person.
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@photojane: well said! Seriously, all this chick fil a talk has got me craving it! Gonna get it for lunch!
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@chopsuey119: ME TOO. every time someone mentions the debacle on facebook i'm like great... now i have to go get chick-fil-a. i think my cravings may be making up for their lost customers.
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@photojane: We don't even have Chick-fil-a's here.....I'm missing out! I've never even eaten there!
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@chopsuey119: @photojane: I am the same way! Everytime I see something about it all I can think of is chicken, waffle fries, and sweet tea! Ugh. Closest one is over an hour away...boo!
As far as the issue, and especially the drama here in MA with Mayor Menino, I think there are always going to be issues when buisiness, religion, and politics mix. I for one think that Mr. Cathy has a right to express his opinion. Even though I don't support his opinion, I don't think Boston can try to force them from opening in the city. I think about if it were reversed. If a city wanted to refuse a vocal company that is pro-ssm there would also be an outrage. Let the consumers decide where they want to shop, etc. With the economy the way it is, businesses shouldn't be hindered !
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I think this whole thing is stupid. Let's ask a Christian business owner who is closed on Sundays how he feels about gay marriage and get upset when he tells us what we already knew he thought.
I worked at Chick-Fil-a when I was in highschool. They have great food, AMAZING customer service, and are human beings that have opinions, just like everyone else. I will continue to go there, regardless of their stance.
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@photojane: @chopsuey119: The line at our ChickFilA is loooooong and way out the door! I hope you don't have to wait a super long time to quench your craving!
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I will be finding my waffle fries elsewhere. The definition of marriage has changed much over time, and I hope it continues to evolve to cover all loving relationships.
I try to be as knowledgeable as possible about the companies that I consume from, and while I can't always avoid spending money at a company that I disagree with, I do the best that I can.
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@MrsTiz: I object to the image you posted. Among other things, that's not how to spell "its" or "homosexual"!
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I feel that the word 'tolerance' has become completely twisted. Now, it has come to mean "Either you agree with me on this issue or you are an intolerant bigot." Isn't the point of tolerance to respectfully accept other people's beliefs and opinions? By calling the owner of Chic Fil*a intolerant, gay marriage supporters are essentially being intolerant themselves.
He has his opinion. He respectfully stated it. Leave it at that. By boycotting his company because of his opinion, you are being intolerant yourself!
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@Mrsdaredevil: Totally agree.
While, I think everyone should have the right to get married, the owner has every right to say his opinion. Which I still don't understand why it shocks people, Chick-fil-a isn't open on Sunday's, so we know what his church background is. While I don't agree with all of his beliefs, he has a right to them. And their chicken is too good to stop eating.
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I hadn't the time to read all the comments so apologies if I'm repeating what's already been said.
We don't have Chick Fil A in Ireland, but I'm assuming it to be essentially a fast food chain, right?What in blazes does fried chicken have to do with who marries who? I'm not just being facetious. This man's opinion is simply that, and it looks like he's using his commercial position in an inappropriate way- selling food doesn't make you any kind of moral arbiter.
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@Mrsdaredevil: 10 million % agree. Well said.
@mrbee: I didn't make it, and I didn't notice the misspellings haha thanks for pointing them outQuestion for all those refusing to eat there, are you also refusing to eat Oreos?
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@mrbee: lol I caught that too
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@Mrsdaredevil: I disagree with this statement "By boycotting his company because of his opinion, you are being intolerant yourself!"
It would be intolerant of me to say he shouldn't have an opinion that is different than mine and/or he shouldn't be allowed to voice that opinion publicly. But that's not what I'm saying. I believe he has a right to say and believe whatever he wants. But it would be unfair to call me intolerant because I choose not to spend my hard earned money at a certain business because I don't agree with their opinions.
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@MrsTiz: What's the deal with Oreos? Did Nabisco say something?
I've never eaten at a chick-fil-a, but I want to! They aren't big in the Bay Area.
I very much agree to posters who said that if you ask a guy who runs a business that is closed on Sundays, obviously pro-church, about an issue, you can't get so upset when he says he agrees with a Biblical definition.
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@MrsTiz: This.
I don't believe that all Christians are against SSM. That being said, it surprises me not even one little bit that he's against same-sex marriage. It's been well-known as a Christian-family-owned establishment for some time now. They've been very vocal about family values for some time now. SSM is a hot button issue right now and it's the time for everybody to put in their two cents. So it didn't shock me at all.
Am I going to stop eating there because of it? Meh. I'm not sure. Honestly, I don't think they give a crap if people who support things they do not, stop eating there. They might prefer it that way. So it's not like boycotting DOES anything. Of course, I'm aware that there are people who will stop eating there as a matter of personal principle, and not necessarily to "change" anything. But if there are those who think it will make the owners change their mind or stop donating to causes they find worthwhile... it won't.
I do not agree with what the mayors of many cities have done.
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@MrsTiz: I thought Oreos are pro same sex marriage?
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@JoJoGirl: I thought so too . . . that Nabisco (Kraft) supported the LGBT community. Wasn't there supposed to be a Gay Pride (rainbow) Oreo?
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@MsLipGloss: eek you're right!
Big mess up on my part. Oreo loves SSM! haha what I should have asked is weather or not the people who are going to continue to eat at chick fil a will continue to eat oreos. Oops!
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I am so over the idea that "It's his opinion and everyone has a right to their opinion, so leave him alone." I used to agree with that statement, but I can't anymore when it leads to denial of civil rights. People have opinions that are wrong. Segregationists thought they had a right to their opinion too. Wrong side of history, indeed. Stating that two people should not be allowed to marry in this country denies them equal protection of the law. Legalizing gay marriage will not force churches to suddenly marry gay couples. Government can't (and shouldn't) do that. Religion should not and cannot dictate how we apply the law to the citizens of this country. The Supreme Court will have to decide this soon (as they had to in Loving v. Virginia), and though I'm sure Scalia will dissent, I'm confident that the court will uphold gay marriage as a right held by all citizens, much like the right to marry someone of another race.
Would I boycott Chick Fil A just because of what he said? No. Would I boycott Chick Fil A because part of the profits go to fund groups that actively work toward denying civil rights? Yes.
As for mayors trying to deny Chick Fil A locations in their towns - that so won't happen. They don't have a Constitutional leg to stand on. That would be government regulating speech (which it can't do, except in certain circumstances, and this isn't one of them). Any govt official trying to deny Chick Fil A permits/locations based on this guy's speech needs to go back and read the Constitution again.
I very much agree to posters who said that if you ask a guy who runs a business that is closed on Sundays, obviously pro-church, about an issue, you can't get so upset when he says he agrees with a Biblical definition.
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