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@Truth Bombs: my Inlaws neighbor is a licensed provider and they have a pool! It doesn't even have a fence around it. My husband and I would have loved to send our DD there to take some of the work off our Inlaws but never would once we saw the pool. I'm surprised it's allowed without a fence!
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@Adira: thanks for the info on the pool rules! If she just would have had it covered at least, so simple!
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@josina: Yikes! I'm so sorry. I really hope somehow you can find a provider you can trust and be comfortable with. Do you have anyone else that you can get referrals from? Co-workers? Neighbors? Friends?
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I would NOT go back, under any circumstance. The fact that she has no license, has a pool that’s uncovered on her property with a bunch of littles running around was a recipe for disaster at some point. It just happened now.
That poor family, what an absolute nightmare. I would never go to a daycare with a pool, especially an uncovered one. Just too risky.
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@josina: are providers required by law to be licensed? In my state they are. Parents can be held responsible for child neglect if they send their child to an unlicensed provider. A Child here suffered brain injury from being shaken at an unlicensed provider and the parents were charged with neglect. It was awful. So, I advise you to find licensed care if required by your state. It's just not worth the risk.
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This is so horrible. I think I could only go back if she agreed to remove the pool, and if she had another adult present. My 15 month old is so active that I would really only trust a daycare provider with two adults. I feel like that many little kids is way too much for one person to handle all alone.
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@catomd00: I guess I was wrong on that one and states will allow it with certain rules but it would be a total deal breaker for me. When any body of water is involved I'm not comfortable with anyone other than us or my parents supervising LO. And only with at least a one to one adult to child ratio.
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What a terrible tragedy for all involved
An infant died at my son's daycare back in October - she rolled over in her sleep. It was likely from SIDS and not of negligence. As an investigation was taking place one of the women offered to watch the kids at her house which we did b/c we just didn't have any options. We started looking for a new daycare and in Denver, it was really hard to find any openings right away. We managed to find one starting in December. The daycare where the incident occurred did eventually shut down and their license revoked and I saw the house the center was operating from being put on the market. I don't know if the parents filed a civil suit or not.
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@Truth Bombs: completely agree, it's insane!
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That is just soooo tragic and sad! There's no way I could go back even though it was an accident.
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Sigh, this is so terrible but I would not go back; I just wouldn't be able to function, always thinking about what happened and what if's.
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@josina: I really don't know what I would do. But, I understand why you are considering staying with her. 18 month olds can move fast so I can see how it would happen so quickly-- not that it makes it OK but just saying I can see it. Only you know how you will feel going forward. It's such a horrible situation for everyone.
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@catomd00: I don't believe they are... from what I've researched just since yesterday under 5 kids does not require registration or licensing, so she should've been 'registered' but I'm not sure what that all entails.
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This is such a horrible tragedy. I can't not imagine the heartbreak the parents must be feeling, the guilt your provider is feeling and the anxiety the other parents must be feeling. I voted that my child would not return. I would never feel safe. I also would not send my LOs to an unlicensed at home but that's for various reasons which include my anxiety. Personally I am more comfortable with a center.
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@MK0180: That is so sad as well, especially if it was from SIDS (and the child rolled on their own) and no fault of the provider?
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It's an unfortunate situation with a lot of things that sound like they are wrong. Six kids is too many for one person especially with children who are as young as yours. It doesn't matter if she is licensed or not, she just shouldn't have that many. And if she was licensed she wouldn't be allowed that many by herself, at least not in Canada anyway. Also, the pool definitely should have a cover or a fence around it. I babysit at a home with an above ground pool that has a fence around it with a little gate that closes.
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@josina: Do you know the dates for the center's violations and stuff? I know that I can see violations for my center, but most of them were years ago and nothing recent, which makes me feel better. Not sure if that's the case for you or not.
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How tragic, omg, that makes me sick to my stomach to think about. I would not want to use a daycare that had a pool, period, and especially not after something so terrible happened. I don't even want a pool at my house, despite the heat here, because I'm too paranoid. So I would definitely change. My heart goes out to that family, so sad
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Omgosh that poor little girl and her family. I could never go back. Regardless of the state rules a 1:6 ratio is insane, especially when some are 1 and under.
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1:6 ratio of provider to littles is kinda crazy and IMO it was only a matter of time before something happened. OP, for peace of mind I would do one of the licensed centres, especially after going through this. I would just feel much better knowing that there was oversight.
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This is absolutely tragic.
Personally, I wouldn't go with an in-home with a pool ... too risky. My LO is very curious, and I just wouldn't trust the care provider could manage that many kids AND keep an eye on the pool.
If it were me, we'd leave immediately ... If you feel like you really do want to stay, I'd still take a bit of time to process. This is all so fresh.
I can't imagine what those parents are going through ...
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@Mrs. Goose: In our state in-home centers can have 8 children so she wasn't in violation, but I agree that 8 kids is a lot for one person. They need to reevaluate the rules for daycare providers for sure!
@Adira: The report was from last October so not too long ago; but I can talk with a coworker whose girl goes there. Regardless, the likelihood that they even have spots is pretty slim. -
@josina: Ugh, bummer. I was hoping maybe some of them happened so long ago, it wouldn't even matter. UGH. I really hope you can find somewhere that you feel confident with.
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I wouldn't use a daycare with a pool. I feel so awful for the family of that little girl. Heartbreaking!
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At the end of the day, this was a preventable tragedy and now a family has lost their child because of negligence. I would absolutely be finding a new provider!
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@josina: Just FYI according to this site, an in home provider must be registered if they provide care to more than five children so she was in violation at the time of that incident.
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I am.so sorry @josina I can't imagine being in your shoes! Praying you get an answer!!!!!
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@josina: wow, that's crazy. Even our licensed day care centres where there are more people working and more supervision don't have that ratio, well depending on the age group I guess. Infants, 1:3, toddlers 1:5, preschool 1:8, and kindergarten-age is 1:12 I believe. Our province has also just changed at home daycare rules to make the maximum number of children one person can have 1:5 including your own children and then there are rules for how many infants, toddlers, etc. we can have within those 5.
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I am so sorry you are going through this.
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@josina: This is such a horrible situation.I'm also in Iowa and, at least in my area, licensed in home providers are uncommon and most people wouldn't think twice about sending their kids to an unlicensed in home. This situation puts that in a different perspective for me now. I agree with PP that I wouldn't be able to go back.
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@jessibear: There is only 1 licensed day care in town, and 1 registered day care, so the majority of day cares here are NOT licensed or registered and that is the norm.
I am definitely going to be strict about the ratio going forward!Getting info about the center in town, and they have a 1:4 ratio I believe in the infant room, but infants and toddlers are in the same room with just a divider, so 20 kids together and they are apparently NOT strict about the ratio, so there may be 3 adults on the infant side and only 1 watching 10 toddlers. I don't even like the idea of him being around so many kids.
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@josina: Sorry if I was unclear, it's the same here. Most are NOT licensed.
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@josina: I really do think that the incident at our daycare was a true accident - they do 5 min checks and I think they even had a monitor in the room. They were in the business for a long time, too.
I'd be iffy, too, about that center, especially if they're denying putting blankets on babies' heads to make them stop crying? I don't know... maybe see if you can dig a little deeper about that. If you find them acceptable then put your LO on a waiting list. I put ours down with another daycare that is closer to our home and seems to be better structured - I put our names down in November for a January '16 start date (this was the earliest date - it's insane).
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This is just such an awful situation. I know I went to an inhome daycare for a year or two when I was little, but I just can't see myself sending dd to one. Although I do live in a bigger city so there's a lot to choose from.
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How absolutely heartbreaking. Even trying to imagine the pain these parents are experiencing... I just can't.
I would definitely not return and I doubt you will have the opportunity to. She was breaking the law by watching too many children and not following the rules about the pool. I would be very surprised if there are not legal ramifications and beyond the safety of your child which of course is paramount, you don't want to be involved while that is going on.
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So heartbreaking. I don't think I could go back.
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Given what others have posted about her being not following the law I would not go back. Yes some kids may drop out and it may seem better but kids may also come back.
For me to even consider it, not only would the pool have to be gone, but a lot of overhaul about policies and procedures would have to be done.
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Also, please keep an open mind about a center. Yes 4 teachers to 20 kids may sound terrible but think about bathroom breaks. There is always enough hands. What did your provider do with 8 kids if she needed to take a phone call or use the restroom or prepare a bottle? Centers also provide a lot more oversight and policies.
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If a child died a preventable death at my LO's daycare there is no way in the world I would ever set foot in that daycare again.
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