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  1. T-Mom

    honeydew / 7488 posts

    @theotherstark: I believe you have to ingest dairy but the reason I brought up airborne was only because there were other items on the list the OP mentioned like nuts, seeds that could result in airborne particles or dust.

  2. theotherstark

    pomegranate / 3045 posts

    @T-Mom: Got it - I wasn't sure! Yeah, I can definitely see the nuts and seeds, since as you mentioned those can be airborne. But the dairy thing sounds strange to me, since you could presumably keep the children separated if one was taking a bottle, etc.

  3. JMOM

    apricot / 420 posts

    I don't know too much about allergies so I can't comment about that but giving you one day to do a complete turn around is not right. I can't believe the daycare would not have known about this sooner - you should have had more warning. Obviously, protecting this child is the #1 priority, but they were a little unprofessional in my opinion.

  4. Mamaof2

    squash / 13208 posts

    @theotherstark: nope - my friend's DD will welt up immediately if dairy touches her skin - she is also one of those kids are who allergic to everything under the sun - her mom homeschools her

  5. ElbieKay

    pomegranate / 3231 posts

    I would pull my kid. Dairy is over the top. I can understand the other items, but milk is a pretty fundamental staple of many children's diets.

  6. theotherstark

    pomegranate / 3045 posts

    @Mamaof2: Ahh, okay that's what I was wondering. Yikes! That's scary.

    Since this is an in-home center, will the person/family who runs the center be giving up all of these foods permanently as well, since there's a possibility that their food or particles could somehow come into contact with the child?

    I guess my real issue is that they only gave you one day to prepare, and didn't offer any particular guidance on how to help with meals/snacks, etc. I would be a little peeved, especially since they knew your daughter is still taking bottles.

    Were you able to raise your concerns with the center, and perhaps get further information/guidance?

  7. LovelyPlum

    eggplant / 11408 posts

    @theotherstark: there is such a thing as an anaphylaxis to dairy, but I don't think (?) it is airborne.

  8. LovelyPlum

    eggplant / 11408 posts

    @Mamaof2: yikes!

    @T-Mom: you're right, it is not. I am so grateful that we just have intolerances. Huge kudos to you for handling such a scary thing.

  9. Purpledaisy

    nectarine / 2973 posts

    This is pretty over the top. My daughter is allergic to dairy and I would not expect a whole daycare to be dairy free because of her.

  10. ShootingStar

    coconut / 8472 posts

    I would outright tell them no on the dairy and egg thing. Nuts I understand, but it's the daycare's responsibility to make sure a child with allergies doesn't eat someone else's food. Asking kids to give up dairy is not ok in my opinion. My son eats WCM yogurt every day, and drinks a dairy-based formula. He also loves cheese and eggs. And as others have pointed out eggs are in practically everything.

    There are plenty of other daycares, I'd tell them either I wasn't following their instructions or they could lose my business.

  11. theotherstark

    pomegranate / 3045 posts

    @LovelyPlum: Allergies are so crazy - I had no idea some people had contact allergies to dairy!

  12. AmeliaBedilia

    nectarine / 2192 posts

    I would be ok with the nuts ban, since that is reasonable. The rest of it can be taken care of by them watching the children. If they aren't willing, I would change centers.

    Have you talked to the other parents? How do they feel about this?

  13. oliviaoblivia

    pineapple / 12793 posts

    @theotherstark: one of my mom's patients is so severely allergic to dairy that she can't be in a room with a coffee with milk in it.

    I feel for the allergy family, but it's a lot to ask for you to completely change your LO's diet to accommodate.

    Honestly it feels a bit like laziness on the day care owners part. As if she doesn't want to monitor meal times.

  14. 78h2o

    grapefruit / 4441 posts

    Wow, that really sucks for everyone involved. I think it was handled poorly by the daycare - you should have had 1-2 weeks notice to do a diet overhaul like that! What kind of milk are you allowed to use? No dairy, no soy...I'm assuming no almond? My grandmother had a dairy intolerance and always drank rice milk... it was pretty good... that might be a possibility?

    I guess you can't do sunbutter, since that's a seed.... I found this one on Amazon, made of peas, but it's $15! http://www.amazon.com/The-Sneaky-Chef-Creamy-No-Nut/dp/B00FE0GYO2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412359420&sr=8-1&keywords=no+nut+butter

    My LO likes meat, so we do Earth's Best meatballs once a week. We also do a lot of pasta, which I'm assuming you could do?

    I would ask the director if they would be willing to work out other arrangements, such as feeding the children separately (if the other allergens, such as dairy, would not cause problems if airborne). I think no nuts is understandable, but that is quite a few restrictions. I think it would be more than fair to ask for suggestions from the parents of the child with the allergies.
    Tough situation all around!

  15. ladybee

    grapefruit / 4079 posts

    @theotherstark: @T-Mom: my son can't touch dairy or even a bid that had dairy on it and has been washed.

  16. ladybee

    grapefruit / 4079 posts

    @Sapphiresun: I am the mom that has the child with allergies and I would NEVER ask other parents to accommodate my child like that. M is very allergic to milk but the other kids still eat and drink dairy. The providers (center) just make sure is separate from it and that everyone washes hands.

  17. Aimed

    apricot / 469 posts

    This is too much for both the daycare and the other parents to ask. Nut allergies are one thing, but dairy and soy mean a drastic overhaul of your LO's diet which could mean your LO will not get the nutrients he/she needs. I would find anothr daycare unfortunately. It sounds like the parents of the LO with allergies might be better with a nanny considering the limitations, for their own sanity as well as this is a lot of allergies to police.

  18. loveisstrange

    pineapple / 12526 posts

    WAY over the top. I'd be searching for a new daycare.

  19. HabesBabe

    grapefruit / 4400 posts

    This is ridic. New daycare, for sure... I mean, no milk? For BABIES? That's insane. I know it must be hard for the family and the child who is allergic... but this makes in unnecessarily hard for everyone else.

  20. californiadreams

    pomegranate / 3411 posts

    i agree with the majority and think the worst part is that they gave you a day's notice, wtf!

  21. NovBaby1112

    grapefruit / 4066 posts

    wow, that is crazy....I think being nut free is one thing, but like others have said, having to go dairy free as well is ridiculous. All babies/toddlers drink milk! I feel badly for the parents of the allergy free child, but to be honest, if my child had THAT many allergies, I wouldn't trust them in a daycare AND I would feel badly about imposing that kind of diet on all the other kids, so I would probably get a nanny or nanny share or something. I think the first thing you should do is voice your concerns to your daycare provider- you cant be the only parent upset about this. See how they respond or if they take any steps to make this situation easier, and if not, I would search around for a new one.

  22. reverie

    kiwi / 661 posts

    ummm maybe I'm a bitch, but I would pull my kid. I get it-- it must be horribly scary for that child's parents. I have friends with a severely allergic daughter and her epi pen goes EVERYWHERE, but I think it is way too much to ask an in home provider to do. I would look into other child care options. A 14 month old is supposed to drink milk; even if it was BM it would be allergenic to this kid since you eat the restricted items. Anyway, good luck finding a new diet on no notice!

  23. yin

    honeydew / 7917 posts

    As a parent of two kids with food allergies (5 combined between the two of them), I wish others could be more understanding of our situation. Realistically, I can't shelter my kid from the outside world and home school them until their allergies improve. I'm fortunate to stay home with them, but that is not financially feasible for others. Even though our allergist has confirmed DS2's food allergies, I don't know his reaction to 3 out of the 5 allergies. DH forgot to wash his hands after eating a macaron, and the skin contact with almond flour made DS2 break out in hives. Ingesting wheat brought him to the ER due to swelling that would not go down. DS1 goes into anaphylactic shock after ingesting peanuts and requires the use of an epi-pen. I'm not sure what will happen to DS2. Allergies can be very serious, and they differ with each child.

    I think the daycare wants to make sure the environment is safe for the child with food allergies. What if food drops on the floor, and the child eats it by accident? That small mistake can bring the child into the ER. Is the child old enough to communicate an allergic reaction? Do they have the proper facilities to separate the one child at all times when food is prepared and eaten? It's not fair for him/her to be isolated. I do think that it's difficult to implement food restrictions on other children at daycare, and it's something that the daycare needs to review in order to be a safe place for every child. I would not ask another parents to put the same food restrictions on their child, but I would like others to be understanding of how a small mistake can affect kids with food allergies. It's hard for everyone involved.

  24. pui

    bananas / 9899 posts

    Honestly, I would switch daycares over this.

  25. MrsTiz

    cantaloupe / 6800 posts

    Woah, I can understand nuts..but dairy? My LO eats SO many things that have eggs/dairy in them that I couldn't do that. I am not normally one to say "switch daycares!" but this one I would actually have to switch.

  26. catomd00

    grapefruit / 4418 posts

    @yin: I think people are understanding, but when it's not only a severe inconvenience and hardship on them, but also potentially compromising the nutritional needs of their children that is another thing.

    My co-worker has to do serious research into every product they have in her house. She has spent hours calling manufacturers to confirm which products are made in factories with allergens and which aren't. I'm sorry, but if her child was in my daycare, it would be a cold day in hell before I alter my lifestyle (and start doing that kind of research) to avoid allergens of her child.

    The daycare really should be providing food from this point on if it's that much of a concern. If I were the provider, I wouldn't want that responsibility on my plate and would have to tell them that I couldn't accept their child in my care.

  27. mrbee

    admin / wonderful grape / 20724 posts

    @yin: I would totally be flexible to accommodate a child with allergies! It would've been tough when our kids were younger, because they didn't eat a lot of food as kids and got a lot of calories from milk! We did switch to hemp though, which hopefully wouldn't trigger allergies in another child. Now the kids eat more food, so it'd be a lot easier to adjust.

    I think it's tough for a five person daycare to really know how to handle allergies well... a larger center might be better able to manage food allergies and handle communications with other parents!

  28. looch

    wonderful pear / 26210 posts

    @yin: So, my kid has a diagnosed oral motor issue and is in therapy for it. He can and does eat about 5 things, one of them is peanut butter. It was not allowed at his daycare, so I didn't send it. But tell me now that dairy is not allowed, and I have eliminated another three of his safe foods. I would not be able to simply come up with another feeding plan in the middle of the week, while juggling every other thing going on. As parents, aren't we all trying to do the best for our children? What would you advise me to do in this situation?

  29. Arden

    honeydew / 7589 posts

    Honestly if I had a child with those kind of extreme allergies I'd just assume daycare was off the table and get a nanny or stay at home.

  30. Sapphiresun

    nectarine / 2220 posts

    Thanks for the input. I'm trying really hard to be sensitive about the allergy. I myself developed a pretty severe allergy to shellfish in adulthood, and find that inconvenient at times (I pretty much don't eat anywhere that serves seafood which makes it hard to o to "nice" restaurants).
    Luckily daycare is very close to work so I've just been gung there on my lunch break and feeding LO (still no nuts but dairy/bread) in the car an then wiping her down as best I can, because one day just wasn't enough time to do all the research and shopping required for this switch but that's not really sustainable.

  31. ladybee

    grapefruit / 4079 posts

    @yin: my son is severely allergic to dairy. He was supposed to go to in home day care but pulled him and found a center who follows state and county guidelines and can be more strict.

  32. Lindsay05

    pomegranate / 3759 posts

    @Arden: I agree.

    I would be looking for a different daycare.

  33. Espion

    pomegranate / 3577 posts

    @theotherstark: My college roommate's son had an anaphylactic reaction to dairy when he was around 10 months old. He was so sensitive that her husband could not kiss him on the cheek if he drank coffee with creamer. It apparently can happen, but I'm sure it is more rare.

    If this was my son, I'd be between a serious rock and a hard place. Yogurt, cheese and milk are E's three main food groups. I hate that the poor child has such serious allergies, but on the same token, my son would starve because getting him to eat anything different is a real battle.

  34. Chuckles

    persimmon / 1495 posts

    I might see if the daycare can clarify with the parent which of the allergies are severe/dangerous and must be omitted (probably at least nuts) and if the others are less severe and would be okay as long as the center is careful about supervising (hopefully dairy). This happened when I was a teacher. We got word that a new student would have a severe peanut and dairy allergy, but when talking with the mom, it turned out that the dairy one wasn't as severe and he could at least still be around it.

  35. SugarplumsMom

    bananas / 9227 posts

    I would switch daycares.

  36. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    For those of you saying that if your child had severe allergies, you wouldn't send them to daycare, that must be pretty nice to be able to afford to stay home with them or hire a nanny. Not everyone has that luxury. A nanny in our area would cost over twice as much as our daycare does, and we can't afford to have one of us quit our jobs to stay home with Xander.

    Xander's allergic to dairy. Anaphylactic allergic. If he comes into contact with dairy, he'll break out into hives. We've been to the ER for his allergies and he has an EpiPen at daycare and one we have with us at all times. Finding dairy-free substitutes IS hard.

    But I would never expect his daycare not to allow other children to have dairy. They have it ALL THE TIME. They provide milk for the kids and they provide food for all the children: lunches and snacks. Every month, they give me the menu and I cross off everything Xander can't have and give it back to them. I send hemp milk to the daycare as well as almond yogurt. On days where the lunch is predominately dairy-fill (like mac & cheese), I send an alternative lunch.

    I don't expect the other children not to have dairy while Xander's there. What I DO expect is that whenever food is out, they watch my son like a hawk and ensure that he doesn't get his hands on anything he's not supposed to and that they clean up anything that falls on the floor, so he can't get into it later. Dairy alternatives are EXPENSIVE. It would be unfair to ask other parents to have to burden themselves with buying all dairy free items just because my child is going to the same daycare as theirs.

  37. Kimberlybee

    grapefruit / 4997 posts

    That's a lot of restrictions to work with. I have watched 7 kids before at our church's daycare on many occasions and supervised their meal intake. One child was allergic to nuts and one could not have artificial food coloring. I didn't let them share snacks or drinks all. My eyes were always on them during meals. We sat at the same table, horse shoe kind of table. The babies were in high chairs. It wasn't hard to supervise. I didn't allow snacks to be within their reach. I really think she should be able to supervise their food intake with 5 or 6 kids.

  38. ladybee

    grapefruit / 4079 posts

    @Adira: same same same 100%

  39. Anagram

    eggplant / 11716 posts

    I think this situation is ridiculous. First, if they can't have nuts, seeds, milk, or soy--then even hemp milk would be out (hemp is a seed), and LOs could only have what, Rice milk? Rice milk is not nutritious at all. That would not fly with me.

    My LO is MSPI (intolerant, not allergic) and she goes to a daycare that serves 2 snacks and lunch every day. I go out of my way each day to pack my own 2 snacks and lunch every single day. My LO doesn't eat *anything* her daycare serves, because I don't want to worry about cross contamination.

    The daycare knows she can't have any other foods and they supervise their feedings times. Expecting all the other kids not to have dairy and soy just because my LO can't have it is crazy.

  40. catlady

    grapefruit / 4988 posts

    I would be surprised if all the other parents agreed to do this, especially on such short notice. I have been on pretty much this same diet for LO's MSPI and food sensitivities for the past 9 months or so and it is HARD. I would never, ever expect other parents to make their kids eat this way for us. I feel for the family of the child with allergies, but I think it is way too much of an imposition for the other families. This child is going to have to navigate the world with their allergies at some point. I would expect the daycare to be hypervigilant about the foods that the child comes into contact with but I wonder if this daycare will even be able to stay in business with such restrictions in place.

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