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Do you think parents of allergic kids should help other parents?

  1. yin

    honeydew / 7917 posts

    @catomd00 @looch: Like I said above, I would not ask other parents to put the same restrictions on their kids. The daycare needs to reevaluate and form an allergy action plan. If it's a small in home daycare, it should be easier for them to communicate with each family and share the details of the allergies. It's hard for me to put myself in the shoes of a parent who does not have to deal with food allergies. I was really pushed away from some of the comments and misunderstandings about food allergies and wanted to put it in the perspective of being a parents and having these worries.

  2. yin

    honeydew / 7917 posts

    @mrbee: Thank you for being open and understanding.

  3. yin

    honeydew / 7917 posts

    @Adira: Thank you for pointing out that not everyone can afford to stay home or hire a nanny. It really rubbed me the wrong way. Just because our kids have food allergies, we can't shelter them from the world. Yes, it can be very dangerous at times, but we do our best to keep them safe. We have to be their advocates and teach them how to deal with the food challenges that they face.

  4. meganmp

    persimmon / 1420 posts

    while the parents of the child with allergies need to do what is best for their child, so do all the other parents. If it is not best for their children to be on a severely restricted diet then changes need to be made, be that what they are for the family. It is not imposing on the parents of the child with allergies if I decide to find a different day care situation for my child, nor is it being insensitive to anyone's needs. In fact, it is the opposite. I am being sensitive to the needs of my own child, which is what I should focus on first and foremost.

  5. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @yin: It rubbed me the wrong way too. It's a luxury to be able to afford to stay home with your children or hire a nanny for them so you can 100% control what foods they are around, but most people really can't afford that! I'd love to be able to protect Xander from all the dairy in the world, but I can't. All I can do is make sure his teachers are educated about his allergy and what to do in an emergency and how they can better protect him from accidental exposure!

  6. LovelyPlum

    eggplant / 11408 posts

    @yin: @Adira: when it comes to school aged children, I do agree-schools have to be safe. When it comes to daycare, I wonder if there might be a better placement for the allergic child-one that has the resources to better handle the situation. It seems to me as if the daycare is not well prepared for this type of severe allergies.

  7. Cherrybee

    papaya / 10570 posts

    This is a bit of a toughie, huh?

    Personally, I think the real issue is the way in which the daycare has handled it. It sounds to me like they're scared (rightly so), way out of their depth and making knee-jerk reactions. One days notice is appalling!!

    In response to your question, I do think that the child's parents are the best people to support the other parents to make the changes, without compromising nutrition etc. But ultimately it's the daycares responsibility and to be fair they have probably told the child's parents that they have it all under control.......

    I'm not sure that simply asking all the other parents not to bring certain foods without putting a full plan in place - and educating/supporting the other parents to do their bit - really goes far enough to protect the child with allergies..... and one days notice to research, learn and prepare.... agh! This is life and death stuff!

    I'd be looking for a new daycare but not for the reasons others have mentioned....

  8. JMOM

    apricot / 420 posts

    @Adira: @yin: Thanks for your perspective on this, I don't have kids with allergies so it is hard to understand it from your side. I think the thing that most annoyed me when I originally read this post was that the daycare gave them one days notice to make all these changes. That is unreasonable. I hope the OP is able to get more info about what food is safe from the daycare or the parents. It must be a hard place to be in, to want to want to do what is best for your child without causing harm to another.

  9. lady grey

    pear / 1696 posts

    @Sapphiresun: Wow that a lot of restrictions!! I definitely think they should have given you more time to adjust your lunches and grocery shopping. And I definitely think you should contact the daycare to ask the allergic child's parents for food ideas. They would probably be happy to give you all a list of ideas.

    I take LO to a toddler class at our local co-op preschool and the parents have to provide snacks to share. We can't do dairy or wheat due to allergies in the class, so here are some ideas, at least for snack type stuff:
    cut up fruit & veggies, canned beans, tortilla chips, rice chex, corn chex, olives, freeze dried fruit or pea crisps, rice crackers, guacamole. I was going to say gluten/dairy free bread with hummus but that has sesame seeds in it, so how about with refried beans??

  10. jedeve

    pomegranate / 3643 posts

    @Adira: it's not always a luxury to be able to stay at home. Daycare costs were pretty much what I was earning when #2 came along!

    My LO has a peanut and dairy allergy. When he was in daycare, I was pretty nervous. One time a teacher asked me if he was allergic to peanuts or just peanut butter. My FIL asked if he could still have butter. If I were to send him back to daycare, I would probably just pack his food. It sucks having to trust someone else to feed your kid.

    But I would expect the daycare to at least watch what he ate and clean up well after meals. He needs to learn (the earlier the better) that he can't share food with people.

  11. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    Honestly, I am surprised a small in home daycare would take on the liability of such a high needs restrictive child. It's just too much for a small daycare. I wouldn't be happy with the one day notice, the communication method, or extra expense our family would occur due to the special foods needed. I feel for ya-I would be massive upset if this happened in our in home!

  12. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @LovelyPlum: I agree that it sounds like this particular daycare doesn't know how to deal with severe allergies, but I would expect most centers to be able to deal with them!

    @jedeve: I didn't mean to imply that staying home is ALWAYS a luxury. Sometimes people have to because they just can't afford not to. I was more of referring to the people that were saying "Oh, if my kid had severe allergies, I'd just stay home with them or hire a nanny" like that decision doesn't have huge financial implications!

    @blackbird: I actually would think an in-home daycare would be even better at handling allergies than a large center! Then they'd only have a small number of children and meals to deal with. They could even set up a separate eating space for the child with allergies in order to avoid them coming into contact with their allergens. I would think it's harder at a center where there are dozens of children and teachers switching in and out of rooms all the time.

  13. LovelyPlum

    eggplant / 11408 posts

    @Adira: honestly, I didn't interpret those comments in that way. I actually wondered something similar, that if your child had so many severe allergies that daycare wouldnt really be an option. To me, that isn't a luxury but acknowledging that daycares are by their nature communal spaces that are hard to have complete control over, despite the best of intentions. To me, that isn't saying, you can't send your kid to daycare! Rather, it is considering what is in the best interest of the child and how much risk you are willing to expose them to. I don't necessarily mean this for one or two allergies, but this case sounds more extreme than that. I personally can't imagine being comfortable with sending a child with so many restrictions anywhere near a place that serves so much food daily, when I couldn't control it.

  14. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @LovelyPlum: I guess I don't understand what you're saying. Are you saying that you think it's unreasonable for a parent with child with severe food allergies to expect a daycare to be able to handle them appropriately? I'm honestly not sure what we would do if we couldn't trust a daycare to watch Xander. We have no local family to watch him. We can't afford a nanny. We can't afford to stay home with him. What other options are there?? We're fortunate (????) that Xander is only severely allergic to one item (that we know of - we haven't introduced him to many other known allergens because we're scared to), but still, it's MILK - one of the most common ingredients and drinks for toddlers. It's so hard to avoid, but I expect my daycare to ensure my son doesn't come into contact with it even while they are providing it for the other toddlers in his class.

  15. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    @Adira: yeah it really depends how the daycare is set up. The kids eat at one table in our daycare and there's only one person in charge. If something did happen, there's only one adult...which could be a problem. Our lady provides all the food, though, so I don't care what she feeds the kids since I know it is nutritious

  16. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @blackbird: Our daycare center is the same way. All the kids eat together at one table and there's one person watching 4-5 toddlers. The daycare also provides food, so she has to ensure that she only serves Xander the items he's allowed to have. I expect that she sits next to Xander while they are eating to ensure that he doesn't get a hold of anything he shouldn't. It's also a center, so if she needs help for whatever reason, there ARE other teachers around, so maybe that makes it easier than a home center? Though I would think a home daycare could easily change their eating setup to accommodate a child with allergies. I also wouldn't expect a home daycare to provide different food for my child - I would send in alternatives just like I do with my center.

  17. blackbird

    wonderful grape / 20453 posts

    @Adira: yeah I get that. I think the kicker is expecting all the parents to send special food now because of one kid. I realize it removes the contamination issue but it isn't very reasonable when you look at everything like the short notification. If it was my business, I simply wouldn't take such a child

  18. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @blackbird: Oh, I agree. I don't think the daycare should expect all the other parents to adhere to the restrictions of one child. I wouldn't expect that for my child either. It sounds like this particular daycare doesn't know how to handle a child with severe allergies and doesn't want to be responsible for watching them like a hawk to protect them from the other kid's food. Though I imagine the parents of the child with the allergies were told that the daycare would eliminate all the potential allergens, which is why they decided to send their child there in the first place!

  19. LovelyPlum

    eggplant / 11408 posts

    @Adira: I will have to think on how to articulate myself better. I was just thinking that if it were me, there would probably come a point at which I would consider my child's restrictions too much for a daycare to take on. For example, if G were to have an allergy to airborne milk particles. I don't think I would feel comfortable telling her whole daycare of 200 kids they couldn't bring in milk because of my child. For me personally, that is a line at which we would have to consider other childcare arrangements
    . For what it is worth, we have no family in the area and couldn't afford to stay home, either, so that would be a really hard decision.

    I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to trust daycare to take care of your child. I am saying that there are some things that daycare is probably not as good at handling as other childcare providers, and maybe there comes a point.at which food allergies cross into that category.

  20. Adira

    wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts

    @LovelyPlum: I don't know much about other food allergies, but as far as milk allergies go, I think they are generally not airborne like a peanut allergy can be (which is why peanuts often are banned from schools and daycares and other allergens are not). I'm honestly not sure what I would do if that was the case for us, but I think it's easier said than done to say "I would stay home with him" or something similar. I wasn't trying to imply that's not ever an option or it can't be the right option, just that it's insensitive to imply that parents who DON'T just stay home with their child or hire a nanny are being irresponsible in some way. I hope that makes sense.

    I wish we knew more about this child's allergies. Are they all airborne or is the daycare just trying to play it safe and avoid all the allergens, even though it might not be completely necessary (obviously it's necessary to keep the allergic child out of contact with their allergens, but maybe not necessary to keep the allergens out of the home completely).

  21. Mrs Spoon

    kiwi / 603 posts

    I would not be ok with this. It's ruling out a lot of common foods for kids and puts a huge stress on the other parents. Not to mention the idea if trying to figure out a balanced diet around these restrictions. I get the concern, but the caregivers should be watching this kid closely to make sure this kid is not ingesting the forbidden foods, not putting the responsibility on the other parents.

  22. Kemma

    grapefruit / 4291 posts

    This is SUCH a difficult situation for all the parties involved but I do think that the daycare hasn't handled it particularly well. I don't have any experience dealing with allergies but at what point do the daycare's demands go beyond what can be reasonably expected of the other parents? At what point does the health if the other attendees become less of a priority than the "allergic" child?

    @LovelyPlum: I get what you're saying, is a daycare facility the best place for a child who is at such a level of risk?

    @Adira: I would imagine that a bigger centre would have better access to resources surrounding dealing with allergies.

  23. pastemoo

    cantaloupe / 6146 posts

    I am not ok with this and would find a new daycare. I am not comfortable with giving my son a milk substitute. Unless the daycare starts doing meals, this would be too much work for me and not worth my time.
    FWIW, I hate the school my son goes to that makes me bring lunch and I love the school that feeds him. What a pain.

  24. lucy123

    cherry / 186 posts

    Allergies are definitely no joke, but expecting other parents to switch their child's diet, milk intake, etc on limited notice is just crazy. As a parent, I would definitely try to accommodate allergies to the extent possible, toddlers are picky and most nights I don't have time to go to the grocery stores to pick up hemp milk. This should be a sit down meeting with all families involved!

  25. SugarplumsMom

    bananas / 9227 posts

    I agree with pp that the daycare isn't handling the situation very well. I believe it's up to the daycare to provide all the information and not the parent. They are the ones entrusted with the well-being of the all the children in their care. That responsibility comes with providing ample time to prep all parents of the changes, and enough time for them to find an alternate daycare if they're uncomfortable with those changes.

    I do not think it's the new parent's responsibility to coordinate food alternatives. Parents of children with allergies shouldn't have to feel bad about anything -- but if you're the daycare provider, being paid by all parents involved, then the burden is on you, imo.

    Not everyone can accommodate so many allergies. But if they agreed to it, then they should be able to handle the new responsibilities it brings.

    Having said that, I would not feel comfortable and choose an alternate daycare.

  26. catomd00

    grapefruit / 4418 posts

    @Adira: while I realize it's not easy to just say my kid has allergies I will have to stay home, I do believe when we decide to have children we have to be prepared for certain unknowns. You don't know if your child will have severe allergies or have (or develop) a disability or illness that requires special, 24/7 care. As a parent it is your responsibility to figure out how to make it work to provide adequate, safe care for your child (without placing the burden on others in my opinion but that's probably debatable by many others).

    Uktimately I think it's up to the daycare to resolve this situation and make it a place that is safe, healthy and convenient for everyone involved.

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