GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
I find the mentality of "my body, my choice" to be very interesting. Yes, it absolutely is the mother's body. But it's also the baby's nutrition. And the baby belongs to both parents. I don't think a dad shouldn't get a vote in how his baby is fed just because he's not physically capable of breastfeeding.
honeydew / 7295 posts
Both parents have a say but no one can over rule the other so compromise is the only way. I day weaned for my hubby because I knew my son was not ready to fully wean. I would live to cut out all but two feelings but my husband has to help me night wean if he wants that to happen quickly because the three nights I tried just ended up all night screaming and screwed up my sons sleep and I got NO sleep. It shouldn't all fall on or be up to one parent. Also I kind of hate how puritanical our society is about breastfeeding. In many other cultures nursing a toddler is not considered extended breastfeeding. People need to stop judging on both sides of this issue.
squash / 13764 posts
I definitely think the dad should have a say/his opinion should matter, but I don't think it should matter more than the mom's.DH definitely is in favor of EBFing and is totally fine with me continuing to nurse now at 16 months; I think he'd be fine with it til 2, or maybe even beyond? I think just getting to 1 was important to him, as it was to me, so anything beyond that he doesn't have much of an opinion on.
@MamaMoose: wow! she was a total boobaholic right? So was it easier than you thought?
squash / 13208 posts
@MamaMoose: So if you wanted to formula feed and your DH said no way you're going to BF (or vice versa) - what would you do?
squash / 13764 posts
@MamaMoose: but I think BECAUSE the responsibility falls on the mom, it is unfair for the dad to make the decision for them. I do agree that his opinion should be considered, all other things being equal (i.e. there are no extenuating circumstances that make breastfeeding or formula feeding difficult or impossible).
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@MamaMoose: I absolutely agree. I don't think just because it's MY body that DH shouldn't get a choice in what happens with HIS child's nutrition.
@Mamaof2: I think then we talk about it and try to reach a compromise. But I certainly wouldn't immediately disregard his opinion on HIS child's nutrition just because it is MY body.
cantaloupe / 6751 posts
@MamaMoose: Exactly, agree w/you 150%.
We discussed BF-ing like we did any other parenting issue and made a decision together, taking into account all the different factors and issues involved.
In the early days, I was having a really hard BF-ing (mastitis 3X, thrush for 6 weeks, constant bleeding/sore/cracked nipples). He has always expressed his wishes that I BF until age 1, because that's what he thought was better for LO, but we talked about everything together and I told him I wasn't sure how much longer I could go on. We decided that if things didn't get better by X day, we would switch over to formula. Thankfully, it got a million times better after 6 weeks and I managed to EBF and BF until she was almost 2.
We discussed when we would start the weaning process. He preferred that we wean by age 2, whereas I wanted to let LO decide when to stop. Again, we discussed the issue together and talked everything over, and decided jointly that the best decision for us was to let LO decide when she was done. That ended up being right before she turned 2.
I definitely don't see this as "my body, my decision." It might be *my* body, but it's *our* child and like any other decision we make about her, we make it *together*, taking into account each other's opinions, beliefs, and feelings. I would be so hurt if there was something only *he* could provide to our child, and he told me I had absolutely no say in the matter because it didn't physically involve my body. All (major) decisions are made together, after deliberation and open communication. I find that's what works the best for our family.
bananas / 9118 posts
If it were only me in the picture, then I would have full say- but my husband shares child care days and night shifts, so he has input since how we feed our son affects him too.
Yes, we agreed to reevaluate and compromise after the 1 year point which was the original goal since we didn't know what to expect with our first. I was open to going to 2, but he preferred weaning sooner, we settled on 18 months and it ended up being a great decision for us. His bond skyrocketed with our son after weaning and I ended up loving the freedom. We'll probably try to follow the same plan with our second.
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@pinkcupcake: " I would be so hurt if there was something only *he* could provide to our child, and he told me I had absolutely no say in the matter because it didn't physically involve my body. "
Exactly. +1
cantaloupe / 6885 posts
No, because there is a viable alternative (formula). EPing was my decision, it required my time and my body. I decided when I was done EPing and he was very supportive throughout the whole process.
cantaloupe / 6687 posts
@pinkcupcake: @locavore_mama: completely agree - our child and therefore we make decisions together. Obviously I didn't marry someone who was going to be a dictator and demand I BF or not BF...we discussed it and agreed we both wanted that for our baby and did our best to make it happen. When I had trouble with my milk coming in he went out and bought the pump I wanted, a new BF pillow even though we had one already, ordered boxes of mothers milk tea and would make it for me...he got my pump ready after each feeding and cleaned pump parts bc it's what we both wanted. Weaning was a nonissue for us bc LO was pretty much ready on her own at 14 months. But we talked about that process to make sure we were on the same page
GOLD / wonderful coconut / 33402 posts
@MamaMoose: While I do agree the child's nutrition is a concern for both parents. I still think the woman gets a little more vote in the matter. Especially since I am the one getting up in the middle night for every feeding, up in the morning while he gets to sleep in, having to be home for every bedtime, taking time from work to pump, BF in public when out (when I am not comfortable with it), etc.
That being said if DH was against formula I would have listened to his points about it. Then we would have had to work out a compromise if he really wanted me to continue to BF.
nectarine / 2771 posts
DH's opinion matters, but I have final say. Why? Because breastfeeding falls 100% on me. There's nothing he can do outside of support me. It's not like other parenting decisions where we are both equally involved, or even if there's a split 70/30 involvement. Nope, it's 100% on me, and for us, DH sees that and ultimately was willing to go with what I wanted. If I wanted to wean early, nurse longer, not pump, whatever. His opinion definitely mattered, but he would support me in whatever decision i wanted. I equate breastfeeding to labor - sure, it's OUR baby but she's getting pushed out of ME. I know my body best for what I could handle, and I knew I wanted a medicated birth. DH was supportive of whatever I wanted and he would have never said oh, you have to go med-free. It's not up to him and he recognized that.
pomegranate / 3350 posts
He thinks we should be done but also understands that it's just not that easy so he is not pushy about it. He is not the one getting DS to bed or dealing with the 5:30 or 6 am wake ups where the only thing DS wants is to nurse so really it's not showing me that he is that concerned about it.
honeydew / 7303 posts
My dh could care less! He just wanted what was easiest and best for me.
pomegranate / 3983 posts
This is interesting. As far as extended BF and weaning I think that's pretty much my decision because it's my body. If it were up to DH my toddler would have been weaned before the baby was born, but as it stands tandem nursing was a good option for us, and he won't argue with me over the nutritional/immunological benefits, so when I wean will probably be up to me. As far as should a baby be Bf of ff from the get go, I do think dad should have an opinion.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@MamaMoose: I agree 100% with @Smurfette: regarding the mom has a little more say because she's the one putting in the "work". Especially in terms of whether to CONTINUE breastfeeding or not.
When Xander was 6 weeks, I was having a really tough time breastfeeding. To the point where I would cry every time I had to feed him and basically hated being a mother. I wanted to quit, so much so that I went out a bought some formula to have on hand. When my husband came home from work after a particularly difficult day for me, I told him my concerns and basically sobbed to him about how hard it was and how I didn't think I could keep going.
My husband, a normally very easy-going and supportive guy, had had "breast is best" so ingrained in him, that he completely turned on me. He told me I was selfish for even considering stopping breastfeeding and that I needed to continue for the benefit of our son, regardless of the consequences to my own physical, mental, or emotional well-being.
I'm curious what you (advocates of the dad having equal say) think should be the outcome of such circumstances. In a situation where someone must "win" and someone must "lose" (as in, someone is very pro-breastfeeding and the other wants to quit), how do you "compromise" when someone will get their way and the other won't? And why shouldn't it be the person who's being physically (and mentally and emotionally) affected by the act be the one who gets to make the final decision?
cantaloupe / 6692 posts
No but not that I wouldn't listen to him if he expressed concern or interest. When we discussed it he just agreed to let me do what I feel is right. I told him I want to at least make it to 1 year and would go to 2 before I would try and wean if DS didn't wean on his own before then. Most likely it would only be a morning and night session by then anyway.
apricot / 444 posts
@yerpie110: well said. In my case, his opinion matters, I guess... but really only because his opinion is premised on the idea that it's up to me. He knows that I understand the costs and the benefits of breast-feeding, and trusts me to make decisions that are best for both baby and myself (and, perhaps to a lesser extent, our family as a whole). He knows that I will weigh those things against one another and choose accordingly. But it really isn't up to him, much like labor or my staying at home.
GOLD / wonderful pomegranate / 28905 posts
@Smurfette: @Adira: personally, I'm not saying at all that the mother does not get a bit more say. Of course I do! I'm the one pumping 2-3x a day in a freaking bathroom. I'm the one waking up every hour on the hour to BF her because she was a crap sleeper. But if I wanted to give up and he felt very strongly about the nutritional benefits she will receive via BFing versus formula. Then I absolutely would think about it and likely try my darndest to go as long as I can.
My issue is with the blanket statement of "my body, my choice". That just because it's my body my husband gets no say whatsoever in the nutrition of his child. That to us, personally, is not fair. And I understand every couple works differently hence my question. But it's certainly not how our relationship works.
And I have to disagree that it's a win or lose situation. A compromise would be supplementing.
coconut / 8234 posts
DH is very supportive of breastfeeding. We discussed it and originally we said age 1 but LO is almost 2 and she still nurses at night. He has expressed to me that he would've liked me to wean a little earlier but I told him that if he wants me to then he needs to handle night time and that was that! Haha. I listen to his input, but ultimately on this I have the final say.
wonderful pomelo / 30692 posts
@locavore_mama: Thank you for your clarification. I definitely agree that the dad should get an opinion and that the mom should taking their opinion into consideration when making a decision!
GOLD / wonderful coconut / 33402 posts
@locavore_mama: I do agree with that if my DH felt super strong about me continuing to BF, then I would have had thought about it more. But luckily for me he was fine with formula and told me that it was 100% my choice.
squash / 13764 posts
@locavore_mama: but supplementing can be a slippery slope that can sometimes (not always!) lead to a mom losing her supply...or at least decreasing it.
I think if supplementation is introduced because the mom doesn't really want to bf but the dad wants her to, that just seems unfair...why should she have to do anything with her body that she doesn't want to, you know? It's one thing if the child is harmed by her decision, but obviously formula is not harmful at all! Ultimately it's going to be the mom who puts in 99% of the actual work of breast feeding, just because of the nature of breastfeeding, so I think it's fair that her opinion counts more (although again, I think DH's opinion should be understood and considered!).
persimmon / 1198 posts
He has left it up to me. He has always said he would support whatever I choose. He also knows how important breastfeeding is to me and has been really supportive so far (LO is due in a couple weeks).
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
@hilsy85: It totally was! I basically just started refusing to nurse at night. I also wouldn't pick her up at night. But I didn't make her cry by herself. I sat her in room and sang to her and patted her bum, etc. We had two REALLY awful nights and then that was it. She learned that it wasn't happening during the night any more. For another week after that I would nurse her at bed time, but her down awake, sing/pat for 10-15 until she was asleep, and then she would sleep all night. So at the beginning of this week hubs took over bed time. No boob, no bottle, just in the crib awake. She goes to sleep even faster for him and doesn't even cry for me!
GOLD / wonderful pea / 17697 posts
When we were still TTC D didn't think I should BF at all! At that point, I DID say "my body, my choice", but he came around fiercely by the time I was pregnant (in help from an old LC friend of his, as well as lots of discussions of the benefits).
As for weaning, he wanted me to wean by 2, but if E wasn't ready and I wasn't ready he would have gone along with it. E's nutrition and my feelings on the matter carried a greater weight to *him*, although I definitely would have given his feelings a great consideration.
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
@Mamaof2: If I wanted to formula feed right off the bat but it was important to my husband that LO get breastmilk then yes I would absolutely at least give it a try. Now, if it was really miserable for me and I had an awful experience I don't think it would be fair for him to push, but I know my husband never would. It's difficult for me to really look at it from that perspective though because breastfeeding was really important to me and I stuck it out despite a really challenging experience and my husband telling me that even though we both felt strongly about breastfeeding that he would totally support me if I wanted to stop because of the sacrafices I was having to make (extremely restrictive diet due to food intolerances, pumping at work, etc).
GOLD / squash / 13464 posts
@hilsy85: Is it weird that I want to take a bunch of cold medicine just because I can???
squash / 13764 posts
@MamaMoose: hahaha not at all!! You're not a slave to the boobs anymore!! I am excited for that day
GOLD / watermelon / 14076 posts
@MamaMoose: Oh I love reading about how relatively easy it was for you. My M is a total boobaholic, too, and I am already worried about weaning. Glad it went well for y'all.
cantaloupe / 6751 posts
@Adira: I definitely don't think it's fair of your husband to have that mentality. In that situation, what I personally think would be fair is sitting down and having a heart-to-heart about the matter. He explains how important BF-ing is to him, you explain the difficulties/challenges you are going through. Then, you work out a solution (or compromise) that works for everyone. I would hope that if it were me and my husband, he would understand and be supportive of how much pain I was in and tell me that even though BF-ing was important to me, my health and sanity were more important to him (This is actually the exact situation we went through)
papaya / 10473 posts
My husband is super supportive of breastfeeding, and actually kept me from quitting in the early days when it was really hard. Not that he forced me to keep at it, but he was the encouragement I needed. He's left the decision of when to wean after age 1 up to me - he truly doesn't have an opinion either way.
cantaloupe / 6751 posts
@MamaMoose: "Now, if it was really miserable for me and I had an awful experience I don't think it would be fair for him to push, but I know my husband never would." --> exactly! My husband wouldn't force me to do anything I didn't feel comfortable with.
"Is it weird that I want to take a bunch of cold medicine just because I can???" - um, no! I took NyQuil three nights in a row (even though I felt better after the second night) just b/c I could and I love NyQuil-induced sleep
apricot / 461 posts
DH pretty much just respects what I'd like to do because its my body, time, and energy. So he has a say, but he would ultimately respect whatever my decisions were about the bf'ing timeline for LO.
apricot / 444 posts
@hilsy85: "It's one thing if the child is harmed by her decision, but obviously formula is not harmful at all!" Indeed.
honeydew / 7589 posts
We discussed it before she was born and agreed that I'd offer it to her until age 2, but after that never refuse if she asks. We both believe in self weaning.
If I chose to wean her at two though, he'd probably try to talk me out of it but in the end he'd be okay with it.
hostess / wonderful honeydew / 32460 posts
We talked about it before our kids were born and agreed that I would nurse until 2 years. DD went for 28 months, and DS self weaned at 10.5 months! I pumped for 1.5 months and stopped on his 1st birthday.
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